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2004-03-02 10:06 PM

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Subject: Ideal body weight
Anybody know any good websites that are accurate in figuring your IBW and daily caloric intake to achieve it? I have been trying to lose weight since July last year. Started at 250 and am down to 208. However, I'm stuck at 208(6'3"). Right now I'm eating about 2100 calories a day and training faithfully, but the weight won't keep coming off. Tips or suggestions appreciated. I know the formula of more calories burned than consumed, but hunger keeps me from being much more strict. Help!


2004-03-02 10:19 PM
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actually just found the nutrition spot on the BT home page. Still don't understand since it says I can be sedentary, eat 2500 cal/d and maintain my IBW of 196. I'm not doing something right.
2004-03-02 11:46 PM
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Ideal body weight means very little. I am 6'2 and weigh a little more than 200. At one point, I was at 170, then I started working out more. I can't get back under 200 no matter how hard I try. I stopped caring, I feel good, look good and nobody knows what I weigh. I have been thinking about a body fat scale. That seems a little more important, but I don't want to spend the money for a body fat scale that works for athletes.
2004-03-02 11:49 PM
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I can be sedentary, eat 2500 cal/d and maintain my IBW of 196

That's what I used to think! 

Good grief, I just used that IBW calculator and got 178 lb.  At 241 I was 24% fat so that's 58 lbs of fat.  241 - 58 == 183, so I would have to lose significant muscle AND get down to like 10% fat to reach my "IBW".  Could it be that this calculator doesn't take different body types into account? 

Err...my lean BW then is 183 lb.  But at 178 lb and 10% fat my lean body weight would be like 160 lb.  Something's not right.  That must be my body weight after eating off my own leg from hunger.

2004-03-03 6:41 AM
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Subject: RE: Ideal body weight
and that's why it's so difficult to answer the original poster's question with a blanket formula.  I've been struggling with this issue for years, and it really is an individual formula.  What works for you will not work for me and vice-versa.  So, I have no gems of wisdom to share, just keep experimenting.
2004-03-03 8:26 AM
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I guess that's my frustration. There's a lot of info out there, but there doesn't seem to be any one good source to help pull it all together. I've read lots of books and have ongoing searches. Appreciate any info anyone has. Will keep you posted on what I manage to find out.


2004-03-03 10:23 AM
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The formula needs to be modified with a factor for body type.  How about:

IBW(individual) = IBW * (actual lean body weight / ideal lean body weight)

2004-03-03 10:24 AM
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I'm 6'3", 210lbs, 10% body fat. According to BMI I'm border line fat/obese.
BMI and other formulas for IBW are for people who don't exercise. BMI is a tool that could alert someone that they are getting fat. If you are an athlete, forget about it.
The formulas don't work for athletes.
Stop weighing yourself. Muscle weighs more than fat, so even though you are getting fitter and your body is changing it's shape from pear to a V you might be gaining weight.
If you need to measure something, measure your body fat %. Even those electronic scales/devices will do the trick, just make sure to calibrate it for athletes...

umbach, you are not eating enough man. 2100 cals a day just doesn't provide enough energy for serious tri training. Add 500-1000 good cals a day for few weeks and see how you feel/look after that. You'll probably lose fat and gain muscle and have more energy for training.
Never go hungry. Eat a bunch of small meals during the day, always providing your body with enough energy so it doesn't need to store fat for later.


2004-03-03 11:45 AM
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FWIW

i hear your frustrations and on nutrition and how to lose weight, how everything ties together, etc.  i am learning a lot too from your questions.  yes, that calculator for ibw through active is, im sure, is a 'balnket' calc...some  people probably will not apply to it or some segment of the population for certain reasons or others. 

from all of your questions about nutrition and weightloss, i know what bt needs to do to address these items conveniently and concisely.  hopefully during the latter part of this year, the nutrition part of the log i hope to integrate in will also contain better calculators built-in, detailed explanations of particular 'diets',  who they work for best, etc.  i am already talking to a few nutritionists at the moment who deal with athletes or those new to endurance for the next project...

2004-03-03 12:24 PM
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One of the old axioms of health was that if you could pinch an inch or less next to your belly button you were ok.  After looking at quite a few charts, calculating body mass index, and using a Tanita body fat scale, I think that the old way works as well as anything.

There is another test.  Your wife/husband will tell you..  Janicewhokeepsmehumble used to say I looked like a toothpick.  Now, she says I look like a Q-tip.  I guess that means I'm ok.

2004-03-03 1:47 PM
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Q-tip?  that could also mean she thinks you have a big head.  Is your ego in check? 


2004-03-03 2:54 PM
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Hey Rio,

I hadn't thought of that but you may be on to something.  Janiceangelonearth has a vast and subtle command of the English language.  After thirty years of marriage, I have learned that when she says, "OK, PooForBrains, what made you think of doing that?" that the question is rhetorical and I do not have to answer.  In fact, she will supply the answer for me.

2004-03-03 3:27 PM
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it sounds like Janiceangelonearth has done a wonderful job training you    Keep in mind that some husbands are more readily trainable than others.  I like to think I've done a helluva job with mine, but after 20+ years of marriage there is always some fine tuning to do LOL

good thing he doesn't read message boards either!

2004-03-03 6:43 PM
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When I only ate 2000 cals and started heavy workouts I stopped loosing weight. Currently 5'8" @ 160lbs, 16%, down from my high of 195lbs @ 34%. Since I have upped my intake to 2000-3500 cals/day depending on excercise load I shed about 1-1.5lbs/week. I follow 50%carb/30%fat/20%protein diet and target eating 500 cals less than my daily expenditure during week days to keep loosing. On the weekends I eat just over my expenditure. My bodybuilding friend (3-5% bodyfat!) claimed that the 'overeating' on the weekends keeps the body guessing and helps from hitting a plateau. As with anything your body adapts quickly so change is needed to re-stress in a sense. Since it got me off my plateau ... With various workout days my expenditure ranges from 2000-5000 cals/day burned (rest days vs. killer bricks). My base metobolic rate (BMR) is about 1750 cals/day. Thus, it really changes the volume of what I eat per day and seems to be working. Eating 5-6 meals trying to stay away from processed sugars, bleached grains and partionally hydrogenated oils also helps immensely. It is hard to eat perfectly but these goals keep me on track. I figure if I am hungry than my body is resorting to burning its fat stores. This is counter-productive since it then thinks it needs those fat stores and re-stores them when I eat. I nothiced when I eat more I feel much stronger in my workouts, recover faster and keep loosing the pounds. On the other hand when I was trying to starve myself of cals (or carbs as I tried Atkins) I plateaued quick, tired easily and was more irritable. Also, when I was guessing on my cals eaten I was way off. As I now keep track electronically I see that the nutrition I actually get is much different than what I thought, ie. the more processed my diet the more I was off.

My vote is your not eating enough, mixed it up until you find what works, Good luck!


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