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 2011-01-26 1:50 PM in reply to: #3322956 |
Member  5452    NC |  Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closedjessica71980 - 2011-01-26 2:28 PM For now, I will keep with my opinion that a beginner swimmer doesn't need to worry about such things. I say swim, practice good form, and throw in some fast sets once you're comfortable. I wasn't swimming them fast. Actually, it caused me to focus on my form being as efficient as possible so I wouldn't get winded too quickly. I don't know about the average beginner swimmer, but I get worried about breathing. I've always had allergies. My nose always seems stuffed and my nasal passages are narrow, so I'm pretty much a mouth-breather (classy!). I've got sleep apnea that is a result of my nose/mouth/palate construction. When it comes to swimming, I over rotate my head to breathe. I don't keep my head low enough in the water - I think this is related to my breathing concern. Lots of problems associated with the breathing. So, with this drill, as the breathes/length decreased, I wasn't allowed to worry about breathing. It forced me to focus on form and getting down the pool xx yds before I could breathe again. In my head it went from "can I breathe now, how about now" to "I'm going to breath in xx strokes," with that stroke count increasing as breathes/length decreased. It seemed more relaxed. So, for me, it did help. I think this is the direction my instructor was heading, rather than it being hypoxic training. I imagine I might get a similar benefit from a snorkle. Now, the kicking drill with my hands to my sides - that just seemed stupid, awful and uncomfortable. So, that probably means I should be doing more of them. Edited by Goosedog 2011-01-26 1:52 PM |
| 2011-01-26 2:15 PM in reply to: #3266050 |
Extreme Veteran 547 Atlanta | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed I gotcha. I did want to add... if I've learned one thing in triathlon, it's that it's a never-ending quest to find what works best for you. Not what works best for the masses, for you. If you feel that it's helping you feel more comfortable in the water, and also you can work on your form, go for it. I'm probably so set in my ways, I'll spend the whole workout thinking about that and nothing else. lol |
| 2011-01-26 4:56 PM in reply to: #3266050 |
| Member 75 Blacklick, OH | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed I'm off for a 650yd swim tonight so maybe I'll give the bilateral thing a try for a couple hundred yards. |
| 2011-01-26 5:00 PM in reply to: #3323001 |
Elite 2634 in front of my computer duh! | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed Goosedog - 2011-01-26 11:50 AM jessica71980 - 2011-01-26 2:28 PM For now, I will keep with my opinion that a beginner swimmer doesn't need to worry about such things. I say swim, practice good form, and throw in some fast sets once you're comfortable. I wasn't swimming them fast. Actually, it caused me to focus on my form being as efficient as possible so I wouldn't get winded too quickly. I don't know about the average beginner swimmer, but I get worried about breathing. I've always had allergies. My nose always seems stuffed and my nasal passages are narrow, so I'm pretty much a mouth-breather (classy!). I've got sleep apnea that is a result of my nose/mouth/palate construction. When it comes to swimming, I over rotate my head to breathe. I don't keep my head low enough in the water - I think this is related to my breathing concern. Lots of problems associated with the breathing. So, with this drill, as the breathes/length decreased, I wasn't allowed to worry about breathing. It forced me to focus on form and getting down the pool xx yds before I could breathe again. In my head it went from "can I breathe now, how about now" to "I'm going to breath in xx strokes," with that stroke count increasing as breathes/length decreased. It seemed more relaxed. So, for me, it did help. I think this is the direction my instructor was heading, rather than it being hypoxic training. I imagine I might get a similar benefit from a snorkle. Now, the kicking drill with my hands to my sides - that just seemed stupid, awful and uncomfortable. So, that probably means I should be doing more of them. Sculling with the arms strait out and doing your kicking drills. its a great drill to build back and shoulder strength. and they do suck. |
| 2011-01-26 7:57 PM in reply to: #3266050 |
Expert 1480 Somewhere in the Swamps of Philly | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed Another snowy, crappy day in the Northeast. Snowy commute in this morning. Abandoned ship early and came home in time to shovel out the driveway. Since I was home early, hit the trainer for 90 minutes. Not too bad - watched the first episode of Shameless om Showtime (pretty good). Here's my question: I took 3 months from cycling to focus on a half mary. When I was riding seriously during the season I could average 19-20 mph on the road. In the interim I got a new bike (P3) and have been relegated to the trainer since December. I've been training mostly at medium cadence (85-90) in the small ring and feel like I'm having a hard time keeping up my speed (hard pressed to push over 16 mph). I've been strength training to get some of the leg strength back. What do you guys see as a drop off in speed between your trainer vs. road work? |
| 2011-01-26 11:13 PM in reply to: #3323602 |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed JoePetto - 2011-01-26 7:57 PM Another snowy, crappy day in the Northeast. Snowy commute in this morning. Abandoned ship early and came home in time to shovel out the driveway. Since I was home early, hit the trainer for 90 minutes. Not too bad - watched the first episode of Shameless om Showtime (pretty good). Here's my question: I took 3 months from cycling to focus on a half mary. When I was riding seriously during the season I could average 19-20 mph on the road. In the interim I got a new bike (P3) and have been relegated to the trainer since December. I've been training mostly at medium cadence (85-90) in the small ring and feel like I'm having a hard time keeping up my speed (hard pressed to push over 16 mph). I've been strength training to get some of the leg strength back. What do you guys see as a drop off in speed between your trainer vs. road work? I think this is a hard question to answer. I place my wheel sensor on my back wheel when on my trainer to get an accurate mileage. I know that this is probably not atrue representation of miles, but it is what I do. I know that whatever speed I ride on the trainer, I am faster on the road, so I am more concerned about cadence than speed. Anybody else??? |
| 2011-01-27 2:26 AM in reply to: #3323602 |
Elite 2634 in front of my computer duh! | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed JoePetto - 2011-01-26 5:57 PM Another snowy, crappy day in the Northeast. Snowy commute in this morning. Abandoned ship early and came home in time to shovel out the driveway. Since I was home early, hit the trainer for 90 minutes. Not too bad - watched the first episode of Shameless om Showtime (pretty good). Here's my question: I took 3 months from cycling to focus on a half mary. When I was riding seriously during the season I could average 19-20 mph on the road. In the interim I got a new bike (P3) and have been relegated to the trainer since December. I've been training mostly at medium cadence (85-90) in the small ring and feel like I'm having a hard time keeping up my speed (hard pressed to push over 16 mph). I've been strength training to get some of the leg strength back. What do you guys see as a drop off in speed between your trainer vs. road work? I have found that it takes more torque to get the wheels going on a trainer, also there is way more rolling resistance on the wheel as well as the fact that there is no coasting no assist from down hills and because the air is still it does not radiate heat away from the body anywhere near as efficiently. I have also found rides on the trainer (for me) seem to be a lot slower and end up being shorter. this is why I use trainer time to run drills and work on even power all the way around the wheel |
| 2011-01-27 2:42 AM in reply to: #3266050 |
Veteran 297 Lomma | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed Hi guys, Haven't been here a lot these last days. The diet is going allright, 11 pounds down during january so far. Stength/cardio 2 times a week the last weeks. Stepping up to 3 times/week from this week. Adding in 30 minute powerwalks 5 days/week from now as well. The weather here is snow and 17 degrees Farenheit. i'm not man enought to be out running or cycling in this weather. For February i aim to do a measly 1 mile swimming. and that's probably the amount of swimming i've been doing in total the last 40 years. :-) |
| 2011-01-27 4:22 AM in reply to: #3266050 |
Elite 2634 in front of my computer duh! | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed well I spoke too soon. I couldn't keep my eyes open so I did a 25 min yoga workout. Its not much but it is something, plus I stay nice and flexible for all the lovely BT ladies  Edited by joemac3 2011-01-27 5:08 AM |
| 2011-01-27 7:41 AM in reply to: #3266050 |
Veteran 297 Lomma | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed hey Joe, Seems there's sometning amis in the code for the training logs, when i hit Jessicas link i get an error. |
| 2011-01-27 7:52 AM in reply to: #3324146 |
Elite 2634 in front of my computer duh! | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed FlyBoy172 - 2011-01-27 5:41 AM hey Joe, Seems there's sometning amis in the code for the training logs, when i hit Jessicas link i get an error. I will fix it. can you do me a big favor and check the rest of them please? |
| 2011-01-27 8:23 AM in reply to: #3266050 |
Veteran 297 Lomma | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed All the others work perfectly. |
| 2011-01-27 8:28 AM in reply to: #3324243 |
| Member 75 Blacklick, OH | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed Morning all! So I tried the bilateral breathing last night for my 100yd warm up and cool down and I'm pretty sure I looked like a fish out of water, not to mention I took a lot of water in. However, my 480yd freestyle was a personal best time using the two stroke so I was proud of that. I'll keep working on the bilateral to see if it will be better for me though. Ya'll have a great day! |
| 2011-01-27 9:18 AM in reply to: #3266050 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed Man, my attempt at a 3x each schedule is putting the hurt on me. Bagged my early trainer ride today after a "speed" workout (relative) last night. So, I've either got to get it in tonight late or tomorrow morning - screwing up my Friday rest day. |
| 2011-01-27 11:13 AM in reply to: #3324354 |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed Goosedog - 2011-01-27 9:18 AM Man, my attempt at a 3x each schedule is putting the hurt on me. Bagged my early trainer ride today after a "speed" workout (relative) last night. So, I've either got to get it in tonight late or tomorrow morning - screwing up my Friday rest day. The guy that finishes one place ahead of you will get his trainer ride in today!!!  But seriously, do not under value a needed rest day. Rest days are where you make your gains. |
| 2011-01-27 2:07 PM in reply to: #3324659 |
Elite 2634 in front of my computer duh! | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed jford2309 - 2011-01-27 9:13 AM Goosedog - 2011-01-27 9:18 AM Man, my attempt at a 3x each schedule is putting the hurt on me. Bagged my early trainer ride today after a "speed" workout (relative) last night. So, I've either got to get it in tonight late or tomorrow morning - screwing up my Friday rest day. The guy that finishes one place ahead of you will get his trainer ride in today!!! But seriously, do not under value a needed rest day. Rest days are where you make your gains. Have I earned a rest day yet coach? |
| 2011-01-27 2:09 PM in reply to: #3325194 |
Pro 5761 Bartlett, TN | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed joemac3 - 2011-01-27 2:07 PM jford2309 - 2011-01-27 9:13 AM Have I earned a rest day yet coach?Goosedog - 2011-01-27 9:18 AM Man, my attempt at a 3x each schedule is putting the hurt on me. Bagged my early trainer ride today after a "speed" workout (relative) last night. So, I've either got to get it in tonight late or tomorrow morning - screwing up my Friday rest day. The guy that finishes one place ahead of you will get his trainer ride in today!!! But seriously, do not under value a needed rest day. Rest days are where you make your gains. Nope, sounds like you just need sleep!! |
| 2011-01-27 2:18 PM in reply to: #3324659 |
Extreme Veteran 547 Atlanta | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed jford2309 - 2011-01-27 12:13 PM Goosedog - 2011-01-27 9:18 AM Man, my attempt at a 3x each schedule is putting the hurt on me. Bagged my early trainer ride today after a "speed" workout (relative) last night. So, I've either got to get it in tonight late or tomorrow morning - screwing up my Friday rest day. The guy that finishes one place ahead of you will get his trainer ride in today!!!  But seriously, do not under value a needed rest day. Rest days are where you make your gains. Omg, this is what I think about everytime I want to skip workouts. After I missed the qualifying cutoff by one place last year, I"ll be damned if that happens again. If I don't make it, I better not make it by at least 5 places. lol. Hence the 6am workouts this week. It is week 6/20 already! |
| 2011-01-27 2:24 PM in reply to: #3323935 |
Extreme Veteran 547 Atlanta | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed FlyBoy172 - 2011-01-27 3:42 AM Hi guys, Haven't been here a lot these last days. The diet is going allright, 11 pounds down during january so far. Stength/cardio 2 times a week the last weeks. Stepping up to 3 times/week from this week. Adding in 30 minute powerwalks 5 days/week from now as well. The weather here is snow and 17 degrees Farenheit. i'm not man enought to be out running or cycling in this weather. For February i aim to do a measly 1 mile swimming. and that's probably the amount of swimming i've been doing in total the last 40 years. :-) 11 pounds for january so far? That's great! I think it's harder for all of us to keep pounds off during the winter. I like to think it's one of those naturally occuring phenomena in order for our bodies to keep warm or something. Even my dog eats more over the winter and she does less. Like she's trying to conserve body fat. I'll have to do some research on this topic I think. I think we're all counting down the days til spring. It's been a heck of a winter so far. |
| 2011-01-27 7:52 PM in reply to: #3323935 |
Expert 1480 Somewhere in the Swamps of Philly | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed FlyBoy172 - 2011-01-27 2:42 AM Hi guys, Haven't been here a lot these last days. The diet is going allright, 11 pounds down during january so far. Stength/cardio 2 times a week the last weeks. Stepping up to 3 times/week from this week. Adding in 30 minute powerwalks 5 days/week from now as well. The weather here is snow and 17 degrees Farenheit. i'm not man enought to be out running or cycling in this weather. For February i aim to do a measly 1 mile swimming. and that's probably the amount of swimming i've been doing in total the last 40 years. :-) Bravo on the 11 pounds. Weather here sucks as well. Shoveled 16 inches today and spent 45 minutes shoveling out my after it got stuck in my parents driveway. March 20th (1st day of spring) is around the corner. |
| 2011-01-28 8:23 AM in reply to: #3266050 |
Extreme Veteran 547 Atlanta | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed Happy Friday, everyone! Anyone have some big training planned for the weekend? I've got: Sat - 2h bike, ST At least it's supposed to be nice here in the ATL. I may even get to ride outside tomorrow! |
| 2011-01-28 8:25 AM in reply to: #3266050 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed Fri. - got 30 mins on the trainer in (screw that guy finishing ahead of me). Sat. - 8 miles, 1800 yds. Sun. - hopefully get the bike outside for a couple of hours. |
| 2011-01-28 8:48 AM in reply to: #3266050 |
Veteran 297 Lomma | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed Soo.. seems i will be able to focus a little bit more on the training going forward. I was just fired. :-( Edited by FlyBoy172 2011-01-28 8:49 AM |
| 2011-01-28 8:57 AM in reply to: #3326492 |
Member 5452 NC | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed FlyBoy172 - 2011-01-28 9:48 AM Soo.. seems i will be able to focus a little bit more on the training going forward. I was just fired. :-( That sucks. Sorry to hear it. |
| 2011-01-28 9:30 AM in reply to: #3266050 |
| Member 75 Blacklick, OH | Subject: RE: JFord's Mentor Group-Closed Gym time this weekend for me: Fri: 460yd swim and 7 miles on the stationary bike Sat: 50 minute interval run (3:30 walk / 3:30 run)...should be about 3.5mi when I'm done Sun: 10 miles on the stationary bike Mats, sorry to hear about the job!! |
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