Joe Paterno (Page 5)

so 'respect your elders" really means just the ones that have earned your respect?

you have to admit that there are certain situations that just demand your respect...

the dead and your elders are just two...

yes it does.

no it doesn't.

By most accounts this is not usually an issue unless there is a jerk around.  Most people will extend respect to each other up front.  But an old jerk is still a jerk undeserving of respect regardless of age.  Someone doesn't get to be a jerk just because they are old.  Dead, old, same thing.  They are who they are/were.  Age and alive or dead are irrelevant.

I think that is the fundamental disagreement.

Ah, I see the problem. I was taught that respect is earned, and pretending respect to someone  who does not deserve it is dishonest, something that a person does who cannot think and judge for themselves.

This does not mean that I go to a funeral and badmouth the dead. On the other hand, I also don't stand in the street and do it when s/he is alive. I just ignore the person, unless it is something like a discussion or forum where the specific topic is being discussed.

In this case (forum, right? ) from the little I know, he did a lot of good, that is overshadowed by a major screw-up.

yes it does.

no it doesn't.

By most accounts this is not usually an issue unless there is a jerk around.  Most people will extend respect to each other up front.  But an old jerk is still a jerk undeserving of respect regardless of age.  Someone doesn't get to be a jerk just because they are old.  Dead, old, same thing.  They are who they are/were.  Age and alive or dead are irrelevant.

I think that is the fundamental disagreement.

JoePa already admitted that he didn't do what he should have when he found out.  He didn't do enough to stop it...and I truly believe that makes JoePa a bad person.  I said it 3 months ago, I will say it today.

Respect is earned, not a right, and JoePa lost all my respect when the scandal came about...that wont EVER change. 

I don't think that he's a hero...at all.

Did he do good things? Yes.  But all those went out the window when I found out that he and the rest of the Penn State administration continued to let these little boys be raped....

Every 5 seconds a child dies of hunger in Africa. What are you doing about it? 

JoePa already admitted that he didn't do what he should have when he found out.  He didn't do enough to stop it...and I truly believe that makes JoePa a bad person.  I said it 3 months ago, I will say it today.

Respect is earned, not a right, and JoePa lost all my respect when the scandal came about...that wont EVER change. 

I don't think that he's a hero...at all.

Did he do good things? Yes.  But all those went out the window when I found out that he and the rest of the Penn State administration continued to let these little boys be raped....

Every 5 seconds a child dies of hunger in Africa. What are you doing about it? 

First of all, I am doing nothing.

Second, the question is irrelevant.

Was that helpful?

Very helpful thank you. The fact that you can't see the relevance makes your position more understandable.

And the fact that you pretend that there is some remote relevance shows yours.