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2010-01-14 7:37 AM

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Subject: Income Tax on Payroll

So I just ran the payroll update to our Accounting Software and noticed this extra Tax that sits right in the middle.

There is a 2% (27% total) increase on income from 94K-124K then it drops back down to 25%.  So basically it looks like this...

75K-94K = 25% Tax
94K-124K = 27% Tax
124K-145K = 25% Tax

US Census data defines Middle Class as 35-121K in income so this clearly only effects the Upper range.  However, I thought I remember something about not raising taxs on middle class households?  I know this is not alot but looking back at the historical data from our database I don't see any year where there was a bump within a specific group.  It has always been a straight line going from roughly 0-35%.  So what's the deal?

Whatever, I am just ranting a bit.

 



Edited by Batlou 2010-01-14 7:38 AM


2010-01-14 9:27 AM
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Subject: RE: Income Tax on Payroll

Here are the tax rates from the IRS:

 

If Taxpayer's Income Is...

Then Estimated Taxes Are...

Between

But Not Over

Base Tax

+ Rate

Of the Amount Over

$0
$8,025
$0
10%
$0
$8,025
$32,550
$802.50
15%
$8,025
$32,550
$78,860
$4,481.25
25%
$32,550
$78,850
$164,550
$16,056.25
28%
$78,850
$164,550
$357,700
$40,052.25
33%
$164,550
$357,700
- - - - -
$103,791.75
35%
$357,700

 

2010-01-14 10:22 AM
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Subject: RE: Income Tax on Payroll
Just processed my company's first payroll for the year. Employment taxes increased $500(unemployment tax increased 65%) so that's an additonal $13,000 out of my pocket that I have absolutely no chance to pass on to my customers. 

So to make up the difference no one is getting a raise this year as it is either that or layoff one admin staff person.
 

Edited by Jackemy 2010-01-14 10:25 AM
2010-01-14 11:14 AM
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Subject: RE: Income Tax on Payroll
Jackemy - 2010-01-13 11:22 AM Just processed my company's first payroll for the year. Employment taxes increased $500(unemployment tax increased 65%) so that's an additonal $13,000 out of my pocket that I have absolutely no chance to pass on to my customers

So to make up the difference no one is getting a raise this year as it is either that or layoff one admin staff person.
 


I'm genuinely curious as to why this is true.   I'll not be offended if you can't/won't answer.
2010-01-14 11:55 AM
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Subject: RE: Income Tax on Payroll
Nipper - 2010-01-14 9:27 AM

Here are the tax rates from the IRS:

 

If Taxpayer's Income Is...

Then Estimated Taxes Are...

Between

But Not Over

Base Tax

+ Rate

Of the Amount Over

$0
$8,025
$0
10%
$0
$8,025
$32,550
$802.50
15%
$8,025
$32,550
$78,860
$4,481.25
25%
$32,550
$78,850
$164,550
$16,056.25
28%
$78,850
$164,550
$357,700
$40,052.25
33%
$164,550
$357,700
- - - - -
$103,791.75
35%
$357,700

 






2010 Federal Tax Table (Annual Married)
OverBut Not OverBase TaxOver Tax %
01375000
1375024450010
2445075750107515
75750940508762.525
9405012405013337.527
12405014505021437.525
14505021700026687.528
21700038140046833.533
38140099999999.99101085.535


Page 40 of from the following doc on http://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-pdf/p15.pdf
2010-01-14 11:57 AM
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Subject: RE: Income Tax on Payroll

This amounts to roughly a 3% increase for those falling in this 27% bracket.



2010-01-14 12:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Income Tax on Payroll
I may be completely mistaken here, but it appears that one of the tables is from what you pay to the government and the other (with the 27%) is from what employers are to withhold from your paycheck.  I suspect they try to withhold more than what you are expected to pay, hence all the refunds that people get.  I hope someone can clarify!

Brian 
2010-01-14 12:26 PM
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Subject: RE: Income Tax on Payroll

yes, the table you have printed from page 40 is a calculation for withholding, that is not necessarily the tax rate.

2010-01-14 12:27 PM
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Subject: RE: Income Tax on Payroll
famelec - 2010-01-13 1:19 PM I may be completely mistaken here, but it appears that one of the tables is from what you pay to the government and the other (with the 27%) is from what employers are to withhold from your paycheck.  I suspect they try to withhold more than what you are expected to pay, hence all the refunds that people get.  I hope someone can clarify!

Brian 


That wouldn't be allowed.   The gov't requires that your employer withhold taxes at the rate that they (the gov't) expect you to pay.  If you correctly fill out your W4 with an accurate number of allowances, your return will be very small.   (as you will not be providing the gov't with an interest-free loan!)

The reason people get refunds is that they don't claim any allowances, even though they've got a big mortgage and 3 kids.    (these things account for significant deductions/credits)

Back when I owned my own business, I used to withhold alot of $$$ from my "real job" paycheck, just so I wouldn't get socked with a big bill at tax time.    Sadly, I was usually too conservative and got some decent refunds.  Now that I have a much more predictable income/allowances, I shoot for less than $1000 back at the end of the year.
2010-01-14 2:25 PM
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Subject: RE: Income Tax on Payroll
moondawg14 - 2010-01-14 11:14 AM
Jackemy - 2010-01-13 11:22 AM Just processed my company's first payroll for the year. Employment taxes increased $500(unemployment tax increased 65%) so that's an additonal $13,000 out of my pocket that I have absolutely no chance to pass on to my customers

So to make up the difference no one is getting a raise this year as it is either that or layoff one admin staff person.
 


I'm genuinely curious as to why this is true.   I'll not be offended if you can't/won't answer.


Not offended what so ever. I own a real estate managment company. We are paid on a percent of gross rents for commercial and apartment units or a fixed fee per unit for condo association. The rents are falling and vacancy rates are increasing in our area so our gross revenues are falling in those property sectors and in those properties that we are paid fixed fees, the competition is such that if we raise rates there is a good chance a competitor will offer a better deal. Heck, I used to never market to my competitors properties but now I am.

Also with the amount of starving contractors out there it has been very difficult to maintain our maintenance rates as clients would rather pay $20 for some starving carpenter than pay $40 for the carpenters on my staff. I have actually had to cut my maintenance rates to 2003 levels just to secure winter work.

So not only are my margins going down but overhead expenses though higher taxes and worker comp rates (which is government set in my state) are increasing.
2010-01-14 3:08 PM
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Gotcha.   thanks for the reply.


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