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2009-08-08 8:39 AM

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Subject: Motobecane & bikesdirect.com
This is me: New road rider, one time sprint triathlete, 3 more to go this season, BOP/MOP looking for a road bike for 1K or less (have hybrid).

Anyone ever purchase from BikesDirect.com? I know I can't ride it before I buy but I can return it for full refund (less my return shipping). I can get this 09 Motobecane Gigi Pro made with far superior components for the same price I can get a Trek 1.2 or Specialized Dolce...

http://www.bikesdirect.com/...obecane/gigi_pro.htm

I know everyone talks about fit but there aren't that many options for decent road bikes in my price range(1K), it seems to be either Trek 1.2 or Specialized Dolce and the fit doesn't feel that dramatically different on each. I guess maybe because I'm fairly new to road riding? But in any case is there really a big risk ordering online at this level as long as I am following their fit recommendations? My boyfriend is great with bikes and can't true a wheel, bleed breaks etc. so he can put it together (just attaching handle bars, tires and seat to frame)

And, can't I take it to a LBS to have the bike specially fitted to me once I get it or will the only work on brand their shop sells?


2009-08-08 9:11 AM
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Rather than spending 1K on a questionable quality new bike (my opinion -- I have seen a few and wasn't impressed), I'd be looking for a used bike.  You should be able to get a pretty decent used bike for that price.  At the very least, you should be able to get better than the 105 components that come on the 'motobecane'.

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1.  Yes, your LBS should be willing to work on just about anything.  By the way, if you are planning to use them for your regular maintenance and/or fitting, you should really consider buying from them.  Most LBS will throw in a pretty sweet fitting and/or maintenance deal with a new bike.  Could SAVE you money in the end.

2.  It will soon be a very good time of year to buy a used bike.

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2009-08-08 9:51 AM
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2 options come to mind for me:

1) go to your LBS in a few weeks - the new models will be coming out, and you could get a sweet deal on this year's model. Contrary to what the bike manufacturers would have you believe by their ads, bikes have had round wheels and pedals and such for an awfully long time.

2) figure out what you want and go to eBay. Everyone will soon be looking to upgrade to next year's new jewelry or realize that tri's are not for them, making a glut of good stuff available.
2009-08-08 10:59 AM
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Good questions....

Bikesdirect.com has been around a long time, and Motobecase has as well. The motobecane frames are rebadged frames from overseas (speculation is that they're rebadged fuji's), but in either case, are of decent quality. The component spec on the bikes cannot be beat.

I know many folks that have bought motobecanes here and been very happy. I don't see either Motobecane or Bikesdirect.com as a showstopper.  I also have considered buying a bike myself JUST for the components; the full-bike price here isn't too far off the gruppo price from nashbar/performance. 

As far as your LBS, they will certainly work on any bike you bring them. If they don't, they're not worth their weight - get another shop. Plus, there's nothing on this build that's specific to Motobecane (unless it's a funky headset or BB), and any shop should be able to work on a Shimano build very easily.

The posters above also make a good point; a used bike that's been maintained will be another option worth looking at. Obviously, it'll be hit-or-miss what kind of bike and what deal.  Also a previous year's model (new) leftover at the LBS will give you good value, but again, that's hit-or-miss.

Lastly, at this time of year, especially in the north, you should expect DEEP discounts from your LBS, as they'll be looking to dump their inventory before winter sets in and they're stuck carrying the bike all winter. Negotiate like you mean it.

2009-08-08 11:08 AM
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2009-08-08 11:27 AM
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Subject: RE: Motobecane & bikesdirect.com
Ive never heard a complaint about motobecane except from people who havent owned one.

The only thing is , the "groupset" they usually advertise is a little misleading. Just read the fine print. Sometimes "Ultegra" just means ultegra rear derailieur, and other parts are other brands.

Overall, they seem to be a good value.


2009-08-08 1:44 PM
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I bought my bike from them, well technically sportymamabikes.com, but same people and same bikes. I only spent $500 because I didn't have the cash to buy a good used bike...as much as I hate to say it, I used a credit card. Plus, I checked Craigslist for weeks and never came across anything decent. I took my bike to the LBS for a tune-up, bought clipless pedals and gloves from them and they've never made any snide comments (I was half expecting). I ride with women who spent $1,200 at the same LBS and have no trouble keeping up. The fastest woman in our group rides the Motobecane she bought from bikesdirect.com.  I bought the Dawes Lightening 1500--it came with aerobars but I have yet to install them (bought the bike in April). So, I think for poor peoples like me, it is a viable option. And...no, I haven't been fitted but it fits just fine and even the seat is super comfy.
2009-08-08 3:49 PM
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Hey,

I've been a lurker here for about a month, and I'm honestly a little hesitant to post, because I've seen people jump all over first time posters when bikesdirect is involved... but I figured I'd through caution to the wind, and give you my .02.

I was recently in a similar situation to you... I had checked out my LBS, and honestly, they wanted almost msrp on their bikes! It really just seemed to me that they had this "take it or leave it" attitude, and really didn't even try to sell the bike... it was like "here is our entry level road bike" and walked off! Everything I read on here had people getting good deals on their bikes @ the LBS, or from craigslist/ebay, but I couldn't find anything...plus I just don't know enough about bikes to be able to tell if I was getting a good deal on a used one.

I also had a few hundred bucks in my paypal account from buying/selling misc stuff on ebay, so I ended up deciding on the Mercier Aero TT from bikesdirect (had to throw in some extra $$). I'm fairly certain that all the bikes on there are made in the same factory, whether it's a motobecane or mercier, or whatever. I'll give you the pros/cons as I see it (from a newbies eyes).

Pros
Inexpensive
Fast shipping. I ordered it, about 30 min later had the UPS ground tracking #.
"Free" Clipless pedals and Aero bars
Seems like a solid bike. It isn't as nice looking as others I've seen, but the quality of the frame to me is pretty good...at least for my first bike.

Cons
There seems to be A LOT of welds on it... I suspect it's because it's cheaper to have someone weld all these pieces together than to actually create the tools and forge some of the pieces so they are solid. I don't think this really affects performance or reliability, it's more of a looks thing to me

Mine came with Tiagra shifters, that I think were made for a bike that has 3 sprockets in the front, not two... so I have to shift twice to move the chain to my big sprocket... Or am I just an idiot and I'm doing something wrong?

The "Free" aero bars and pedals aren't the best quality...not bad, but I suspect I'm going to wear out the pedals (they are welgo?). You get what you pay for I guess.

You have to put it together yourself... which isn't bad, but then you have to figure out how to adjust everything and fit yourself to the bike...which I'll be honest, I didn't think it was going to be that hard, but I've had the bike for 2 weeks now and I'm still noodling with it!


Overall, I'd recommend them for someone like me who can put it together and doesn't mind tweaking it here or there... if you have the cash, and don't want to mess around, then LSB is the way to go.

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2009-08-08 3:59 PM
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My riding buddy bought a Windsor Knight from them w/ full Ultegra for $900 from them.  He loves it, has put many trouble free miles on it and I know he is very happy with his purchase experience.  The only thing I can say from going over his bike is, the frame is a little clunky/heavy, his 54cm bike weighs in a good pound or two more then my 58cm Trek 1500. 
2009-08-08 7:01 PM
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People on this forum are usually pretty balanced about motobecane/bikesdirect.  If you want to see some real hatin' check out someplace like bikeforums.net.

I got a killer deal on a Ti frame Motobecane last year with all Ultegra, probably about half the price of a comparable Litespeed and I suspect if I took the decals & badges off it would be hard to tell the difference (I'm sure Litespeed owners will disagree, but...).  The components on their bikes are mostly name brand, and they're very explicit on the website about what you get.  Plus I just felt a lot better about getting a brand-new bike from a real business than buying used where I didn't know the bike's history or the seller's.

You do have to do a little building when the bike arrives.  As I recall, I had to do the following when I got the bike:

  • Install stem on steerer post (fork was already installed)
  • Install handlebars
  • Install brakes (I'm pretty sure I had to do the front, don't remember if the back was already on or not--and both cables were already run, I just had to bolt the brake to the frame)
  • Install seatpost in frame
  • Install wheels (& adjust brakes)
  • Install pedals
  • Tweak derailleurs, but not very much

Took about half an hour.  If you're hesitant about it I imagine you could get a shop to do it for a nominal fee (unless they're the kind of snobby shop that turns up their nose at "internet bikes," in which case I think you want to find another shop anyway)

So count me as a happy BD customer, and as Ranger5 said, I can't remember hearing from an unhappy one.   I think several years ago when they were first getting started they may have had some problems with frame quality and some really significant problems with getting the right components or being assembled properly, but I believe they sorted those problems out a long time ago--what you get from them now is generally exactly what the website says, and the build that they do is done correctly.

For Aaron, my Ultegra shifters work the same way.  I think if you have a triple that gets you the middle ring, but on a double you use it to "trim" the derailleur so if you're a little cross-chained you can adjust the front derailleur in or out a little bit to keep it quiet.

 

 



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2009-08-08 8:35 PM
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I have a couple of bikes (actually, I sort of have a bike problem, but that is another post), but not any BD bikes, but I would get one without a second thought. The guy who owns the company.... his wife races ultra-adventure races on his bikes. I've seen the BD titanium bikes up close and they are sweet. Great welding quality (and I have a degree in metallurgy, and used to work in an aerospace welding factory, so feel qualified to have an opinion on this). If you send Mike an email, or put a post up in the Motobecane forum on RoadBikeReview.com, you will get all the fit help you ever wanted, from some pretty experienced bikers. Bottom line, if someone asks me how to get into a bike for $800 I tell them get lucky and locate a used bike that you can see first hand before you buy it, or go BikesDirect. Happy trails.

Edited by jsselle 2009-08-08 8:36 PM


2009-08-08 10:02 PM
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I have a Motobecane Nemesis tri bike and it has been great. Components are top quality and worth the price of the bike. I bought mine several years ago and am very pleased. I've done many tri's including several half IM's and an IM and am training for another IM all with this bike.

They are very specific on their website what their components are...I think they have an "upgraded" version available now.

My LBS did the needed assembly for under a $100.


2009-08-08 10:25 PM
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I bought my Trek 1500 SLR (New) for a $1,000 bucks from a local bike shop.    It is a great entry level bike that I use for road and tris.  It's all aluminum except for carbon fork and carbon seat post, Ultegra rear derailer, 105 shifters, 105 triple crank and 105  front derailer.  I put Profile Jammer GT bars on it and replaced the tires with 23CM hard case Bontraggers.

During my most recent race in Rancho Seco, I was quite pleased riding right past some people on $6,000+ bikes.






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2009-08-08 10:46 PM
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MKAH - 2009-08-08 11:25 PM

I bought my Trek 1500 SLR (New) for a $1,000 bucks from a local bike shop.    It is a great entry level bike that I use for road and tris.  It's all aluminum except for carbon fork, Ultegra rear derailer, 105 shifters, 105 triple crank and 105  front derailer.  I put Profile Jamer GT bars on it and replaced the tires with 23CM hard case Bontraggers.

During my most recent race in Rancho Seco, I was quite pleased riding right past some people on $6,000+ bikes.






Looks like a great bike. There are other bikes in that price range that would be good bikes as well. However, when I did my research to buy my bike the components of the Motobecane Nemesis are what set it apart. 105 components (like those on your bike and bikes in this price range) are good but Ultegra and Dura Ace are significantly better.

2009-08-08 11:23 PM
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X2 on the Nemesis . . . I no longer have mine but for the $ nothing out there could beat it. Not even close. Another good friend rides one of their road bikes and has been very happy with it for years. Agreed that the only ones who generally dis bikes direct . . . are those who haven't dealt with them, LBS owners or others who feel they have to dis the ride because they paid twice as much for the components.

2009-08-09 3:26 AM
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I was lucky enough to live in a city with a bikes direct lbs.  I was able to check out the bike before I bought it and i'm still happy.  Two years and two IM's down and not a single regret about going the BD route.  There is nothing inferior about the bikesdirect bikes.  There are people who will snerk at you but there are idiots like that everywhere.  Ride what fits and what you can afford. 

 



2009-08-09 7:36 AM
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OK, then I take back what I said -- if all these people like the bikes, then you should believe them, not me.

I stand by the other things I said -- I do think you should consider a used bike, and I do think LBS might be cheaper in the long run if you're going to use them for maintenance and fitting.
2009-08-09 7:40 AM
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I ride my long rides with a friend who has a Motobecon.  He absolutely loves it.  Seems to be a very good bike.  I went through Bikesdirect.com for a very entry level road bike for my daughter and was very happy with it.  No tax, no shipping and very quick delivery.  I am pretty much a mechanical moran and was able to assemble myself.  Did take it into bike shop for a tune up and for them to dial everything in.  She just rode that bike to a first place age group finish at her first sprint tri.

2009-08-09 9:20 AM
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They're reasonable quality bikes, but their advertising/marketing leave a really bad taste in my mouth--the purchasing of old brand names, inflated MSRPs to "compare" to, etc. The fact that they list a 105-equipped bike with an Ultegra rear derailleur under their "Ultegra" bikes, for instance, is a little sleazy.

As for the brand names, they've purchased the brand license legitimately, but they're about as affiliated with the real Motobecane, the French company that made some really fine bikes back in the day, as I am. To me, that's a little sleazy.

I've voiced these opinions on other forums (BF.net) and have been personally harrassed via PMs from the owner of the company, so no, I'm not going to be lining up to recommend their bikes to anyone even though they are of decent quality.

Whether any of that stuff matters to you is another question, but having bought a BD mountain bike for tooling around, I find myself wishing I had either gone for the cheaper components or just spent more at my LBS. Not a quality thing again, just a principle/vote with my wallet kind of thing.



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2009-08-09 12:36 PM
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DrPete - 2009-08-09 7:20 AM

They're reasonable quality bikes, but their advertising/marketing leave a really bad taste in my mouth--the purchasing of old brand names, inflated MSRPs to "compare" to, etc. The fact that they list a 105-equipped bike with an Ultegra rear derailleur under their "Ultegra" bikes, for instance, is a little sleazy.

As for the brand names, they've purchased the brand license legitimately, but they're about as affiliated with the real Motobecane, the French company that made some really fine bikes back in the day, as I am. To me, that's a little sleazy.

I've voiced these opinions on other forums (BF.net) and have been personally harrassed via PMs from the owner of the company, so no, I'm not going to be lining up to recommend their bikes to anyone even though they are of decent quality.

Whether any of that stuff matters to you is another question, but having bought a BD mountain bike for tooling around, I find myself wishing I had either gone for the cheaper components or just spent more at my LBS. Not a quality thing again, just a principle/vote with my wallet kind of thing.



Excellent post.  This aspect of the bikesdirect business doesn't sit well with me either.  In addition to the above, they go to the extent of creating "manufacturer websites" (cyclesmercier.com, motobecane.com etc) and linking to them as though they were pointing to info from an outside source.  It seems as though the only reason for the websites to exist is to be able to establish their "MSRP" that they use as a baseline to set their prices.

An ebay listing for a Mercier bike used to scream something like, "LANCE RODE A MERCIER IN HIS FIRST BIKE RACE!" even though as Dr. Pete says, the Mercier Lance may have used has no relation to the one they have slapped the name onto and are selling today.  I'm not sure if they are still using that claim in their ads.

I own and ride a bikesdirect bike.  As far as the bike itself is concerned, it's been great.  I've had it for 18 months without any real problems, and I love it.  I recommend it to people who ask, and point them to the bikesdirect website, with an explanation of what the owners are really selling.

I knew what I was getting when I bought the bike, and I was OK with that.  I just wish they would trade off of what they are actually selling - I think they would do at least as well as they are now.

The more I think about it, the more I think I would vote with my wallet next time as per Pete, and look somewhere else.  That said, I don't think anyone who buys from them will be disappointed with what they get in their bike box.


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2009-08-09 5:33 PM
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I don't own/ride a BD bike, but having seen their website and the numerous good-excellent reviews given by satisfied customers as of late (wasn't like this several years back, though), I'd be ok with buying a BD bike.


Their websites is very honest & upfront about what components & specs you're getting, and provide detailed pictures as well of the bike from numerous angles. I haven't heard too many (any?) complaints of them not shipping what was promised in the spec. Actually, the spec sheets they list are more detailed than most major bike manufacturers provide.

It's hard to me to come down on BD for sleazy marketing when they provide more detailed info on their bikes than most other companies do, without extra click-thrus. I do agree though, that they could go easier on the self-promotion of what great deals their bikes allegedly are (compare to .....)  and just let the prices and quality speak for themselves.



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I purchased my Nemesis in July of 2008 and love it. To date I have over 1600 miles on it and I love it.

I went to the LBS to purchase a bike and showed them what I was looking at online. They told me that was a good deal and buy a newer frame from them in a couple of years. I was sold after that. When I received the bike there was a problem with the seat. I freaked out thinking crap I purchased something online and now will never get support on it. So I sent an email to bikesdirect and received a call the next day. Turned out that I did not look close enough and everything was fine with my bike.

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PlaywithZoe - 2009-08-08 9:39 AM This is me: New road rider, one time sprint triathlete, 3 more to go this season, BOP/MOP looking for a road bike for 1K or less (have hybrid).

Anyone ever purchase from BikesDirect.com? I know I can't ride it before I buy but I can return it for full refund (less my return shipping). I can get this 09 Motobecane Gigi Pro made with far superior components for the same price I can get a Trek 1.2 or Specialized Dolce...

http://www.bikesdirect.com/...obecane/gigi_pro.htm

I know everyone talks about fit but there aren't that many options for decent road bikes in my price range(1K), it seems to be either Trek 1.2 or Specialized Dolce and the fit doesn't feel that dramatically different on each. I guess maybe because I'm fairly new to road riding? But in any case is there really a big risk ordering online at this level as long as I am following their fit recommendations? My boyfriend is great with bikes and can't true a wheel, bleed breaks etc. so he can put it together (just attaching handle bars, tires and seat to frame)

And, can't I take it to a LBS to have the bike specially fitted to me once I get it or will the only work on brand their shop sells?


FWIW, my wife just order the Gigi from BD yesterday. After doing many searches online and visits to LBS's, we decided on this bike. I will also mention that I considered BD, when I was shopping for my bike about 5 months ago, but ended up going with a demo bike from a LBS.

I paid $700 for a demo bike (slightly used, but looked brand new). It was a Specialized Allez. It came with Sora FD and shifters and Tiagra RD. This bike was $800 new in 2 of the LBS, so I thought $700 was a good deal.

We went to 3 LBS for my wife, and there cheapest road bike was over $700 and was equipped with Sora/2200 components and some didn't have a carbon fork, which I think is a must, especially if your going spend that kind of money.

The Gigi @ $695, has carbon fork, carbon seatpost, Tiagra shifters and FD with Ultegra RD (which I believe I heard is really the most important component). It also has the "flight deck"? shifters I think their called where to both down and up shift it's the finger click, versus the "thumb button"? that my bike has. I'd rather have the "finger click" shifting versus the "finger click/thumb button".

Alledgedly, the bike only weighs 18 lbs, which is very light.

Other than not being able to ride it, we just didn't see a downside to this bike versus what we were seeing in our price range at the LBS's.  So, we ordered it. I do plan on assembling it, but I will take it to the LBS for truing of wheels and giving it good "look over" to make sure it's set up right. This should cost about $40.

So, we'll have about $740 into this bike. A similar bike in the LBS's we visited with all that's mentioned above would have been minimum $1000-$1300.

The other factor we considered is that my wife has been riding a 20 year old relatively heavy road bike that is way to big for her. So, any bike is going to feel like night and day for her. And at $695, just like the entry level road bikes, if my wife continues with tri's, we won't think twice about replacing it if needed/wanted in 3-5 years.  I guess what I am saying is that I'm not expecting it to last 20 years (although it very well could).

Just my .02.
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