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2008-08-28 2:36 PM

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Subject: Fixer Upper Bike, Help Wanted

          Hey Guys,

    Newbie here, just started training two weeks ago, hoping to do my first tri next summer.  Looking at about 18 miles of biking.  I don't have a bike at the moment but found an old road bike of my Dad's in the garage.  Looks like it needs some gear work/replacement/installation and a little brake work.  I have no idea what it takes to fix up a bike technically and monetarily.  I'm an engineering student and a do it yourself-er so anything I can do myself I would to save money but I need some info on what I need to trust a shop to do for me and some kind of ballpark money estimate of what it would take to get this bad boy running.  If I can get it to go it would sure beat having to save for awhile to get a new bike.  Any info recomendations or insight is greatly appreciated.  If it makes any difference regarding the matter at hand I'm in the minneapolis area.  Pics are below.



2008-08-28 2:52 PM
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First, Welcome to BT! You'll find a lot of opinions, advice and banter here.

You're probably not going to like my answer, but, IMHO: You shouldn't.

Start with tires assuming you can find them in english, not metric sizes. At least $20/ea. $40
Add in new cables (4 at $5/ea) plus housing at $20 is another $40
I'm not seeing a derailleur? Assuming it's broken. Not sure you can even find one compatible, but at least $40
New chain. Again, not sure you can find one for a 5 (or 6) speed bike, but likely another $20

You're in $160 for a 30 year old bike with other problems yet unsolved before labor. Ouch...
2008-08-28 3:02 PM
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Give yourself an afternoon to work on the bike (I recently refurbished an old bike for my friend's girlfriend's son that had been neglected in a barn or garage for something like 25 years).

It probably will need a new chain (I think I see some rust spots) and cables at least.  It's hard to tell from the pictures whether there is rust elsewhere, or how the sprockets are on the chainring (where the pedals are) or cassette (rear wheel).  If you know someone with a repair stand, borrow the stand (and the friend, since most people who buy a repair stand know how to use it). There are a couple of tools you need. Chain breaker, maybe a cable cutter/crimper; the rest of the tools are more "normal" - metric allen wrenches and some adjustable wrenches will go a long way. Also, get some bike grease and chain lube. You might also want to invest in a bike repair book  There are a couple of them out there.  I have an older version of Bicycling Magazine's, but I also like Zinn's. Both are available in bookstores. First, clean off the rust spots with fine steel wool.  Then, if possible, get the bike on a stand. If you don't have access to a stand, you can use a hitch mount that holds the bike on the top tube.  If you don't have that either, work near a tree or a wall. In overview, you will want to remove and regrease the head set and fork, then the seat post.  If you have access to more tools, ideally you will remove the pedals and crank arms to repack and grease the bottom bracket.  Also you want to repack the bearings in the cassette, but if it's older than 1985, it will be hard to find the correct removal tools easily outside of a shop. If the cassette spins easily, then you are probably OK without doing this. Replace the chain using the old chain as a guide for how many links to remove (there are more technical ways to do this, but unless you are replacing the cassette or chainring, no real need to do them). Replace the cables. Don't put new crimp on's on until you have spun through all gearing combinations and are satisfied with the adjustment.  You will probably have to adjust the deraileurs both at the limit adjusting screws and with some barrel adjustments as well. It might also need new brake pads. Take the wheels off (they might also need to be re-trued) to make this job easier.  When you replace the brake cables, maek sure you adjust the fit to your liking before trimming the ends. You might or might not need to replace the cable housing during this step.  At the very lest, blow some tri-flow or wd-40 through to see if there is rust or other problems in the old housing.  If the handlebar tape is worn or cracked, you may want to re-wrap them as well. Check the tires for dry rot or problems with the inner tubes.  Put the wheels back on, and give it a quick test spin, running through the gears and brakes. You will probably also need to adjust the seat height during this process to optimize fit.

Or take $50 and a six pack to your LBS, and ask if you can hang around while they do all this the first time. 

 

ETA - I totally missed the missing derailleur in the rear.  I just thought the chain was off the cogs.  Anyway, if you undertake this, it should seen as a labor of love, or a way to learn about bike building and maintainance on a bike that you can't really ruin...



Edited by gearboy 2008-08-28 3:05 PM
2008-08-28 3:37 PM
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if i may suggest, before you invest anymoney into thisbike, does it fit you properly? take it to your local bike shop and ask. or check out sheldonbrown.com
2008-08-28 5:42 PM
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Subject: RE: Fixer Upper Bike, Help Wanted

    Thanks for all the info guys.  The more I look at the price of new bikes the more I'm thinking it might be worth fixing this one.

    As far as size goes, this was my Dad's bike years ago, he is built just like me except he's around 6'5" and I'm slightly less than that so I imagine it would fit me well.

  It looks to me like I can get it where I want it to be with new all cables, a "derailer", some brake pads, tires, and lots of grease and and cleaning.  The parts still on it all seem like they'd be good with a little grease and tune up. 

    Does the derailer in the link below look like it would fit this bike, and if so does mine take the claw or frame mount, close-up picture added for reference

http://www.sheldonbrown.com/harris/french.html#pedals

2008-08-28 5:42 PM
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I recently rehabbed an old bike for my daughter. It was in much better shape than this example as I raced it 25 years ago and took good care of it but anything that sits around for a lengthy period of time is going to need a lot. I replaced tires & tubes, cables, cassette, chain, brake handle covers, pedals, rims trued at a total cost of about $150. I thought I had put together a pretty good bike for her. She is a very good athlete (swam and ran competitively in high school) and did her first couple of sprint tri's this summer. She is also very competetive and was a bit frustrated at that the bike was just plain slow compared to even an entry level tri bike (she borrowed my wife's Quintana Roo and thought she'd gone to heaven). It got her through her first season but I fear an upgrade next year. I would expect similar sentiments from you in that any safe bike would be adequate for the first season or so but if you have any inkling that you will stick with the sport this bike will feel like an anchor. Looking at the pictures, if you decide to go with a "starter bike" I would not put the money into this one because for the price you paid for the parts you could find a much nicer, safer bike for the money.


2008-08-28 6:43 PM
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if you decide to go ahead and refurbish the bike i am sure i have aclaw style rear derailer laying around. you can have for thecost of shipping. if you are interested let me know so i can digit up. but for twenty bucks for a new one from SB you would probly be better off. let me know. send me a PM
2008-08-29 6:08 AM
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Can be a fun project with lots o' learning. 

Walmart and the big-box sporting goods stores often have 27x1.25 tires and tubes (no, they're not the best). 
Not sure if Peugeot's use a weird size tire or not, but the tubes have a schrader valve rather than a presta valve.   
You can also find a replacement chain there. 

Does the school have a cycling group?  If so, they'll be your best source for hands-on guidance. 
Take it to one or more local shops, and ask them to work with you.  They can find inexpensive chain/derailleurs. 

Cup and cone bearings aren't too mysterious, but you do need to pay attention to what you're doing.  If your dad isn't too sentimental about it,
you can take it apart to inspect bearing races, etc.  Good learning even if you discard the results.  (Buy a $4 tube of bike lube and see if you can get them cleaned
and reassembled even if you ultimately discard the frame. )

Keep in mind that this bike may have french components (french threads on the freewheel, french sizing on the bottom bracket and head tube)

Whether you ride this bike, or get something else, GET A HELMET AND WEAR IT. 

2008-08-29 6:54 AM
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I would convert it into a winter-beater single-speed. I have a stand, tools, etc..., but that would be some serious work to turn it into a reliable, multi-geared road bike.
2008-08-29 11:24 AM
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 Since the rear derailleur is missing its a perfect candidate for a fixed gear bike. I would check out a local used bike shop for needed parts and advice.
2008-08-29 12:20 PM
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My .02, turn the bike into a single-speed, I think I saw a kit on nashbar for like $20.00, train it during the winter and keep an eye for an used bike on

craigslist.org or ebay.com for something newer.

Just my opinion on what I would do on the bike



2008-08-29 1:36 PM
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i am in the process of converting a mid seventies road bike to a single speed. there is a problem with turning it into a single speed. corrrect me if i am wrong. the kits are meant for a "modern" hub that has the free wheel intigrated to the hub. with the older bikes the free wheel is in the cassette. and the cassette threads onto the hub. you can get a single speed hub that will thread on but then there is always redishing the wheel. i think you will spend much more changing to a ss than just refurbishing the bike to its original condition.
2008-08-29 4:06 PM
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I think for the money to get this one up to par, you could probably purchase a used bike that is alot newer and in good working order. 
2008-08-30 3:38 AM
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I would second Trimor's advice. Look for a used bike that is newer than this one. You should be able to find something for near what you would ultimately pay to get this to be a safe ridable multigeared bike. Turn this one in to a ss/fixie .

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2008-09-01 2:40 PM
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Find the local bike shop that has been around for 15-50 years. Maybe go on a Tuesday. Take this bike in there with you, and head towards the service area where the guys/girls who are greasy are working. Talk to them, not the sales guys. Tell them what you are trying to do. They probably have a bunch of bikes just like this hanging in the back, and boxes of old parts, too. When I worked in a shop, we never threw out any bike parts with a remote chance of ever being used again, and we took in bikes like that for 'trade-in' all the time, and kept them in the back for no good reason. We were always happy when someone like you came in because then we could justify our obsession with keeping parts.

And bike wrench folks would generally love to help you out, and understand about saving cash because they work in a bike shop for peanuts. Chances are you can walk out of there with either a used bike that has it's most important part (derailleur) or some parts for yours, and lots of help, for not much money at all.

Good luck!
2008-09-01 7:40 PM
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With all due respect to the previous posters on this thread, a lot of what you're hearing is either overly pessimistic, or just plain wrong (that bike doesn't have a cassette, for example).  Annabanana has given the best advice yet, and if you were around here you could bring it by and I'd have almost everything you need.    I have several old steel road bikes, both fixed gear and derailleur equipped.  The parts are cheap, and still pretty readily available.

That Peugeot is a pretty cool bike, and with some creative scrounging and minimal cash outlay, can make a decent road bike (yes, with multiple gears and everything).  First things first: bookmark www.nashbar.com or just google the parts and look for cheap internet sources.  You can ask for advice on the Classic & Vintage forum at www.bikeforums.net also.

Now down to specifics: that Peugeot will take a derailleur with a claw since it doesn't have a derailleur hanger. 

http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/RD300A00-Shimano+Tourney+Rd-Tx31+Rear+Derailleur.aspx

Here's one for $10 new or PM me with your address and I'll send you a used one for free.  Chain: "6-7-8" chain.

http://www.jensonusa.com/store/product/CH409A03-Kmc+Z-51+Hg++Ig+Compatible+Chain.aspx

$10 again, or get locally at Walmart.

Tires: 27" tires are readily available as cheaply as $6-10 online.  I like the Panaracer Paselas or there are lots of cheap Kenda tires available that will serve just fine -- Walmart again.

Derailleur, tires, and chain are the things that bike pretty much has to have.  Everything else, even cables, can stay, if they're not rusted.  The bike looks relatively clean so they may be fine.  Spray WD-40 down them, read www.sheldonbrown.com for advice on how to install and adjust everything, and ride it!  If you're going to be an engineer, this should be right up your alley. 



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