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2007-10-24 10:09 AM

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Subject: October Challenge statement I need to make...

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2007-10-24 10:20 AM
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These are all supposed to be challenges for fun.  Why care what someone elses goal is?  We are talking a freakin avatar switch here.  I am sandbagging cuz I could have thought 150 would have been a nice goal but with my first 50k I didnt know how my body would respond.  Dont let what anyone else thinks about your goal matter.  Paying attention to your body and being honest with it pays longer term dividends that any kind of chest thumping.  Whether your goal is 10 miles or 200 miles, the goal of these challenges is to keep you on task and nothing more IMO.
2007-10-24 10:52 AM
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Seriously? You came in to the Werewolves thread and bragged that you were done with your goal 9 days before the end of the challenge. How does one respond to that? With some good natured ribbing, of course. If you were offended or felt your character attacked, then I apologize. When we meet in person, the first round's on me. We'll poke fun at each other over a beer.

Cheers!

Tom 

2007-10-24 11:02 AM
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It has been established this will be settled in Thunderdome so no more discussion is welcome or needed on the topic.  If you dont believe me check the Werewolves thread. 
2007-10-24 11:03 AM
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As the leader of the Newbie team, I sincerely HOPE no one is accusing anyone on my team of sandbagging. I, for one, am not a runner - never have been, even though I am in otherwise great shape. I pledged 50 miles, which is A LOT for me. Yeah, we have some lower pledges on our team, but we also have people who are just starting out and the fact that they're participating is admirable. The goal, as others have said, is to make a plan and stick to it, nothing more, nothing less. I am proud of my teammates, as they should be of themselves.

 

2007-10-24 11:05 AM
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wurkit_gurl - 2007-10-24 11:03 AM

As the leader of the Newbie team, I sincerely HOPE no one is accusing anyone on my team of sandbagging. I, for one, am not a runner - never have been, even though I am in otherwise great shape. I pledged 50 miles, which is A LOT for me. Yeah, we have some lower pledges on our team, but we also have people who are just starting out and the fact that they're participating is admirable. The goal, as others have said, is to make a plan and stick to it, nothing more, nothing less. I am proud of my teammates, as they should be of themselves.

 

Further discussion of said topic means entry in Thunderdome.  Good work on the challenge though, despite the inevitable crumbling at the feet of Black Magic!



2007-10-24 11:10 AM
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jszat - 2007-10-24 12:05 PM

Further discussion of said topic means entry in Thunderdome.

Two people enter!  One person leaves!

It's a politically correct Thunderdome. 

2007-10-24 11:10 AM
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wurkit_gurl - 2007-10-24 11:03 AM

As the leader of the Newbie team, I sincerely HOPE no one is accusing anyone on my team of sandbagging. I, for one, am not a runner - never have been, even though I am in otherwise great shape. I pledged 50 miles, which is A LOT for me. Yeah, we have some lower pledges on our team, but we also have people who are just starting out and the fact that they're participating is admirable. The goal, as others have said, is to make a plan and stick to it, nothing more, nothing less. I am proud of my teammates, as they should be of themselves.

Seriously, no one was actually accusing anyone of sandbagging except those that are actually filling actual bags with actual sand. Those people are total freakin' sandbaggers. Otherwise, it was merely smack talk.

I'm proud that everyone in this challenge had the bollocks to step up and make a commitment to start or continue a healthy lifestyle. If only the other 99% of the population had such courage...

2007-10-24 11:13 AM
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Matchman - 2007-10-24 11:10 AM
wurkit_gurl - 2007-10-24 11:03 AM

As the leader of the Newbie team, I sincerely HOPE no one is accusing anyone on my team of sandbagging. I, for one, am not a runner - never have been, even though I am in otherwise great shape. I pledged 50 miles, which is A LOT for me. Yeah, we have some lower pledges on our team, but we also have people who are just starting out and the fact that they're participating is admirable. The goal, as others have said, is to make a plan and stick to it, nothing more, nothing less. I am proud of my teammates, as they should be of themselves.

Seriously, no one was actually accusing anyone of sandbagging except those that are actually filling actual bags with actual sand. Those people are total freakin' sandbaggers. Otherwise, it was merely smack talk.

I'm proud that everyone in this challenge had the bollocks to step up and make a commitment to start or continue a healthy lifestyle. If only the other 99% of the population had such courage...

Geez, I have never seen someone backtrack so bad in my life.  Are you shaving miles off your total for the pull back here?

2007-10-24 11:17 AM
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jszat - 2007-10-24 11:13 AM
Matchman - 2007-10-24 11:10 AM
wurkit_gurl - 2007-10-24 11:03 AM

As the leader of the Newbie team, I sincerely HOPE no one is accusing anyone on my team of sandbagging. I, for one, am not a runner - never have been, even though I am in otherwise great shape. I pledged 50 miles, which is A LOT for me. Yeah, we have some lower pledges on our team, but we also have people who are just starting out and the fact that they're participating is admirable. The goal, as others have said, is to make a plan and stick to it, nothing more, nothing less. I am proud of my teammates, as they should be of themselves.

Seriously, no one was actually accusing anyone of sandbagging except those that are actually filling actual bags with actual sand. Those people are total freakin' sandbaggers. Otherwise, it was merely smack talk.

I'm proud that everyone in this challenge had the bollocks to step up and make a commitment to start or continue a healthy lifestyle. If only the other 99% of the population had such courage...

Geez, I have never seen someone backtrack so bad in my life.  Are you shaving miles off your total for the pull back here?

I just upped my goal this morning. How about you? Or are you

2007-10-24 11:32 AM
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Matchman - 2007-10-24 11:17 AM
jszat - 2007-10-24 11:13 AM
Matchman - 2007-10-24 11:10 AM
wurkit_gurl - 2007-10-24 11:03 AM

As the leader of the Newbie team, I sincerely HOPE no one is accusing anyone on my team of sandbagging. I, for one, am not a runner - never have been, even though I am in otherwise great shape. I pledged 50 miles, which is A LOT for me. Yeah, we have some lower pledges on our team, but we also have people who are just starting out and the fact that they're participating is admirable. The goal, as others have said, is to make a plan and stick to it, nothing more, nothing less. I am proud of my teammates, as they should be of themselves.

Seriously, no one was actually accusing anyone of sandbagging except those that are actually filling actual bags with actual sand. Those people are total freakin' sandbaggers. Otherwise, it was merely smack talk.

I'm proud that everyone in this challenge had the bollocks to step up and make a commitment to start or continue a healthy lifestyle. If only the other 99% of the population had such courage...

Geez, I have never seen someone backtrack so bad in my life.  Are you shaving miles off your total for the pull back here?

I just upped my goal this morning. How about you? Or are you

Id, ego and superego in conference right now.  Will get back shortly.  For the record the id is the dominant generally.  What did you up it?



2007-10-24 11:53 AM
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jszat - 2007-10-24 11:32 AM
Matchman - 2007-10-24 11:17 AM
jszat - 2007-10-24 11:13 AM
Matchman - 2007-10-24 11:10 AM
wurkit_gurl - 2007-10-24 11:03 AM

As the leader of the Newbie team, I sincerely HOPE no one is accusing anyone on my team of sandbagging. I, for one, am not a runner - never have been, even though I am in otherwise great shape. I pledged 50 miles, which is A LOT for me. Yeah, we have some lower pledges on our team, but we also have people who are just starting out and the fact that they're participating is admirable. The goal, as others have said, is to make a plan and stick to it, nothing more, nothing less. I am proud of my teammates, as they should be of themselves.

Seriously, no one was actually accusing anyone of sandbagging except those that are actually filling actual bags with actual sand. Those people are total freakin' sandbaggers. Otherwise, it was merely smack talk.

I'm proud that everyone in this challenge had the bollocks to step up and make a commitment to start or continue a healthy lifestyle. If only the other 99% of the population had such courage...

Geez, I have never seen someone backtrack so bad in my life. Are you shaving miles off your total for the pull back here?

I just upped my goal this morning. How about you? Or are you

Id, ego and superego in conference right now. Will get back shortly. For the record the id is the dominant generally. What did you up it?

Why am I picturing the Animal House Angel/Devil scene right now?

10 miles - from 80 to 90. 

2007-10-24 11:54 AM
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I thank you for bringing the Minnie / Goofy chuckle back, sandbagging or not, THAT'S FUNNY!!!
2007-10-24 12:11 PM
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jszat - 2007-10-24 10:20 AM

These are all supposed to be challenges for fun. Why care what someone elses goal is? We are talking a freakin avatar switch here. I am sandbagging cuz I could have thought 150 would have been a nice goal but with my first 50k I didnt know how my body would respond. Dont let what anyone else thinks about your goal matter. Paying attention to your body and being honest with it pays longer term dividends that any kind of chest thumping. Whether your goal is 10 miles or 200 miles, the goal of these challenges is to keep you on task and nothing more IMO.


Yes - the point of this is a friendly challenge, that's why we have teams. People set goals to challenge themselves, and for me, I set a goal that would hard for me to accomplish. Thus the CHALLENGE aspect.

Why would I care what someone else's goal is? Simply put because there is a friendly "punishment" for loosing. No, I'm not losing money, nor is the "punishment" anything painful, and in the grand scheme of things is good natured fun, but there is actually a reason to avoid losing. So, if someone sandbags, they aren't challenging themselves, thus putting themselves in a better position to "win". That violates the spirit of the challenge, no?
2007-10-24 12:15 PM
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2007-10-24 12:22 PM
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D.Z. - 2007-10-24 12:11 PM
jszat - 2007-10-24 10:20 AM These are all supposed to be challenges for fun. Why care what someone elses goal is? We are talking a freakin avatar switch here. I am sandbagging cuz I could have thought 150 would have been a nice goal but with my first 50k I didnt know how my body would respond. Dont let what anyone else thinks about your goal matter. Paying attention to your body and being honest with it pays longer term dividends that any kind of chest thumping. Whether your goal is 10 miles or 200 miles, the goal of these challenges is to keep you on task and nothing more IMO.
Yes - the point of this is a friendly challenge, that's why we have teams. People set goals to challenge themselves, and for me, I set a goal that would hard for me to accomplish. Thus the CHALLENGE aspect. Why would I care what someone else's goal is? Simply put because there is a friendly "punishment" for loosing. No, I'm not losing money, nor is the "punishment" anything painful, and in the grand scheme of things is good natured fun, but there is actually a reason to avoid losing. So, if someone sandbags, they aren't challenging themselves, thus putting themselves in a better position to "win". That violates the spirit of the challenge, no?

It would violate the spirit of the challenge sure but if you and your team hit your personal goals to hit 100% it is a moot point.  I am saying for someone to question someone elses goals with a wide spectrum of abilities, time constraints, a whole season behind them, etc, etc is kind of ridiculous.  People shouldnt feel they have to justify their goals to anyone is my point I guess.  Only they will know if they are pushing themselves and only they know how far they need to push themselves in the context of their life.  For some people (including myself) just getting out there after a long season can be challenge enough.  Thats why I chose to do this challenge this month.  I am capable of more and am sandbagging it vs my max, but in the context of what I was hoping to do this month, its where it needs to be to push me just enough.  I would hope that people would participate in this and challenge themselves, but its not for us to quantify 'challenge' for the individual.



2007-10-24 12:32 PM
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New October Challenge!

This is better than Thundredome!!! 

2007-10-24 12:37 PM
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Scout7 - 2007-10-24 12:32 PM

New October Challenge!

This is better than Thundredome!!! 

Stay away from the bobcats!

2007-10-24 12:38 PM
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jszat - 2007-10-24 12:05 PM
wurkit_gurl - 2007-10-24 11:03 AM

As the leader of the Newbie team, I sincerely HOPE no one is accusing anyone on my team of sandbagging. I, for one, am not a runner - never have been, even though I am in otherwise great shape. I pledged 50 miles, which is A LOT for me. Yeah, we have some lower pledges on our team, but we also have people who are just starting out and the fact that they're participating is admirable. The goal, as others have said, is to make a plan and stick to it, nothing more, nothing less. I am proud of my teammates, as they should be of themselves.

 

Further discussion of said topic means entry in Thunderdome.  Good work on the challenge though, despite the inevitable crumbling at the feet of Black Magic!

 

Actually most of  us are doing well - except we have a fun SoCal people who are house-bound because of the smoke (one doesn't have a gym membership). Were it not for the fires, everyone would be on task.

2007-10-24 12:39 PM
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Sandbagging?  Not Sandbagging?  Finishing 7 or 8 days ahead of time?  Doesn't really matter much, does it? 

The rules are set up so anything beyond 100% of your goal doesn't matter, so if you wanted to set your "goal" to be completed after the first workout of the month, you can.  You should expect to get some ribbing/crap for choosing this approach. 

If you want your goal to be a real stretch, like you've consistently run 35 miles per month and you really want to get 50, you can do so, and your team mates ought to try to encourage you along the way (and your opponents may applaud your efforts too).  If you want to keep your goal at 35 miles, that's fine too (and that's what I usually shoot for in a challenge).  If you want to reduce your goal to 25 miles because you'll be traveling for a week out of the month, I don't have a problem with that.  If you set 25 simply because you know you'll hit it on your way to 35, I might call you (in jest) a sandbagger (but it REALLY doesn't matter with the rules).  Now I'd be disappointed if you got your 25 miles half way through the month and quit working out, as we're mostly about maintaining a healthy lifestyle. 

I've routinely met my swim challenge goals 2/3 of the way through the month, because we often travel over the holidays and I don't expect to get to the pool when we're traveling.  Have I been accused of sandbagging?  Sure, but I don't worry about it.  I signed up for 30 miles running this month (about average for me) and I've been accused of sandbagging here too.  Given the unpredictability of midwest weather, I still consider meeting my "average" distance a "challenge" this month.  Even maintaining "average" volumes can be a huge challenge given the demands of work, family, etc. 

2007-10-24 12:39 PM
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Rynamite - 2007-10-24 12:15 PM

Everyone needs to take a bath in orajel.

 

 

You're all so sensitive.

 

 

When we meet in person, I'm gonna bury you in sandbags and run away laughing.

 

 

 

 

I eat sandbags for lunch (so long as there is good beer to wash down the sand and all afterwards)



2007-10-24 12:39 PM
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jszat - 2007-10-24 1:37 PM
Scout7 - 2007-10-24 12:32 PM

New October Challenge!

This is better than Thundredome!!!

Stay away from the bobcats!

Notice not one mention of donkeys..... 

2007-10-24 12:42 PM
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Scout7 - 2007-10-24 12:39 PM
jszat - 2007-10-24 1:37 PM
Scout7 - 2007-10-24 12:32 PM

New October Challenge!

This is better than Thundredome!!!

Stay away from the bobcats!

Notice not one mention of donkeys..... 

Thats cuz they know better than to even dream of f'in with a donkey.

2007-10-24 12:53 PM
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jszat - 2007-10-24 1:39 PM
I eat sandbags for lunch (so long as there is good beer to wash down the sand and all afterwards)



If this keeps up, we'll have to rename this thread to a TAN derivative. I vote for PAN.
(P = posts)

I thought the goal of the challenge was to challenge yourself. If your team loses, well, yes, it $ucks. But it's just an avatar change penalty. It's not like you get put on some medieval torture rack device. (Although, for some of us, taking that picture for the losing avatars will FEEL like torture....)

Sandbagging isn't really going to help anyone get fit, or run better. Which is, to me, the point of participating in a challenge. And no one can achieve more than 100% of their goal. So it's not like you can help your team by being an "overachiever."

Finally, you want to know what's important? It's this --> I've just upped my post count with a PAN.

Happy running guys.

Dee

2007-10-24 12:54 PM
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jszat - 2007-10-24 12:22 PM

D.Z. - 2007-10-24 12:11 PM
jszat - 2007-10-24 10:20 AM These are all supposed to be challenges for fun. Why care what someone elses goal is? We are talking a freakin avatar switch here. I am sandbagging cuz I could have thought 150 would have been a nice goal but with my first 50k I didnt know how my body would respond. Dont let what anyone else thinks about your goal matter. Paying attention to your body and being honest with it pays longer term dividends that any kind of chest thumping. Whether your goal is 10 miles or 200 miles, the goal of these challenges is to keep you on task and nothing more IMO.
Yes - the point of this is a friendly challenge, that's why we have teams. People set goals to challenge themselves, and for me, I set a goal that would hard for me to accomplish. Thus the CHALLENGE aspect. Why would I care what someone else's goal is? Simply put because there is a friendly "punishment" for loosing. No, I'm not losing money, nor is the "punishment" anything painful, and in the grand scheme of things is good natured fun, but there is actually a reason to avoid losing. So, if someone sandbags, they aren't challenging themselves, thus putting themselves in a better position to "win". That violates the spirit of the challenge, no?

It would violate the spirit of the challenge sure but if you and your team hit your personal goals to hit 100% it is a moot point. I am saying for someone to question someone elses goals with a wide spectrum of abilities, time constraints, a whole season behind them, etc, etc is kind of ridiculous. People shouldnt feel they have to justify their goals to anyone is my point I guess. Only they will know if they are pushing themselves and only they know how far they need to push themselves in the context of their life. For some people (including myself) just getting out there after a long season can be challenge enough. Thats why I chose to do this challenge this month. I am capable of more and am sandbagging it vs my max, but in the context of what I was hoping to do this month, its where it needs to be to push me just enough. I would hope that people would participate in this and challenge themselves, but its not for us to quantify 'challenge' for the individual.




Well put. Obviously 100% is the goal at the end of the 31 days. If your plan is to run 35miles in a month, because that is part of your plan, then 35miles if a solid goal. If your plan is to run 35 miles, and you set the goal of 20miles because it makes it easier to make your goal, then that violates the spirit. Your example of an easy month of 35 miles is not what I would consider sandbagging. (Please note that I am not the definer of sandbagging - I don't have delusions of grandeur).

I don't think anyone is questioning anyones specific goals. It seemed to me that this was a reminder that a monthly goal shouldn't be accomplished in 15 days. And to be honest, I think the sandbagging comment was meant in jest anyways - a little friendly ribbing. Personally, I don't care if someone sandbagged because I know that regardless of what the cheaters on TAN do (ha! SMACK!), meeting my goal was a true accomplishment for me. The sandbagging isn't that big a deal anyways.

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