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Subject: T1 Question - clipless pedals

I've been using clipless for just a couple of months - SPD style with cleats mounted on my shoes.

Although I love riding with them, it's obviously very difficult to walk/run with the metal cleats sticking out of the shoes.  

I understand that many people overcome this issue in T1 by using the rubberband technique - leaving their shoes clipped into the pedals and securing them in position with rubber bands, then getting up to speed with bare feet on top of the shoes before slipping their feet into the shoes.

I have been practising this lately but underestimated how hard it would be, and I won't be confident enough before my next race this weekend to attempt it.

 So... sorry for the lengthy buildup but my question is - given that I can't use the rubberband technique, what's the best way for me to get from the bike rack to bike start? 

a. Just HTFU and run with your cleats on, stupid!

b. HTFU and run barefoot to bike start and then put the shoes on just before getting on the bike (surely not?)

c. HTFU and don't use your clipless until you can do the rubberband thingy.

d. Just HTFU and go for the rubberband technique - you have enough time before the weekend to get it down.

e.  Just HTFU in general.

f. Other

I'm just wondering if there is a consensus alternative to the Way of the Rubber Band.

Thanks!



2008-09-02 2:11 PM
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2008-09-02 2:12 PM
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Subject: RE: T1 Question - clipless pedals
Running with the cleats on hasn't been bad for me. Often T1 is in the grass. I did one race where it was on pavement and my cleats took some wear. I too have been practicing the shoe on the bike thing but my road shoes are hard to get get on that way. 
2008-09-02 2:16 PM
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Subject: RE: T1 Question - clipless pedals
danielc - 2008-09-02 2:57 PM

a. Just HTFU and run with your cleats on, stupid!

b. HTFU and run barefoot to bike start and then put the shoes on just before getting on the bike (surely not?)

c. HTFU and don't use your clipless until you can do the rubberband thingy.

d. Just HTFU and go for the rubberband technique - you have enough time before the weekend to get it down.

e. Just HTFU in general.

f. Other

I'm just wondering if there is a consensus alternative to the Way of the Rubber Band.

Thanks!


A)  This works.  this is what most people do who cant do the rubberband thing

b) NOT RECOMMENDED.  You are taking too much time on themount line and are blocking other people.  May not be against the rules, just not very considerate.

c)  clipless vs toe caps is not even an arguement, keep the clipless

d) you wont get it down in 3 days and as is quoted quite a bit on this site "NOTHING NEW ON RACE DAY"

e) we all need to

f) I use a Mountain bike shoe (Lakes), lower end so the sole is stiffer like a cycling shoe and not that much heavier.  I can run and not have to worry about damaging the cleat or the awkwardness of them.   When I dismount, Ive been working on keeping my shoes clipped in and running to T2 barefoot, so its kind of a hybrid system.  shoes on at first, and barefoot coming out.  When I get better at the rubber band trick, then Ill leave my shoes clipped in all the time, but for now, this is what works for me.  And once do I get better, Ill probably get cycling shoes and keep the MTB shoes with the MTB.

so unless you want to go out and buy some MTB shoes, I would answer A & E (not the cable network


2008-09-02 2:31 PM
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f) When I dismount, Ive been working on keeping my shoes clipped in and running to T2 barefoot, so its kind of a hybrid system.  shoes on at first, and barefoot coming out.  When I get better at the rubber band trick, then Ill leave my shoes clipped in all the time, but for now, this is what works for me.  And once do I get better, Ill probably get cycling shoes and keep the MTB shoes with the MTB.

Good idea, thanks.  Getting out of the shoes on the bike is definitely easier than getting into them for me too.

Thanks a lot to the other replies also.



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2008-09-02 2:36 PM
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Get to the race early and rack your bike close to the mount line.  Now carefully run to the mount line in your shoes and then clip in.


2008-09-02 8:31 PM
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A.

 What type of shoes are you wearing? I have a pair of Sidis with SPD-style cleats, and although I won't be sporting them in any marathons, I have no problem getting from where my bike is racked to the mount line, bike in tow, at a moderate shuffle. Especially if it's grassy.

 Also, from the perspective of a Way of the Rubber Band non-practitioner, I would offer this up: in my last race I passed two guys at the beginning of the bike who were struggling to get their bare feet into their shoes while in motion. I'm not an especially fast cyclist. This led me to the conclusion that, while there is definitely merit to the rubber band technique, you need to have it down cold going into the race. Otherwise, don't bother.

2008-09-02 8:53 PM
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x4?

Run with your cleats. You dont need to sprint...just keep moving. If you arent worried about going pro..then a few seconds here or there wont matter. Just keep moving. Jump on the bike, clip in and go. Don't stress about it.
2008-09-02 8:54 PM
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D. How long does it take to master this? Geez, I did it for the first time the day before a race, practiced for about 20 minutes, and had it mastered. Just work on it by itself and it shouldn't take very long to get it down. My T1 time the very first time I used this was 39 seconds, T2 in that race was 30 seconds.

Now my bike shoes always stay clipped in unless I have to clip out during a ride. My shoes are clipped in on every ride and I leave them on the bike when I return. I don't even use the rubber bands anymore because I can easily get into my shoes. Making this technique a part of every ride is the way to master it and keep it mastered.

2008-09-02 11:18 PM
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Donskiman - 2008-09-02 8:54 PM

D. How long does it take to master this? Geez, I did it for the first time the day before a race, practiced for about 20 minutes, and had it mastered. Just work on it by itself and it shouldn't take very long to get it down. My T1 time the very first time I used this was 39 seconds, T2 in that race was 30 seconds.

Now my bike shoes always stay clipped in unless I have to clip out during a ride. My shoes are clipped in on every ride and I leave them on the bike when I return. I don't even use the rubber bands anymore because I can easily get into my shoes. Making this technique a part of every ride is the way to master it and keep it mastered.

The thing about it that makes it so hard is that a lot of people just don't have the handling and balance.  They can practice all they want, but if they can't handle the bike well enough, or can't find very good balance, then the effort is all for nothing.  The easiest way to go through transitions this way, to grab a behind the seat bottle while still in aero, or to do anything on the bike is to ride it until you and the bike feel like one entity.

2008-09-03 12:40 AM
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im not 100% sure but my guess is the shoe choice matters alot, i mastered the run and than put my shoes on while up to speed technique in 1 day but when i chose to go clipless i made sure i bought the tri shoes with the 1 big flap, and other extras, ive seen road shoes and i cant see being able to put those on while moving. so eh ymmv


2008-09-06 12:01 PM
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ceiph - 2008-09-02 10:40 PM im not 100% sure but my guess is the shoe choice matters alot, i mastered the run and than put my shoes on while up to speed technique in 1 day but when i chose to go clipless i made sure i bought the tri shoes with the 1 big flap, and other extras, ive seen road shoes and i cant see being able to put those on while moving. so eh ymmv

I have DMT road shoes with a traditional tongue, 2 velco strap downs, and a racheted main strap. There is no way I can get my feet in those things if the are already on the bike. I just run in them and do a flying mount. Next year I'm going to get some tri specific shoes.

2008-09-06 12:19 PM
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Subject: RE: T1 Question - clipless pedals

Just Go For It!!  I decided to do a flying mount the night before a race...couldn't remember how to do the rubberband thing/didn't have any rubberbands...practiced for 10 mins...it went well except it took a few trys to get my second foot in.

Good Luck and Have Fun!!!

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