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2008-08-11 3:20 PM

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Subject: How Much Training is Over-training?

Any good guidelines as to what would be considered over-training?  I suppose there will be varying levels depending on what shape you are already in and what type of event you are training for (sprint, olympic, HIM, IM...)

In general, is it okay to run or bike everyday, if not how many work/rest days in a week.

Also, is it okay to train both run and bike the same day, or any combination of 2 events, or even train all 3 events the same day?

What about throwing in some extra work, like weight-lifting or cardio on an eliptical or aerobics class?

I've been doubling and even tripling up some days trying to get ready for my first Sprint Tri on Sept 14th, just started Aug 1st and so don't have much time.  I was even thinking about simulating a race by swimming, then jumping out of the pool and onto my bike, come back in and lock it up, then go run.  Bad idea or good?

Thanks for any help, opinions, and/or advice!



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2008-08-11 3:32 PM
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It is entirely possible to train all 3 or combinations of 2 a day up to a point ........ long distance and elite athletes do it all the time.

Key things to keep in mind are nutrition and rest between workouts, proper training load stresses so that you are not working the same muscle group or cardio ranges continuously, gradual increases in overall volume and intensity, step bakc weeks to allow adaptations to take place, knowing when to say "when" and back it off in workouts, etc.

It is really not something you just want to charge into, because that WILL lead to overtraining quickly.  If you have not already, I would suggest reading some of the different training plans that BT offers and see if any of those can apply to what your goals are.  Some things to ask yourself are:

Are you training for one specific race?  Are you looking for just a good workout schedule?  What is your current training load?  How much time do you have available to train, to rest, to eat?

Definitely recommend reading many of the various articles the site has and perusing the forums.  you can pick up a lot by just reading.  And if it is to overwhelming, have you thought about a coach?

2008-08-11 3:35 PM
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2008-08-11 4:02 PM
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Much of this depends on your current fitness level in the 3 events. 

One thing to remember is the total volume or distance increase guidelines.

10% increase per week is quoted for running most often.  A little more for swimming and biking.  Increasing more than that per week will drastically increase your chances of injury and overuse issues and your body will have a more difficult time recovering.

Also, don't forget to incorporate recovery weeks.  Many plans use a 3 week build and 1 week recovery with a reduction in volume on the 4th week.  Others, a 3/1.  This may vary based on your fitness level and other factors such as timeline.

Most will suggest that one rest day per week is vital.  Probably 2 or 3 days per week spread out may be good if you are just getting started. 

Transition and brick practice are important but in your case, I would wait until the about 2 weeks before your tri to incorporate them. 

2008-08-11 4:06 PM
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There's no such thing as over training. If you think you are over trained, you've actually been under training previously.
2008-08-11 4:14 PM
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I have been dealing with this lately. Youll definitely know when youre over training. Loss of sleep, getting sick, and getting moody. Just a few of the things that I was experiencing and heard that they are all cause by it. So just a little personal experience for ya.


2008-08-11 10:58 PM
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Subject: RE: How Much Training is Over-training?

Cool!

Thanks for all the advice.  I've read most of the articles on this site to include the 13 and 16 week plans, couch potato to sprint article, etc ... and increasing 10% .... but after first learning about the different distance triathlons and esp. the Sprint Tri, and researching this and other sites and reading so many articles, I got to thinking that I might could possible do a Sprint.

That was back on Aug 1st, and the bug bit me so hard that I was not willing to complete a full13 or 16 week program but instead run in the very next Sprint even in my area - which happens to be Sept 14th.  So, I had/have about 5-6 weeks to prepare.

I've been doing cardio since March, but nothing like this.  So I thought about training 2 areas in a day and even all 3 in a week or two from now ... just didn't know if this might be too much.

I have every day to train and have completely cleared my schedule so that I have from 6:30 pm to 10:00 pm every day to train, and all day long on Sat. and Sun.  I've even started biking some during my lunch break at work.

So, I guess I'll follow the advice one gave about trying to listen to what my body says and if I get sick feeling to whatever ... anyhow, I'll probably mess up something regardless being that this is my first event coming up and I'm rushing into so quickly ...

2008-08-12 12:13 AM
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ipull400watts - 2008-08-11 3:06 PM

There's no such thing as over training. If you think you are over trained, you've actually been under training previously.


You forgot the sarcasm font.

Or should I be the one using it?
2008-08-12 12:16 AM
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klowman - 2008-08-11 9:58 PM

So, I guess I'll follow the advice one gave about trying to listen to what my body says and if I get sick feeling to whatever ... anyhow, I'll probably mess up something regardless being that this is my first event coming up and I'm rushing into so quickly ...



It's better to be 20% undertrained than 5% overtrained.

I guarantee that you can finish a sprint..the question is only how long it will take you. As long as you can complete the swim in any stroke combination whatsover (and not drown), you will finish your sprint.

You are already exhibiting serious tendencies towards injury/overtraiing by considering doing 2-3 sports a day everyday when you've been training for less than 2 weeks for tris.

you only get stronger when you are resting and your muscles can rebuild.
2008-08-12 3:45 AM
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ipull400watts - 2008-08-12 9:06 AM There's no such thing as over training. If you think you are over trained, you've actually been under training previously.

Or under recovered.

It's better to be 20% undertrained than 5% overtrained.

x2. By the time you are overtrained it's too late and the recovery from that can be very long.

 

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