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the one downfall of BT is you can't log beer drinking time other than hiding it as 1 second in the pool!  

"Today I survived my first run outside. I ran 5 miles to the pool. did 2000 yards and made it back during a rain storm.."   Jan

 Ummm.  that is more than most do for the "first run outside"  AWESOME!!!  AWESOME!! AWESOME!!!!

A run/swim/run brick, dude, that is intense!  AWESOME!!  Trust you enjoyed running outside better than the dreadmill?

Word of caution, however....be VERY careful with sudden spikes in run volume/intensity and follow the 10% rule.  This can lead to some NASTY overuse-type issues.  Trust me on this one, I've lived thru it (knees and shins) and it isn't any fun....

Sure you can:  strenth training/arms/curls/12oz  

Hey Bill:  tough day here...my mind said go 45 miles but my body said no way jose.   did 20 easy and my legs are still hurting a little.  I've been having a tough go at it on the run as well but I'm thinking it has to do with coming up on the highest mileage weeks of my program. 

a couple of questions for Bill and everyone . 

1. how come you are or are not a bronze/silver member?  i never really thought about it but lately i've been wondering if its worth it.  believe me i know this is an individual thing but just wanted your take.  Hopefully Brad will chime in here to tell me how great being a bronze member is!

2. is there a search function in Gear Review? for the life of me i can't figure this out but surely it must exist.

second day of chocolate milk and i think i'm liking it!

John,

Be sure and listen to your body.  It is telling you to take an unscheduled day off, by all means take it.  If memory serves me, you are doing a tri-newbies plan?  I don't see it yet in your logs, but does it have give you a lower volume recovery week every 4th week? 

How is your nutrition/hydration?  Going into a workout underfueled and/or underhydrated can have you quickly running out of gas too.  Another thing to start watching as your volume ramps up is your resting heart rate.  Check it just after you wake up but before you get out of bed.  Change of 10 BPM or more is an indicator of overtraining or the onset of illness.

Membership:  I never took the plunge because I've either been coached or using a different (free...) training plan.  That said, I've benefitted so much from this site that giving something back in terms of financial support is certainly warranted...

Searching:  The only way I know how is to go the "generic" search function and then target on the Gear Review forum with the specifics you are looking for.

Hope everyone had a good weekend. Beautiful weather here! Sunny and 49° on Saturday, and sunny and 45° Sunday. Had a great long run today outside. Ran 7 miles at just under 9 min. pace. I felt like I could have done that all day. Next weekend I am running another 5k, and will once again try to break the 7:00 / mile barrier. 7:19 is my best so far. We'll see.

Jean-Marie - I wear contacts, and don't have any problems, anymore. It took me 3 pairs of goggles though. They don't have to be expensive, they just have to fit you. Try them on without the straps. you should be able to make them stick to your face.

Bill - thanks for the nutrition/hydro advice. A whole lot of info there. I'll have to read it several more times.

Jan - you asked about weight loss a while back. The best advice I have is to keep track of your food. It is a horrible way to eat if you enjoy food like I do, but it really makes you aware of what and how much you are eating. I quit doing it now for the last couple of weeks, and i really notice the difference in what I'm eating, and how much weight I'm not loosing. I need to get back to it. There were many times where I was about to eat something and thought, this is going to take forever to figure out on my food log, so I passed. 

I went through my fist training experience two years ago. I decided I was going to train for a 25k, with no previous experience. It (my training plan) started out very easy. So easy,  that I got bored, and started to train beyond the distances in my plan. Although I was warned about injury, I didn't listen. I ended up with a hairline fracture on my tibia. My training was finished. I'm not sure if any human is capable of listening to others advise on this subject. It seems like we all hear the advice, but don't "hear" it. This time around, I'm trying to be carefull about sticking to the plan and not over doing it. So far, so good. No injuries.

John - I decided to join for the Garmin downloading. I have a forerunner 305 with HRM that automatically dumps each workout into my log. Take a look at my run for today. You'll see my dist, pace, time, HR data and a map of the run. This is all loaded automatically. For me, that is worth the price. There a bunch of additional training plans that become available, however, the one i am using is free anyway. I think there are additional training log features, but I didn't use them at all until I joined, so I don't know what parts I have that you don't get for free. I think the nutrition log is better too, but again, I'm not sure. 

Good luck training this week everyone. 

-Brad

Morning all:  Bill, I took a day off yesterday and felt much better today.  I think my hydration is good, I use the pee color test, I try to keep it clear and am mostly successful.  I'm beginning to realize that this really is a new ball game w/ nutrition.  I mean, I hear what everyone is saying and I read a bit about it but now that I'm logging a few more miles I can literally feel my body saying you gotta figure this food thing out.  I know that's really weird and I'm laughing as I type this but honest that's how I feel.  I tried a yogurt and and a mini cliff bar 20 minutes before the pool this morning then a gu 1/3 of the way through and felt pretty good.  Oh and a big glass a gatorade w/ the yogurt.  About 1/2 hour after the swim, another yogurt and coffee...ok i just realized i should be logging this for my sake and the boredom of all you reading this...sorry! ...yeah I really need to pay attention to what, when and how much I'm eating because in my humble opinion, I think its playing a role here in how I'm feeling.

Yes there are recovery weeks every forth week.  Next week is my bingo.

Thanks all for the info on the membership.  I went to the Hosuton Tri club meeting last night.  I was kinda of worried it would be a bunch of uppity people but that wasnt the case.  Not sure If I'll join but good to know its there.  Its a 40 minute drive from the house...

Have a great Tuesday all!   John

John,

Glad to hear you are feeling better!  The nutrition thing is a challenge for us all because it is so individual.  If I ate like that before a swim, I'd be "chumming" in the pool.....Your pre-race meals will be the same way.  I know guys that swear by mexican the night before a race.  I tried that once............and it was NOT a pleasant experience for me!!

So, how long would that 40 minute drive take you on your bike???? 

never been there but i think the same applies in Aspen as it does Mammoth...

hot tub w/ beer = pool workout.   have fun!   

Hey everyone, Hope everything is well!  I took a few days off this past weekend and have resumed training.  I have been swimming and biking.  Legs were sore from snowboarding.  Next week I won't get to swim too much since I will be heading home for a few days and then flying to St. Louis for an interview, it would be sweet if the hotel has a pool! the swimming is getting easer but I have to start swimming more than 100 meters straight.  Any tips or workout plan suggestions on how I should go about swimming 200 - 300 meters?  i have been trying to follow the beginner swim program on here, but one week the training said 300 meters when I hadn't even gone past 100m.  2x150? is that a good workout?  I really need better endurance and my legs are dying at the end! Thanks everyone -JeanMarie

JeanMarie,

Welcome back!     As for the increased endurance in the pool, try to build on your long set weekly.  Start with 150 one week, 200 the next, etc.   No need to limit this to 50m per week, go as long as your able or the plan calls for.  Legs being smoked at the end of a swim set?  Sounds like you are trying to kick WAY too hard.....unless you are a 50m or 100m freestyle sprint specialist, the kick is really more of a stabilizer and assists in getting your body to roll between strokes.  Your arms should provide the main form of propulsion.  Have you looked at any of the Total Immersion stuff?  Even just the free clips on their website will give you a good picture of what a solid, efficient stroke should look like.

Jan,

Skiing is a plenty good leg workout.  If you aren't doing TOO MUCH lodge lounging, I'd say call it a good cross-training activity and leave your run/bike gear at home.

I've noticed after a hard workout, mainly run or bike, my calves look like there are bugs crawling under the skin...muscles twitching.  Do you guys/gals expereince this?

Oh yeah!  My kids think it is really cool.  Not really sure what is going on physiologically with this.......I find it gets more pronounced as the distance increases too.  My quads/calves looked like something out of an Alien movie for 2-3 hours after my last marathon.

I have a swim suit but "need" a wetsuit.  I decided to go ahead and look for one and buy if under 200.  So far I've found a couple.  (QR ultra john and a 19 pipeline 2008 models)   Here's my reasoning.  I have three wetsuit legal races.  Rental at local tri shop is 50 a pop so why not buy.  

  sorry Jan but i couldn't resist that one!  

I'm with you John. I'm starting to look for a wetsuit. So far, my running store only has zoot suits. They have 3 models. $250, $400 and $600. I'm going to keep looking.

Missed a new PR for 5k by 4 seconds today. Oh well. It was snowing and slippery. 22:45 (7:20 pace)