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2008-05-23 10:07 AM |
Veteran 377![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: Mental DissentigrationI did my first 70.3 in Clermont FL last year, 7:00:02, and I was fatty to say the least, and really not ready at all. But, I caught the bug, and really buckled down and put the woprk in. I rode a few century rides, ran every event that came along, and even did a 1/2 Mary at Gasparilla in 1:41 (7:33mm) I completed the BT'ers full iron plan (140.6) in preperation for my the Disney 70.3 and well..... 7:18:04 (but this time I was actuyally in shape) Saturdsay night, after setting up transition and everything, I got overwhelmed, felt intimidated, and could hardley sleep. My swim was 52 minutes, I have trained extensively and even practiced the distance open water several times, and I was looking for 36-40 min on that swim. Settling into the swim is hard for some reason. I have done some risky open water, fearful of predators and everything swims. my bike average should have easily been 18, and I was hoping to see 20's with it only being 56, and it came in at 16.4 my run plan was 10 flat at the slowest, and I came up with 13's. yes, lots of stuff happened, heat, lost track of nutrition plan and hydration, and all that-- but it was all proceeded with mental undermining of myself. My fitness is in place, and now I plan to refine it. I have done 30 miles runs, 100 mile bikes, and over 5 miles swims, and tons of bricks.... its not a physical thingy at this point. As I continue my road to iron, Clermont Great Floridian in Oct, I share these thoughts in hope for some response, or ideas for what I can do as I continue to prevent this from happening to me again. FF Edited by flyinfree 2008-05-23 10:08 AM |
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2008-05-23 10:23 AM in reply to: #1421288 |
Elite 3687![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationSorry to hear about the rough race. With everything you had done are you sure you just wern't tired as heck and over-trained? |
2008-05-23 10:27 AM in reply to: #1421288 |
Expert 762![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Missouri | Subject: RE: Mental Dissentigrationflyinfree, Hmm. . well I would say stick with it. I am not sure your background in triathlon, swimming, cycling or running, but it does take time. Also, I don't see that you track your workouts in your training logs, so it can be hard for us to comment on training without knowing what you do. I know you said you did the BT Full Iron plan and that is fine, but we can't see actual time in the saddle, mph, yards put in etc. . . I think a big part is just what your post says. . mental. If you can run a 1:41 half marathon, then you should be able to put together a decent 1/2 Iron. . .but 1/2 Irons are hard. . there is no doubt about that. At some point you need to enjoy pain in your training. . be at peace with the suffering and just understand that it is always going to hurt. . then you will be able to push through it and then things will actually get easier and more fun. I use to hate running. . but I have found that I just need to suck up and run faster and I have been dropping my training runs froma 9:30 pace to around a 8:30 pace. . not because I got stronger all of a sudden, just because I am learning to deal with the pain. . and I am not a good runner that is obvious. I am not sure there is a magical peice of advice that someone can give you. Just stick with it and see how you progress from year to year. . this sport is all about the base miles that you put in year after year. . eventually it all pays off. Good luck. Jared |
2008-05-23 11:20 AM in reply to: #1421288 |
Master 1404![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Atlanta, Ga | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationSame type of thing happened to me two weeks ago at Gulf Coast. If it could go wrong, it did go wrong.. 'mentally' for me. This is what makes triathlon great though. I overheard another guy talking to someone else who was having trouble, all on the run, and he said.. if this was always easy, we would't keep coming back. Those few words made my day, because they are the absolute truth. Thing is, you can think you are ready, then have a bad race, or think you are completely unpreparred, and have the race of a lifetime. There is no telling. Any given Sunday, or 'raceday', is as true for Triathlon, as it is for football, or any sport for that matter. Just be confident in yourself. Good days will come. |
2008-05-23 11:50 AM in reply to: #1421288 |
Champion 10471![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationI do better at a race when I just let is all go. I let go of the time goals, the idea of "I must do X"... and I just race. I do what I can and see what happens. When I have done that, I've had the best race. Why not stop thinking so much and just go race? Think about how lucky you are to be there racing. Think about enjoying the day. And just do what feels good and let it all go. |
2008-05-23 4:21 PM in reply to: #1421288 |
Veteran 377![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Mental Dissentigrationwow! these are soem really great reswponses so far. relax, willing to suffer, life time sport, etc..... any tricks for doin that? I do realize that "willing to suffer" is a training mantra I use alot, and ity never came to mind once during Orlando, probably because I wasn't relaxed, and was trying to make it "the best" race of my life... ahhahhahaaaa IRONMAN is way spiritual. Lots of observers think e are all just vanity, ego, and pride, but IRONMAN runs waaaaay deeper than that. FF |
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2008-05-23 10:06 PM in reply to: #1422345 |
Expert 762![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Missouri | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationThere are not any tricks. . . as the saying goes "if it were easy, everyone would do it" . Nothing about Ironman is easy.. Even for the guys/gals that go 9 hours or faster. . . It is still hard for them, just as it is hard for us. I wish there was something we could say and just make it all better, but there is not. Train, Eat right, rest, sleep, train, repeat. . Oh yeah, and have a job, family, friends, etc. . Ironman is spiritual and/or mental. . . It is a LONG day. . . you are there with just yourself, you have to convince yourself that you can do more than what your initial thoughts tell you. You have to reprogram your brain to enjoy the pain. Truly, I think the training is the hardest part of it all. . if you train right and prepare then everything will fall into place. Sure something can go wrong (blown tire: see my race report from IMCDA in 2007), but in the end you just keep going. The best advice that I got (from a local pro) is to just "keep going. . .no matter what, just put one foot in front of the other" |
2008-05-24 11:10 AM in reply to: #1421288 |
Master 1686![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Royersford, PA | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationFirst off, hang in there. The breakthroughs come, sometimes when you least expect them. Prior to my first Ironman, I had two of the worst races I've ever had. I totally blew up on the run at an Olympic distance race and then had a cramp fest on my HIM 7 weeks before the big day. As these were my two prep races for my IM, it wasn't a good omen. But instead of freaking out, I went back through those races and learned what I did wrong. Both races I didn't execute my nutrition plan well at all, and I realized I paced the bike poorly going too hard on the hills. When the big day came, I focused on keeping up with my nutrition and fluids, focused on backing the pace off a notch, and then just focused on staying in the moment and keeping those negative thoughts out of my head. I had an absolutely fantasic experience at IMFL that year and smashing my goal time by 43 minutes and really feeling good at the end. You learn more from the rough races than the good ones. Be smart, stay in the moment, and enjoy the ride. |
2008-05-24 3:01 PM in reply to: #1421288 |
Veteran 123![]() Dublin, Ireland | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationMental energy can also wear you out. If you think too much about an event in the run up to it you can fatigue your body. This is proven.
STOP thinking about I have to run at this pace or keep my cadence at his etc.. With regad to your swim you should now have confidence knowing that its highly unlikely something is going to happen to you. Dont overtrain....read a book when you begin a taper to distract yourself..and most important of all...Race day is the day you show the benefits of training...Have confidance in the training that you have done... Simon |
2008-05-24 4:15 PM in reply to: #1421288 |
Champion 19812![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() MA | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationHow was your mental attitude during the race? Did your slower than you expected swim effect your bike and your slower than expected bike effect your run? I tend to overthink things and put pressure on myself to do X, Y or Z. 2 years ago stopped racing with watch and HRM and race by feel. I was surprised but I ended up enjoying myself more and doing better. I work hard at racing in the moment as I can only control what I do right now. We often learn more from our failures than our sucesses. Hydration/nutrition is key for longer races. I see it as the 4th component of racing. Did you practice hydration/nutrition each long session and did they go well? |
2008-05-24 5:41 PM in reply to: #1423134 |
Veteran 377![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationNo, no, and no. when i came out of the water at saw that 50, and knew how many times i ended up on my back, I got in a funk. I even remember telling myself- "Look how many bikes are gone, good grief dude, you are folding" then on the bike I let the weather contribute to my turmoil, it was soo cool, and I just didn't drink, and I didn't force myself to follow my plan. I am a heavy sweater too. by the time I the heat came out, i remember thinking I should already be runnign for home. I didn't let myself enjoy the day at all... Ditchin the watch and the speedo, and that stuff may be a good idea.. Do you still time your nutrition, or do you use the stations to do that? this has been a great thread for me so far. i will "hang in there" and the realization of thinking of it as a RACE, may not be best for me. Maybe enjoying "AN EVENT" will be better for a guy like me. I see that tandem skydive there! cool man. I jumped 4 times today. p.s. the adrenaline downslide could be contributing to my melancholy feel right now too. |
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2008-05-24 8:15 PM in reply to: #1421288 |
Champion 19812![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() MA | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationI have an old Ironman timex watch I attach to my aerobars to beep every 20' and I just eat every 20'. On the run I'll bring my HMR with the face taped over and it beeps every 15' and I know then to eat. Tomorrow I'm doing a 1/2 Mary and I'll bring my Garmin and the face is taped over with a bandaid..seriously it works for me. At some races they have folks yelling out splits at mile markers and I find that it can really throw me when I'm off what I think I should be. Funny I PBed that race and based on my Garmin they were not accurate on their splits. It can get to me when I do see the timing clock coming into or out of transition. But by focusing in on the moment, I try to just let it go and focus on doing what I am right now.
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2008-05-24 8:26 PM in reply to: #1421288 |
Expert 1019![]() Muncie, IN | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationKathy G is cool.....and wise..... |
2008-05-25 6:33 AM in reply to: #1421288 |
Expert 749![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationMental prep was one of my favorite parts of IM training. I write down experiences in training (both good & bad) and keep a mental snapshot of these things too that I file away for that time in the race where I am sure I can't go on. For me it was learning to shut down the negative self talk. I have tried to do that with my athletes that are going long. You can all the motivating mantras etc. in the world but when it's going really bad you need to be able to turn off that voice inside yourself that asks Why in the heck am I doing this? and answers - You shouldn't bother b/c you suck so bad. I approached FLA70.3 last weekend with a just finish & have fun attitude b/c I have had mono for the last few months but once I got off the bike and saw the clock w/ a sub 6 in sight I got a big dose of stoopid and went too fast in the heat. That folded and the voice started in on me. I have taken up Yoga and used some techinques to shut out the voice. At fla it was a matter of saying if I kept running I could have an IV at the finish line. Seriously, I felt that bad but kept running for the IV. I didn't get the IV, finished 14 min. over 6 hours and still had fun. Mostly I had to take myself back to be present and be happy with myself at this moment, remember - your perfomance is more than the numbers on the watch. |
2008-05-25 8:07 AM in reply to: #1423179 |
Champion 10471![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Dallas, TX | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationYou only get your FIRST IRONMAN... ONCE! Right? It's all about attitude out there. All about attitude. Your attitude about your performance will directly relate to your memories about your first Ironman. During my Half Ironman, I could have gotten down or beaten myself up about my performance (couldn't run an entire month before the race). Instead I told myself I was just going to go out there and DO IT. Whatever "it" was, I was going to be happy. I would smile, talk to people, thank the volunteers and if I started to feel down I would remind myself, "I am DOING A HALF IRONMAN! WOO-HOO!" That's what I did and it worked. Go into it with the idea that you WILL be positive about your performance and you will enjoy the day. If you get down, talk to spectators... make jokes... talk to participants... have fun. You only get your first one, once. Make sure it's special no matter how fast or slow you go. Here is my RR http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp... Also, Pinkleopard has a great IM RR from 2007. Her attitude was amazing and it glows through her RR. A perfect example of how a race should be done! flyinfree - 2008-05-24 5:41 PM I didn't let myself enjoy the day at all... Ditchin the watch and the speedo, and that stuff may be a good idea.. Do you still time your nutrition, or do you use the stations to do that? this has been a great thread for me so far. i will "hang in there" and the realization of thinking of it as a RACE, may not be best for me. Maybe enjoying "AN EVENT" will be better for a guy like me. |
2008-05-25 8:23 AM in reply to: #1423476 |
Expert 691![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Cape Elizabeth, Maine | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationIronman is a LOOOOONNNGG day at times. You better have a plan when times get tough, cause they will at some point. In my first one, my wife gave me this small rock that was smooth that had the word "courage" on it. I stuck the rock in my tri shorts down the side where you would put a gu - I raced with that rock on me. I remember waking up race day and feeling exhasted. Basically I was melting down before the race even started. For some reason, mentally, I was not into it. The swim took longer than expected. I had tubular tires and got a flat!! Struggled changing it. Geez, everything was going wrong. At about mile 40 on the bike I was down cause I was WAY off pace - thinking, man I am tired and have a long way to go. Then, two things happened. One, I remembered the rock and began to think why I wanted to take on the challege. Literally I reached down and felt the rock in my side pocket and thought of my family that was on the course and waiting for me. Secondly, I passed on a climb a handicaped athlete. He was an Irag war veteren doing his first IM. He was working his a$$ off getting up this steep climb. It was at this very exact moment that I relaxed, all the pressure left me. I told myself there are things I can't control (flat, energy level). So I sucked it up, nail the nutrition and even though my bike was an hour off predicted time. I smoked the marathon and finished the race happy, healthy and strong. So whats my point? Know why your out there...be able to call on something when things suck to refocus yourself.
Go luck, there is only one first Ironman! |
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2008-05-26 7:08 PM in reply to: #1421288 |
Veteran 377![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Mental Dissentigrationyou guys ar making me cry~! omg! Well, I am sooo excited, I logged my first two workouts on this site and also foudn the routing maps, and WAY cool! I have keepoing a fitness lofg at a fitness site, and with these levels of worklouts, of course THEY, the weighlifters, think I am an incredible endurance athlete. BUT NONE OF THEM CAN RELATE AND HELP ME LIKE YOU GUYS HAVE. I am a rather touchy feely dude, and Kathy- I will race with just my watch for nutrition purposes. I have a picnic series race this Friday night and I am going to even ditch the watch and see if I can't just go have soem fun. You all taking the time to respond this way has touched me. I have dabbled here from time to time, but that's it. I will log my workouts for awhile and try to stick around a bit. THANK YOU SOOOOOO VERY MUCH! Todd |
2008-05-29 12:10 AM in reply to: #1421288 |
Veteran 183![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationYou already realize you don't have the luxury of a negative thought, largely because they often travel in packs. I'd suggest practicing Relaxation at key moments for both before and during the event to hijack the 'cascade' effect of both over-revving and negative self-talk. Pick key moments for relaxation, build them into your training, and do them during your event. I'll suggest one moment, after a warm up, before the swim start, and practice in training by warming up, then either treading water just like a deep water start, or in whatever environment your swim start will be- standing on the shore for instance. Tread/relax and let your heart rate slow naturally, then re-start your training swims being really relaxed and with a clear head. As the relaxation comes, develop a mental check list you go through during the relaxation that concerns the next phase of the Event. Practicing will make it much easier to actually do before & during the event. By picking other key moments throughout your event to relax and re-focus on your game-plan you designate times/places at which you'll do some form of relaxation (that you practice during training) and mentally reset and go through your checklist, and do the next segment of the event with that reset as the starting point. With these sorts of designated re-start points already decided, it's easier to move past what we misjudged or what didn't go quite right, relax, reset, check-list and re-focus on what we're going to do next. A couple of events later it's second nature and becomes a virtuous circle as the relaxed-focus lends itself to better performance, decreasing negative self talk, making it easier to stay relaxed, check-list and focus on the next segment until the next designated reset. Best Regards |
2008-05-29 3:00 AM in reply to: #1421288 |
Extreme Veteran 446![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Auckland, New Zealand | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationEveryone has bad races, so don't beat yourself up too much about that. I did a triathlon years ago where I beat the best swimmer in my tri club in the swim by 2 seconds... then it all went down hill from there... I was going backwards on the bike and during the 10k run the medics stopped me and took me away in an ambulance... Needless to say at my next tri I sucked as well. I used to train up to 40 hours a week back then and still couldn't race that fast. I then realised that I can only do what I can do and if that means that if I'm x in the swim or bike or run or the whole triathlon, then so be it. I'm doing triathlons because I have the bug and love the sport. Yes, I have goals and they are my goals nobody elses, but don't let them get to me. Like others have said, I no longer put myself under so much pressure but rather just try to enjoy the moment. We all feel for you mate and we've all been there in our own way, so keep the faith and go for gold
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2008-05-29 8:16 AM in reply to: #1421288 |
Veteran 377![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Mental Dissentigrationwow |
2008-09-19 1:55 PM in reply to: #1421288 |
Veteran 377![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Mental Dissentigrationhere is another great problem i had, and got several good solutions.... |
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2008-09-19 2:01 PM in reply to: #1421652 |
Veteran 377![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationKSH - 2008-05-23 12:50 PM I do better at a race when I just let is all go. I let go of the time goals, the idea of "I must do X"... and I just race. I do what I can and see what happens. When I have done that, I've had the best race. Why not stop thinking so much and just go race? Think about how lucky you are to be there racing. Think about enjoying the day. And just do what feels good and let it all go. HA! |
2008-09-23 1:10 PM in reply to: #1421288 |
Member 68![]() ![]() | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationI agree with KathyG, I figured out that the races that I do the best in are the ones where I leave my watch and hrm at home. when you are out there racing and something bad happens you start to get down on yourself and then if you have your watch on its a constant reminder that you wont hit your goal time and it mentaly drags you down. They are great for training but when I race I leave them at home. I just finnished IM Louisville (my first IM) with out a watch/hrm and it drove me nuts but I dident set a goal time for myself I just wanted to finish. and I did at 13:44. |
2008-09-23 1:55 PM in reply to: #1421288 |
Expert 839![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Portland, OR | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationThank you KSH because I think you're referring to my (leopard8996) RR from CDA 07. It's on my blog and I do agree that staying in the moment and having fun and just enjoying the day will go a long way when you are racing for 8-17 hours. Ironman is a journey. It's not about the finish, it's not even about the race itself, that's just the icing on a 3 layer amazing cake that you've constructed during training |
2008-09-24 2:57 AM in reply to: #1421288 |
Regular 109![]() Florence, Arizona | Subject: RE: Mental DissentigrationEvery training ride I did over 60 miles hurt like h*ll...and only one of the long training runs of 22 miles didn't hurt...all of my 2.5 mile training swims were slow. I didn't think I could pull it off. Yet somehow, the day of my IM I was so mentally pumped, I was ready. I was calm, relaxed, said, I'm not out there to place anyway, so let's have some fun coz the scenery is amazing. My mind pulled me through. Coz that day, my swim was 30m mins faster than I thought, the bike ride I got three flats, tears of frustration, two hours of walking, & three race marshalls telling me I was out & refused to leave the course until I found a solution for my bike problems (and I did & got in at the bike cut off time)...the run was terrible, I ate & drank things I didn't train with & felt like barfing.....I came in 11 minutes before the course closed. My state of mind pulled me through. I wanted to finish that dang race....and I did. And really, it didn't hurt that much. For some reason, recovering from marathons was harder than this. I was only stiff for a day this time!!! But I had two days of driving to get there...nothing to do but think, sit, think.....and drank lots of water along the way, pretending I was a dry sponge, so I didn't have to drink so much the night before. Sadly though, no beers were had along the way. It helped as I was walking for hours in very hot weather, with flat tires, lol. |
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