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 2010-08-11 7:46 AM in reply to: #3036018 |
Elite  3515    Romeoville, Il |  Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now!brick94513 - 2010-08-10 10:12 PM shmeeg - 2010-08-10 3:59 PM For you lake swimmers, what can I expect in comparison to racing in the ocean? I like swimming in the ocean a lot more than the lakes! I grew up around the ocean and just love everything about it. Anyways, the differences. In a lake, you are going to be less bouyant and will lack any assistance-resistance from nature. Obviously, no waves, rips, sandbars, et, but normally a little better visibility. In the lake, you will be able to find landmarks to spot off easier on the opposing shore. In my opinion, ocean swims require the most skill. If you can do the distance in the ocean, you will have no problems in the lake. I agree 100%. I've spent limited time in the ocean and no time doing any serious swimming. Most of the lakes I've had the tri's at this season were pretty smooth. Nothing compared to the ocean. I think you guys that do these ocean swims have a serious leg up. Although, I will say we get a certain amount of chop from boats when swim in Lake Michigan, and it's a huge lake so we get some swells. That may be close to comparable given the lack of bouyancy. I'd love to get out to the ocean with a wetsuit. I'm really curious how easy/hard that is with bouyancy vs swells. On the same note of swimming..... I've added an interval workout into my swim mix. It leaves me pretty gassed and I'm worried it may take more recovery time than my previous swim workouts. Should I only do 1 of those a week just like bike/run intervals? or can I do as many as I want given swimmings ease of recovery and low impact? |
| 2010-08-11 11:43 AM in reply to: #2770949 |
Expert 1179  Kansas City, Missouri | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! As I understand it from my limited readings online/mag articles, swimming is such a low impact sport that even your hard days dont require a full recovery day. But you know your body best, if you feel good only doing one hard day a week like that, then stick with it. |
| 2010-08-11 11:56 AM in reply to: #2770949 |
Expert 1179 Kansas City, Missouri | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! So after the splits were posted from my race, I combined all the civilian and military records to compare. I ended up being 64/112, so a little worse than I was shooting for  . Hopefully Vegas will be better. |
| 2010-08-11 12:10 PM in reply to: #3036371 |
Master 1887 Brentwood, CA | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! Meulen - 2010-08-11 5:46 AM Should I only do 1 of those a week just like bike/run intervals? or can I do as many as I want given swimmings ease of recovery and low impact? I usually follow Sara McLarty's swim plan when I'm more swim focused, which definately has not been lately for me  . With a 3x week plan, she will normally have three specific sessions: drill, speed (intervals here), and distance. As you mentioned, very similar to running or cycling. |
| 2010-08-11 12:10 PM in reply to: #3037204 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! shmeeg - 2010-08-11 11:56 AM So after the splits were posted from my race, I combined all the civilian and military records to compare. I ended up being 64/112, so a little worse than I was shooting for . Hopefully Vegas will be better.Jay, I read through your race report. One thing I would mention is that getting out of the saddle for climbs takes a little practice. I remember when I started doing this. I was gassed so frign' quick it wasn't funny. After some time and practice it became second nature. You still expend more energy out of the saddle IMO. But there is a benefit to it when you get the cadence/power right and you are used to it. My point is, maybe the race wasn't time to start a new hill climb strategy. |
| 2010-08-11 12:15 PM in reply to: #3037204 |
Master 1887 Brentwood, CA | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! shmeeg - 2010-08-11 9:56 AM So after the splits were posted from my race, I combined all the civilian and military records to compare. I ended up being 64/112, so a little worse than I was shooting for . Hopefully Vegas will be better.For AG right? How did you compare in the bike and run? I bet you were in the top 35-40 for those disciplines. As you know, the swim is what cost you a lot of time. That really sucks that your pool will be closing next month too. Is there anywhere to take lessons, join a gym with a pool, or a community pool in Palm Springs? |
| 2010-08-11 12:18 PM in reply to: #3037248 |
Master 1887 Brentwood, CA | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! Meulen - 2010-08-11 10:10 AM shmeeg - 2010-08-11 11:56 AM So after the splits were posted from my race, I combined all the civilian and military records to compare. I ended up being 64/112, so a little worse than I was shooting for Jay, I read through your race report. One thing I would mention is that getting out of the saddle for climbs takes a little practice. I remember when I started doing this. I was gassed so frign' quick it wasn't funny. After some time and practice it became second nature. You still expend more energy out of the saddle IMO. But there is a benefit to it when you get the cadence/power right and you are used to it. My point is, maybe the race wasn't time to start a new hill climb strategy.. Hopefully Vegas will be better.Agreed. Just like everything else, it is a learned skill. I takes time to learn how to get out of the saddle, but still be able to keep your cadence up without mashing at the pedals. Trainer is a good place to drill on the technique in intervals. |
| 2010-08-11 12:19 PM in reply to: #3037248 |
Expert 1179 Kansas City, Missouri | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! Meulen - 2010-08-11 10:10 AM shmeeg - 2010-08-11 11:56 AM So after the splits were posted from my race, I combined all the civilian and military records to compare. I ended up being 64/112, so a little worse than I was shooting for Jay, I read through your race report. One thing I would mention is that getting out of the saddle for climbs takes a little practice. I remember when I started doing this. I was gassed so frign' quick it wasn't funny. After some time and practice it became second nature. You still expend more energy out of the saddle IMO. But there is a benefit to it when you get the cadence/power right and you are used to it. My point is, maybe the race wasn't time to start a new hill climb strategy.. Hopefully Vegas will be better.Yeah, I have done it a couple times on some short hills here on regular rides. Same ending. Me out of breath at the top. I'll keep workin on it. I probably need to find the right gear to be in, I may be going at it in a harder gear than I need to. |
| 2010-08-11 12:21 PM in reply to: #3037261 |
Expert 1179 Kansas City, Missouri | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! brick94513 - 2010-08-11 10:15 AM shmeeg - 2010-08-11 9:56 AM So after the splits were posted from my race, I combined all the civilian and military records to compare. I ended up being 64/112, so a little worse than I was shooting for . Hopefully Vegas will be better.For AG right? How did you compare in the bike and run? I bet you were in the top 35-40 for those disciplines. As you know, the swim is what cost you a lot of time. That really sucks that your pool will be closing next month too. Is there anywhere to take lessons, join a gym with a pool, or a community pool in Palm Springs? Yeah, that's for overall AG rankings. Umm...65 bike and 59 run  . We supposedly have an covered indoor pool here somewhere in town that's $50/month that I am gonna look into. I'd love to keep workin on my swimming in the out season. |
| 2010-08-11 1:25 PM in reply to: #3037275 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! shmeeg - 2010-08-11 12:19 PM Meulen - 2010-08-11 10:10 AM shmeeg - 2010-08-11 11:56 AM So after the splits were posted from my race, I combined all the civilian and military records to compare. I ended up being 64/112, so a little worse than I was shooting for Jay, I read through your race report. One thing I would mention is that getting out of the saddle for climbs takes a little practice. I remember when I started doing this. I was gassed so frign' quick it wasn't funny. After some time and practice it became second nature. You still expend more energy out of the saddle IMO. But there is a benefit to it when you get the cadence/power right and you are used to it. My point is, maybe the race wasn't time to start a new hill climb strategy.. Hopefully Vegas will be better.Yeah, I have done it a couple times on some short hills here on regular rides. Same ending. Me out of breath at the top. I'll keep workin on it. I probably need to find the right gear to be in, I may be going at it in a harder gear than I need to. Yeah... you can't go over every hill like you're doing hill repeats in training. You still gotta pick up your speed after you crest and gain that momentum back. Gearin is crucial. You should be in a gear that keeps you around 70 cadence imo. On your swim.....what is your pace in the pool? How much did the conditions effect it? Edited by Meulen 2010-08-11 1:26 PM |
| 2010-08-11 10:38 PM in reply to: #3037281 |
Master 1887 Brentwood, CA | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! shmeeg - 2010-08-11 10:21 AM Yeah, that's for overall AG rankings. Umm...65 bike and 59 run . We supposedly have an covered indoor pool here somewhere in town that's $50/month that I am gonna look into. I'd love to keep workin on my swimming in the out season.Then your swim rank should of been pretty much the same, 50 - 60? |
| 2010-08-12 12:12 AM in reply to: #3038664 |
Expert 1179 Kansas City, Missouri | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! Oh, forgot about that. Ha, no, swim was 88 |
| 2010-08-12 12:18 AM in reply to: #3037481 |
Expert 1179 Kansas City, Missouri | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! Meulen - 2010-08-11 11:25 AM On your swim.....what is your pace in the pool? How much did the conditions effect it? Crappy. I always figure in my 'rest' between laps typically, so usually about 2:30-3:00/100. Believe it or not, I actually prefer swimming in the OW, cause I can't see anything so it's like 'oh, I'm at the buoy already' when I decide to take a look around. I don't know what my deal was this last race, I sucked down water every time I turned my head to breathe, but it wasn't like there were waves crashing over my head when I was doing it. Maybe I was just too used to the calm pool water. Felt like I was on the surface when I would rotate, maybe the chop did affect me. I'm not good enough to diagnose these things. :D |
| 2010-08-12 6:47 AM in reply to: #2770949 |
Extreme Veteran 793 Naperville, IL | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! Hoping to get back to training today. While I felt great after the race on Sunday, was incredibly sore the last couple of days. Combined with not getting out of work until late, just did not work in the time for any training. Hopefully the couple of days of R&R will prove useful! |
| 2010-08-12 7:55 AM in reply to: #3038856 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! croixfan - 2010-08-12 6:47 AM Hoping to get back to training today. While I felt great after the race on Sunday, was incredibly sore the last couple of days. Combined with not getting out of work until late, just did not work in the time for any training. Hopefully the couple of days of R&R will prove useful! that's what happens after a race effort!  I've only done a swim and a recovery run in the last couple days. |
| 2010-08-12 7:08 PM in reply to: #2770949 |
Extreme Veteran 565 Silicon Valley | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! Things have been so busy since getting back from my week of vacation. We've been doing lots of preliminary wedding planning and I don't have much room in my brain right now. No more excuses! I'm going for a run - NOW! PS - None of you know a good place for a rehearsal dinner in North Tahoe do you? Resaraunts seem limited and/or expensive. Anyone know someone with a lakeview home that has room for 27 on a deck that's ADA accessible? Making dreams come true takes deeper pockets than I have. Sheeeeesh. |
| 2010-08-12 10:54 PM in reply to: #2770949 |
Extreme Veteran 565 Silicon Valley | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! Got a little over ambitious with my run tonight. Since I'm pacing the Morgan Hill (Half) Marathon I thought I'd try using the Garmin Virtual Partner feature of my watch. I set it for 8 miles, 8:00 pace. Sure, that's faster than I'd usually run but maybe I'll surprise myself. FAIL! The first four miles were good, then fatigue and a head-wind on the way home had me deeply disappointed. Oh ya, I drank and ate a ton on vaca too...feeling heavy. It's a wake up call for me. I need to take my marathon training seriously or I'll be in a world of hurt. Tim - it's a ways off still but are you thinking about doing the Morgan Hill Half or Full? |
| 2010-08-13 8:48 AM in reply to: #2770949 |
Elite 3515 Romeoville, Il | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! Get ready to open the wallet Dave!!! LOL When I got married (almost 11 years ago  ) I had an account I saved money in for a house. After said wedding and a battle with both our parents to cut a list of 700 people down to 300, my little savings account go bye bye!!! We ended up renting an apartment in Chicago for 2 years before I ever got to buy that house! btw...Dave, thanks for the swim advice this spring. It's starting to come together now. I'm setting a goal for 3 swims per week right now. One swim will be intervals/speedwork, another focused on drills and the last one focused on endurance. Last night I did 2x1000m swim's, both around the 22 minute mark. (which is good for me) I'm hoping to break under the 2:00/100m's this season yet. Here's my swim sets 1. 150 kick 150 pull 150 free 400 free 4x100 medium/hard 8x50 medium/hard 150 cool down 2. 150 kick 150 pull 150 free 2x1000 easy 150 cool down 3. Just swim with focus on form and do drills I have fins/paddles/pull bouy to work with and do: catch ups shark fins one arms popov's 360 rolls etc. thanks again! Edited by Meulen 2010-08-13 8:55 AM |
| 2010-08-13 11:08 AM in reply to: #3041308 |
Master 1887 Brentwood, CA | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! dhopman - 2010-08-12 8:54 PM Tim - it's a ways off still but are you thinking about doing the Morgan Hill Half or Full? I'm not going to be able to make it. I already had plans for that weekend. Not to mention, running period just sounds like a poor idea. My leg is still causing problems. |
| 2010-08-13 11:10 AM in reply to: #2770949 |
Master 1887 Brentwood, CA | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! I can't remember if I posted this already, but this website is great for swim workouts: http://www.ntcmastersswim.blogspot.com/ If I already posted this, please forgive me. |
| 2010-08-13 12:13 PM in reply to: #3042176 |
Expert 1179 Kansas City, Missouri | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! I will never forgive you for what you have done by posting that twice! Where's our girl? Haven't heard from her lately. She usually stops in every few days. |
| 2010-08-13 1:38 PM in reply to: #3041685 |
Extreme Veteran 565 Silicon Valley | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! Meulen - 2010-08-13 6:48 AM Get ready to open the wallet Dave!!! LOL Luckily, our families are helping out a lot financially...but there are some things I know they are uncomfortable paying for, like the $4k band we want. We're keeping it small too, probably 125 invites, and ultimately 110-115 people showing up. Dave, thanks for the swim advice this spring. It's starting to come together now. Great!! Sounds like a good plan for the way your broke up the workouts. You'll notice big improvements if you consistently get in the water 3x per week. I was only doing 2x in prep for my HIM. The key for me is trying new things to add some spice and variety. Throw in some ladders or pyramids. One time I did a swim where everything was in 4's - 400 warm-up, 4x400's, total distance of 4400 meters, etc. Guess what my favorite number is? =) |
| 2010-08-14 10:33 AM in reply to: #2770949 |
Expert 801 Oklahoma City | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! Hi guys. I've been sick. Trying to catch up on posts. Dave - Congrats on getting engaged! Tim - Sucks about your stress factor. Everyone that has raced - WTG! You guys are truly impressive. On top of my having strep throat and a secondary infection, the weather here has been just miserable. 105-107 with heat indexes in the 110's. Even getting up early in the morning to ride provides no substantial relief. Humidity is high. I hate it here this time of year. I'm heading to Montreal. There's a Formula One race track on which I can ride my bike (or a rental) - it's the sight of either a HIM or IM....I'll do a little recon and see how mundane it gets going around the same track after about 25-30 miles. I may just make it the sight of my first HIM. Hope everyone's having a great weekend, and hope whomever raced today had a good one!  |
| 2010-08-14 5:00 PM in reply to: #2770949 |
Master 1887 Brentwood, CA | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! Leg is feeling a little better after a week of no running. At least I'm walking without pain now. Plan is to lay off running for another week and see how it feels. I would really like to get into the MD office next week for an xray. If I knew for sure that a fracture wasn't present, I would feel better about easing back into the run the week before the race. Time will tell... but I really can't miss this race at the end of the month.
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| 2010-08-14 5:03 PM in reply to: #2770949 |
Master 1887 Brentwood, CA | Subject: RE: brick94513-GoGoGo Mentor Group - Closed For Now! If interested, here's the video from last year's XTERRA USA Nationals. This year the race will be held at the same location, Snowbasin Resort, Ogden, Utah. http://www.xterra.tv/ On the right, click on "2009 USA Nationals." The video is about 45 minutes, but has some pretty good footage of the course. |
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