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2007-02-23 2:43 PM
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Use my HR monitor every workout.


2007-02-23 3:11 PM
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Since I don't have any experience with one, how do you use it? Meaning, what do you do once you know what the reading is? If your HR is lower than you want, do you exert yourself more? Or if it's too high, do you lighten up?

I had been thinking of getting the Forerunner 305, but truthfully I was thinking of it more for the GPS and mileage info rather than the Heart Rate info.

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2007-02-23 3:21 PM
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The point of a heart rate monitor is to tell you if you are pushing yourself hard enough or too hard.  When you are planning your workouts, you should have an idea how difficult your workouts should be.  Some of your workouts should be easy (recovery and endurance), some should be intense (tempo, intervals, hills) and some should be in the middle (maintenance and endurance).  Your heart rate is directly related to how hard you are working.  When planning your workouts using a HRM, you should know what your target heart rate zone is.  That ensures that you are getting the workout you should be.

A HRM will also tell you if you are dehydrated - when you don't drink enough, your heart rate spikes, and it won't come down.  It can also tell you if you are overtraining (resting heart rate).

I have found my HRM to be extrememly helpful when training....especially on tempo runs (which are difficult when you first start doing them).  It is also great to know if I am not getting enough water.

Garmins are cool toys to have....I just have a Polar HRM though.  It doesn't have all the cool bells and whistles.

2007-02-23 3:22 PM
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willie05 - 2007-02-23 3:11 PM If your HR is lower than you want, do you exert yourself more? Or if it's too high, do you lighten up?

Exactly.

2007-02-23 3:24 PM
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triOK - 2007-02-23 4:21 PM

It can also tell you if you are overtraining (resting heart rate).

Can you elaborate on that?  If you are overtraining, does your resting heart rate stay high? 

2007-02-23 4:02 PM
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erjellum - 2007-02-23 3:24 PM
triOK - 2007-02-23 4:21 PM

It can also tell you if you are overtraining (resting heart rate).

Can you elaborate on that?  If you are overtraining, does your resting heart rate stay high? 

Yes.  A good way to test it - wear your HRM overnight and look at the avg in the morning.  If it is above what it *should* be, then you are overtraining...which we all know is VERY VERY bad.

I am not hardcore enough to wear it overnight, but I will leave my strap on my nightstand and put it on in the morning and crawl back in bed for an hour or so.  That reading is good enough for me.

Your resting HR is a good indication of your fitness level...the lower the better.  A high RHR is bad...you need water and a day or two or three off.



2007-02-23 5:32 PM
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Robyn is right on the money.  But let me elaborate a bit more.  People tend to train in an area where they are not going hard enough to get anerobic work in, but too fast to get aerobic benefit.  And also, in this area you don't get enough recovery on a day to day basis.  A HRM allows you to stay in the areas where you are going to get the full benefit of the workout. 

If you need base work, it makes sure you stay in the aerobic zone and if you're doing intervals, it makes sure you are working hard enough to get the benefit of the hard work.  You have to remember that 95% of your 'gain' is made when you are recovering from your workout.  If you don't recover enough or don't push yourself enough, you won't gain as much.

HR fluctuates with dehydration and is an indication of over-training.  Like I can tell if I haven't recovered from a race because I'll go for an easy run and my HR will be in the zone of a medium run.  But that comes with experience and knowing your HR zones.

In short, a HRM is a cheap ($50 max) way to make sure you are working your body efficiently and effectively.  There are tons of add-ons like a foot pod or GPS, but all you need is something that tells you how fast your heart is beating.

Some people can go on Perceived Effort, but that takes a lot of experience in my opinion.  A HRM is a great guide and I highly recommend it. 

2007-02-23 9:09 PM
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I use the Timex HRM that also has gps and an altimeter. It cost $270, but I got it for free by buying it with my "uniform allowance" from the Police Department. I do use it during my runs and bike rides. I find that I usually train above my zone. I hate slowing myself down, but I know that is what I have to do to complete an endurance race. I have read that a person should use different zones for different disciplines (bike/run). How much of a difference should there be between the zones? For example, if my aerobic heart rate for running is 149-159, what should my aerobic heart rate be for biking?

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2007-02-24 1:09 AM
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Read this post to find your zones for running, biking and swimming.

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp...
2007-02-24 7:40 AM
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i have a HRM but have not been using it. i hadn't used it since last year and when i recently tried to start using it again it wouldn't work. i have put new batteries in it and pushed the reset button indide the chest strap a hundred times and still nothing.

does anyone have any ideas what might be causing this? it is a timex unit that i bought for ~$100 last year. it has some bells and whistles but is definitely not as full blown as others can be.

for some reason the chest strap just does not want to talk to the watch or vice versa.
2007-02-24 9:59 AM
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firstriguy - 2007-02-23 9:09 PM I use the Timex HRM that also has gps and an altimeter. It cost $270, but I got it for free by buying it with my "uniform allowance" from the Police Department. I do use it during my runs and bike rides. I find that I usually train above my zone. I hate slowing myself down, but I know that is what I have to do to complete an endurance race. I have read that a person should use different zones for different disciplines (bike/run). How much of a difference should there be between the zones? For example, if my aerobic heart rate for running is 149-159, what should my aerobic heart rate be for biking? Thanks, aaron

How are you determining your training zone?

You need to do a Lactate Threshold test to determine where your LT is.  Your Zone 2 endurance training pace should be around 80% of your LT.  You should do a LT test for both running AND biking since they will be different.  I usually don't ride with my HRM, although I know I should.  I don't usually have a probably with cycling endurance.

The link that Cash posted about will tell you EVERYTHING you need to know about heart rate training zones.



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2007-02-25 7:30 PM
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How is everyone doing?  Lots of training this weekend, I hope!

Let's have it...training pledges for the third and final week of the challenge.  I will post the percentages tomorrow morning when I get to work.

2007-02-25 8:10 PM
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I'm going to shoot for 9 this week.
2007-02-25 8:46 PM
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This week has been a little bit of a downer for me. However, I'll be back on the ball next week. Setting the goal at 5.5 hours this time.
2007-02-25 9:15 PM
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I slacked this week. My girlfriend's father died. YUCK! I will try for five hours this week...
2007-02-25 9:20 PM
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7.5 again of aerobic and weights


2007-02-25 10:56 PM
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Gator, sorry to hear about your loss.
2007-02-26 6:18 AM
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firstriguy - 2007-02-23 10:09 PM I use the Timex HRM that also has gps and an altimeter. It cost $270, but I got it for free by buying it with my "uniform allowance" from the Police Department. I do use it during my runs and bike rides. I find that I usually train above my zone. I hate slowing myself down, but I know that is what I have to do to complete an endurance race. I have read that a person should use different zones for different disciplines (bike/run). How much of a difference should there be between the zones? For example, if my aerobic heart rate for running is 149-159, what should my aerobic heart rate be for biking? Thanks, aaron

Aaron,

First things first, you can not compare your HR to someone else's.  It's totally apples and oranges.  For example.  One guy I run with his Race pace HR is in the 130's.  Mine is in the 170's.  When we are runnning 'normally', he's in the 110 - 120 range and the top of my Z1 is 149.  So it's truely a personal thing. 

That link Cash gave is a great resource, but it's a bit overwhelming.  Basically, if you want to determine your zones for running, do this:  find a flat place where you can run for 30 minutes continuous.  Start by running at a moderate pace for 10 min.  Then at the 10 min mark hit  your lap counter and go as hard as you can maintain for 20 min.  The key is maintain for 20 min.  You HR average for the 20 min is your Lactate Threshold.  Put that number into the BT zones which is to the left of your logs and it will calculate your zones for you.

Bike LT is basically a 40K time trial and you do the same thing in regards to HR average.  But 'in general' it will be 10-12 beats LOWER than your run LT.  Again...in general!!

2007-02-26 6:20 AM
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schultzboy - 2007-02-24 8:40 AM i have a HRM but have not been using it. i hadn't used it since last year and when i recently tried to start using it again it wouldn't work. i have put new batteries in it and pushed the reset button indide the chest strap a hundred times and still nothing. does anyone have any ideas what might be causing this? it is a timex unit that i bought for ~$100 last year. it has some bells and whistles but is definitely not as full blown as others can be. for some reason the chest strap just does not want to talk to the watch or vice versa.

Did you buy the HR strap and watch together?  If so, then you should just be able to send in the chest strap and they will repair it.  Polar has a great fix it policy.  It cost like $20.  If you didn't buy them together, then they might not be coded to read off of each other.  Just a thought for you.

2007-02-26 7:13 AM
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I have a couple early morning meetings this week that are going to mess me up. The plan I'm on has a slight reduction in bike time this week anyway as a sort of rest week.

I'll be on 4 hours this week.

2007-02-26 10:33 AM
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5.5 again.... this week for sure


2007-02-27 11:23 AM
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triOK's Group:

No Mercy:  88.5%

kbkav:  100%

firstriguy:  100%

poke4christ:  30.2%

erjellum:  100%

gator22:  90.7%

tyroneNYC:  100%

willie05:  100%

shultzboy:  60.0%

gc150:  100%

Marvarnett's Group:

starcorp:  100%

mcole158:  94.5%

Cashmason:  100%

Marvarnett:  73.2% <----I hope you are feeling better!

Great job everyone!  Last week of the challenge so keep it up! 



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2007-02-27 11:51 AM
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Well, first things first. Last week sucked, and I'm not going to try to hide it. It was partially getting busy, but it was also affected by laziness. However, I think I'm well on my way to fixing that this week. I've allready got 2.25 hours in and I've got a good run planed with a friend for tomorrow. Don't give up on me guys, my commitment to doing the Olympic distance in June is solid.

Next, there's been a lot of talk about HR monitors and I saw someone mention the Garmin Forerunner 305. This unit, along with the Edge 305 cycling computer, is bringing about a new revolution in training. It is insane how much you can do with these. You can actually plan out your entire event and how hard you want to go (based on HR) and when you want to do it. It will tell you when you are in the zone and when you are falling out or going too hard. You can also record the data and download it on to your computer to review your workouts. You can review charts that graph your HR, Speed, Elevation, and I think grade (not sure about this one) all in the time of your run. You can even map out the paths you took in Google Earth and a few other programs. These units are the beginning of the training log revolution. Can you imagine a better way to track your workouts?

Sorry if my geekiness is showing here. That's kind of unavoidable as an Electrical Engineer. I'm currently nearing Graduation and one possibility for myself is actually working for Garmin. They're main offices are located just outside Kansas City (not too far from me). Now that would be a cool job.
2007-02-27 2:22 PM
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poke4christ - 2007-02-27 12:51 PM

Well, first things first. Last week sucked, and I'm not going to try to hide it. It was partially getting busy, but it was also affected by laziness. However, I think I'm well on my way to fixing that this week. I've allready got 2.25 hours in and I've got a good run planed with a friend for tomorrow. Don't give up on me guys, my commitment to doing the Olympic distance in June is solid.

Next, there's been a lot of talk about HR monitors and I saw someone mention the Garmin Forerunner 305. This unit, along with the Edge 305 cycling computer, is bringing about a new revolution in training. It is insane how much you can do with these. You can actually plan out your entire event and how hard you want to go (based on HR) and when you want to do it. It will tell you when you are in the zone and when you are falling out or going too hard. You can also record the data and download it on to your computer to review your workouts. You can review charts that graph your HR, Speed, Elevation, and I think grade (not sure about this one) all in the time of your run. You can even map out the paths you took in Google Earth and a few other programs. These units are the beginning of the training log revolution. Can you imagine a better way to track your workouts?

Sorry if my geekiness is showing here. That's kind of unavoidable as an Electrical Engineer. I'm currently nearing Graduation and one possibility for myself is actually working for Garmin. They're main offices are located just outside Kansas City (not too far from me). Now that would be a cool job.
I'm a EE (at least used to be) as well.

I'll be happy to be included as a testor for any products for you!

Glad to see your getting back on schedule with the training.

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2007-02-28 7:31 AM
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I have one of the TIMEX gps time+distance units (minus HR monitor unfortunately). I scored it on the same free police dept. plan that Aaron(firstriguy) did. I have found that under cloudy skies or trees (I run in the woods whenever I can) I lose the signal. Then my only option is to stop and wait for the link to re-establish or keep going without it. Because it can often take as long as five minutes to re-link I usually press on without it. We are limited to TIMEX products because of our voucher system, but do you think they improve the models enough from year to year that I should consider the current year's model???
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