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jdwright56 - 2009-08-03 4:12 PM Ummmm --- What????
OK - so who draws the line at who is too sick and who is not?  I mean, are you only talking about terminal illness?  I have personally met people that I was quite sure weren't going to live for another two weeks, and then a donor organ became available and they now live compelling, productive lives working a job and paying taxes.  Would you have cut them off?  How do you know when to say when?  


That is exactly Spokes' point.  Somebody HAS to say when because we don't have an infinite amount of money to pay for every treatment.  In government run programs, it is the government that says what is and what is not worth treating, and to what extent treatment is used.  This is exactly what Britain does.  In essence, the government is putting a value on human life...which is an extremely sensitive subject.  Having personal choice is something that a lot of americans value, whether or not it actually makes them better off.  For personal choice in healthcare, that means our healthcare will be expensive.  I wish it were different, but I still want personal choice.

EDIT:  Don't take these comments personally.  You are a great case why we should not move towards the British model of healthcare, at least not totally.  I know and understand how inefficient our own health care model is, but I think it is better to pay more and get the treatment you deserve instead of being treated as a lost cause by your own government.  From a book I read, The Undercover Economist, a chapter deals with this problem and the moral hazards a government plan cause.  In Britain, the leading cause of blindness is macular degeneration.  In Britain you don't get the laser treatment for it unless both eyes are having this problem...and then you only get it for one eye.  Ugh. 

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SGriepsma - 2009-08-03 1:16 PM
SweetK - 2009-08-03 10:05 AM
mdg2003 - 2009-08-03 12:33 PM http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090803/ap_on_go_pr_wh/us_economy. Seems the campaign promises keep getting broken. This one is huge and they shouldn't get away with it. Call your Senators and Reps and tell them to stop this nonsense NOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It should all equal out don't you think? A small increase in taxes for lower premiums, less burden on employers and so on. Someone will have to pay. I would rather pay more for the government to operate a transparent public program then to a private insurance company whose rates are a high b/c of their profit structure. I don't know, it's just me.


I'm sorry, but it won't ever be cheaper.  The government can't run anything on the cheap.  That is where I just don't buy into it.  The government is going to ruin healthcare for the over 80% who are covered for the roughly 5-9% (removing the illegal immigrants and those that choose not to be covered) that are truly not covered rather than focus on a plan to catch that 5-9%. 

I am tired of being told I need to work more and pay more to support everyone else.  Selfish?  You bet.  I have worked since I was 12 yrs old in my parent's store and for 25 years in private industry.  The US has created the land of entitlement at someone else's expense and it is disgusting.


You are not the selfish one.  Those who believe they are special enough to determine how much of your money is taken and given to those who didn't earn it are the selfish ones.
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