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2008-09-11 12:34 AM

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I ran tonight. At night.

Done with that.

I live out in the country on the side of a mountain, which is perfect. I :heart: it very, very much. But at night, it is dark. Really dark. And we have bears. Bears are cool...at a distance. Deer are, too...at a distance. Same with coyotes. And fox. And every other thing that my brain came up with within 30 seconds of heading out.

I also noticed that physically, the run was he!!. I had a lot of trouble relaxing, which of course was jacking up my heart rate, made breathing hard, and tensed up my shoulders/neck. But even once I relaxed, I could NOT get into decent form. Every step felt so jarring, my feet felt like they were at the weirdest angles, and my tendons in my feet which haven't given me trouble in two weeks started making themselves known. Even my knee started hurting!

I realized just how much we rely on our sight. Every uphill was a surprise, every downhill was a bit odd, even the turns came up kind of suddenly. I've run this route probably ten times before, and I knew where I was and kept thinking, "Oh yeah, I know it goes uphill here," but that was after I had ground to a near-halt and had to kick it up again. I think not being able to see was what messed with my form, too.

Sigh. Anyone else sworn off of nighttime running? I adore running at sunrise, in pre-dawn and dawn, but I think this was the first time I'd ever run with nothing but moonlight filtered through the trees (and my headlamp, of course). Hiking at night is cool, but running? Been there, done that, off the list.


2008-09-11 12:49 AM
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That just sounds dangerous. I've ran at night a time or two, but it was just a 1.2 circle around my old neighborhood that was very well-lit. I highly doubt I would even consider running in pitch black darkness around a mountain.

Maybe if I was drunk.
2008-09-11 12:52 AM
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I love running around dusk or dawn, but usually run at night, especially hours before midnight. Since my area is barely lit and hilly, it definitely feels different when running, especially going downhill. I'm at the very least not fond of downhill runs since I get to be very cautious if I'm going to step wrong or trip face first. Now that you think about it, having close to zero vision sight while running is like being blindfolded. When you only see dark/blindfolded, your brain tend of be off, unable to focus on one focal point to keep your body balanced. I'm assuming that's why it might fair difficult to run at night, unable to keep a proper form.


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2008-09-11 12:59 AM
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I thought this thread would have some good pics. ***walks away disappointed***
2008-09-11 5:08 AM
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Owing to my odd work/sleep schedule (I am an emergency veterinarian, I work all-night shifts and because of this I have sort of a vampire sleeping schedule even when not working), I run at night a lot, probably 80-90% of the time. 

I really like it for a lot of reasons.  You avoid the heat of the day and virtually all traffic (I wear a bright orange LED armband for safety), there are no visual distractions, the wife and kids are home in bed so I'm not sacrificing quality time, and you aren't thinking of 100 other things you should be doing because the rest of the world is also sleeping (can't really go to the bank, or make phone calls, or mow the lawn, or clean the house without waking the kids, etc etc).

There are a few things I don't care for, of course.  Really dark, moonless nights where I can't see the road well (also not much lighting where I run, live outside city limits right by a big lake) and risk turning an ankle on a tree branch or rock that has made its way onto the road, a half-dozen dogs in the area who are not confined and come out chasing/barking and scare the crap out of me at times and threaten to nail my ankles (I'm not afraid of mean/aggressive dogs whatsoever, owing to my profession, but thanks to my iPod I usually don't hear them until they are on my heels, which gives your heart a jump no matter who you are!), occasionally sudden loud noises from the woods/lots lining the streets (probably mainly deer that I spook), webs from uber-ambitious spiders obviously hoping against hope to catch themselves a runner, and inhaling the occasional flying insect (seems much worse at dusk than after dark).

But, overall,  I appreciate the quality training time and I wouldn't get to run as much as I do if I were confined to a 9-to-5 job and daylight running.

Don't give up on it so quickly.  Watch the weather and moon phases, you'd be surprised how bright it gets in the middle of a clear night when the moon is full or nearly so.  Once your eyes adjust you can see the road pretty darned well.  Also, run the exact same route every single time and you'll quickly learn all the nuances of the road - dips in the pavement, potholes and other hazards, areas where you are more likely to encounter tree limbs and rocks, etc.  You can quickly drive your running route before going to inspect the road for rock/branch hazards and clear them - I sometimes do this after a windy day/thunderstorm, as most of my route has large overhanging trees and the road may be littered with branches.  You can also carry a bright flashlight on a belt (small AA-powered Maglight isn't very heavy and surprisingly bright, and usually come with their own nylon belt-loop holder), so if you do encounter a freaky situation you can quickly shine some light on it.  Consider carrying pepper spray as well, esp. if you are worried about bears.  The first time one of these dogs lays a tooth on me I'll be picking up a can and painting their corneas with it next time 'round.   

Wondering why you had so much trouble seeing the road if you were wearing a headlamp???  I don't wear one at all - would be pretty uncomfortable to me, and your eyes can never adjust to the dark if you are wearing one.   Might eat fewer spiderwebs, though. 

 

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2008-09-11 5:13 AM
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FWIW my wife also refuses to run after dark.  Says it freaks her out.  I can understand - if it freaked me out, I probably wouldn't do it either.  'Course I'm 6-3 and 210# of hairy, sweaty manhood so I don't have the added worry of some dude carrying me off into the woods or stuffing me into the back of his van. 

My running form at night is essentially the same as it is during the day, I'm just slightly more hesitant on my turnarounds and in little stretches that are known for branches/rocks or uneven pavement.

Chris



2008-09-11 6:53 AM
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I run at night sometimes also. I used to use a red LED flasher so people can see me. I currently wear my roadID (reflective band), a 5 led cheap headlight, and sometimes an flourescent yellow visibility vest. I normally don't have my headlight on except for when a car is comming. I also use it to attempt to stop dogs. Some dogs will stop when the LED is shined in their face. The only issues I have running at night are dogs (not too bad just scary) and pot holes. When cars come close sometimes it is hard for me to keep footing on the birm so I have to slow down.

I like night running for the same reasons the other people have such as cooler temps, quiet and peacefulness, and no schedule conflicts. The only thing I have to watch is not running too late because it will get into my sleep time which is important to let your body continue to build. After a hard night run sometimes it is harder to fall asleep.
2008-09-11 8:31 AM
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As long as you don't behave like prey, you'll probably be alright.  Handheld lights are better for seeing than headlamps as they'll provide contrast and you can point them where you want to see.  Figure out how to be noisy while running.  Your much less likely to encounter wild animals if they can hear you coming.  

 It sounds like it might be difficult, but find a workout partner for your night runs.  They'll make you feel safer.

2008-09-11 8:43 AM
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I ran 8 miles last night and knew I would probably catch some duskiness towards the end. But it got darker earlier than I expected - or at least, the darkness came very quickly. Parts of the trail are more well-lit than others - some sections have streetlamps, some do not. I was HAULING a$$ the last 2 miles! Unfortunately, I'm going to have to run in the dark from now on. The darkness wasn't so bad for the actual running part, but it was disconcerting not being able to see other people on the trails (who didn't have any lights with them). Obviously, I will bring my headlamp next time for visibility. But running in the dark creeps me out anyway, since I live in a fairly urban area and I'm a small girl. But I don't have much of a choice.
2008-09-11 9:49 AM
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I think you can get a bear bell to help scare away bears! Saw it on a camping show.
2008-09-11 10:48 AM
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tabbs - 2008-09-11 7:49 AM

I think you can get a bear bell to help scare away bears! Saw it on a camping show.


My father, who lives in serious bear country, refers to these as dinner bells.
He does what the local park rangers do and carries a big ole can of pepper spray.



2008-09-11 10:57 AM
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I used to run at night and before dawn when we lived in a suburban neighborhood with lights.  Since we moved out to the country I just can't do it.  My closest neighbor is 1/4 mile away and he only has a tiny security light.  There are lots of critters lurking out in the corn.  I don't think I'll be up for running in the dark any time soon.  I guess you could get a headlamp, but I don't know how much that would help. 
2008-09-11 11:14 AM
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I live on the edge of town, a suburban area surrounded by farms and pastures.  Because of my work/commute hours (leave house at 5:30am, return at 6:45pm) all of my weekday runs take place either partially or entirely in the dark, except for a few months during the summer.  I have two choices - run in the dark, or don't run.  Well I guess there's a third choice, run on the treadmill at the gym, but I'd rather poke my eyes out with sharp sticks than spend more than 20 minutes on that thing.  Anyway, I try to stick to well-lit, familiar streets, I always tell my husband where I'm going and when I expect to be back, and I always maintain awareness of my surroundings.
2008-09-11 11:18 AM
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My wife doesn't like when I run at night because she worries, but I like it.

The only real "scare" I've had at night was one time when I decided to leave my car at work and then ride home with my wife, with the plan on running back across town later in the evening to pick it up. I got sidetracked, and ended up leaving late and running in the dark. Our neighborhood is nice, and the neighborhood I work in is nice, but a few of the blocks in between are not so nice. I actually think I scared a lady that was walking more than anybody scared me. I tried to be loud running up behind her so I didn't scare her, but I think the sight of man basically sprinting down the completely dark street at that point scared the crap out of her. I think she was looking around to see who was chasing me or what I was running from. The expression on her face as I passed her was absolutely priceless.
2008-09-12 2:02 AM
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crkoester - 2008-09-11 6:08 AM

I really like it for a lot of reasons.  You avoid the heat of the day and virtually all traffic (I wear a bright orange LED armband for safety), there are no visual distractions, the wife and kids are home in bed so I'm not sacrificing quality time, and you aren't thinking of 100 other things you should be doing because the rest of the world is also sleeping (can't really go to the bank, or make phone calls, or mow the lawn, or clean the house without waking the kids, etc etc).

Yeah, this is what I was hoping for. Peaceful, quiet, contemplative, rejuvenating. I have had some absolutely amazing night hikes, and I really enjoy them. This was really different.

I think the vision problem was two-fold. The light from the headlamp kept getting obscured by my breath (it was about 40ish degrees out), so a handheld would have been better. Also, the route is in and out of trees, so I couldn't get my night vision. I had my headlamp off during every open spot, and those were far and away the best. If I could have run out in/next to fields, I think it would have been fantastic. The moon was plenty bright enough.

About the animals: I went out to harvest some veggies from my backyard the next morning. Something Substantial had helped itself to quite a salad. I'm quite sure it was a deer. Yep, sure was. Deer don't bite people, so it must have been a deer.

Finally, I could NOT help wondering what roadkill I was running on/over. Um, ick. Lots of chipmunks, squirrels, toads, etc. get squashed on that road good and flat. Ew.

Fortunately, I work nights, so I get to play in the light all year long. It's one of the very few advantages of night work, so I'm sticking with it! I'm just glad to know others have similar problems. Wish I could join those of you who get to enjoy it.
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Slugger - 2008-09-12 2:02 AM
Finally, I could NOT help wondering what roadkill I was running on/over. Um, ick. Lots of chipmunks, squirrels, toads, etc. get squashed on that road good and flat. Ew.

I nearly ran over an armadillo while running 2 weeks ago.  I don't think they have very good vision OR hearing - I'm glad he was in a semi-lighted yard and I saw him coming.  I also came within a few inches of crushing a toad last week.  I would have felt pretty bad about that. 

A good Southern joke for everyone's Halloween repertoire:

"Why did the chicken cross the road?  To show the armadillo that it could be done!"

(Up north just substitute "raccoon" for armadillo).

 

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tabbs - 2008-09-11 10:49 AM

I think you can get a bear bell to help scare away bears! Saw it on a camping show.


Dinner Bells. Bears are curious, bells are not a natural sound. you running by is more likely to scare off a bear.

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KML - 2008-09-12 3:57 AM  Dinner Bells. Bears are curious, bells are not a natural sound. you running by is more likely to scare off a bear. Kevin

 But coming around a corner and surprising them is likely to get you hurt.  Running into them with a bicycle does seem to scare them off though.  Never thought of that one.  Doubt I'll try it.

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