Oshkosh Tragedy
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() If anyone has any information on the woman who passed away during the swim today, contact Nick Penzenstadler at the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel at 414-224-2318. He sent me a message looking for anyone who has any information on this. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() http://www.thenorthwestern.com/article/20090809/OSH0101/308090062/1987 Here is a link for an article about it..... |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Oh wow, that is sad. I wonder what happened. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I was there but don't know anything about it. Heard sirens out on the bike course and saw 2 emergency vehicles but that may have been something else totally. Apparently she was pulled around 8am and don't know if she was on the long or short swim. I was Wave 15 and probably came out just before 8am. With the heat and humidity this am; and the need for water (more), I'm surprised there weren't health issues on the run portion. My heart goes out to her family. So sad. |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I was in wave 12, so I didn't even know what happened till I heard someone after talking about it. I agree, so sad, my heart goes out to the family..... |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Man this sure can scare the new guy away ![]() Is there a rule of thumb for how long one needs to swim before competing in their 1st tri? I know the obvious answer is the length of the swim leg, but should you train for more? I have heard you can't prepare for getting kicked and the anxiety. My prayers go out to the family. |
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Member![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() With the third WI death this year I find myself thinking things I've never thought such as...I'm never going to try the Olympic distance...maybe just do women only ones...I know logically that when your time is up, it's up...but yet getting kicked by a 200lb person is worse than a 140lb person...and something like that can get me panicking. Deep down I feel this could have been me, esp last year at Door County. Today at Osh there were so many people getting used to the water before the event I had good feelings and was hopeful nothing would go wrong. Hearing this also makes me want to get lifeguard training and volunteer. I don't think the water is ever too shallow or too calm for noodles. IMO, no matter what plan you follow, there's nothing to prepare you for OWS with a group of 49 other people besides an OWS with 49 other people... or 2 others in a bathtub. (sorry attempt at humor to cope with this) Tonight, the prayers are for this person, her family, the organizers of this great event and the future of these events and this sport. And maybe I'm worried about my future with it. Anne |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Well, this is my first season doing tri's. In training I typically swim between 800 and 1000 meters. Even with this, I still freaked out a little on my frist open water swim. I just swam on my back to help catch my breath and then kept going. The best thing to do is just to get plenty of open water swim practice (with friends/training partners of course ![]() |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() d-nort - 2009-08-09 5:53 PM Man this sure can scare the new guy away ![]() Is there a rule of thumb for how long one needs to swim before competing in their 1st tri? I know the obvious answer is the length of the swim leg, but should you train for more? I have heard you can't prepare for getting kicked and the anxiety. My prayers go out to the family. I think the recent deaths show that there should be a rule of thumb to get your heart checked by a doctor before starting in triathlon. Obviously it's too soon to know about this particular case, but the other deaths in the last year have all been during the swim, and they have all been due to a heart problem (heart attack or an undiagnosed heart condition). Also, I think that makes 4 in Wisconsin recently. It's a real tragedy. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() skavoovie - 2009-08-09 8:03 PM d-nort - 2009-08-09 5:53 PM Man this sure can scare the new guy away I think the recent deaths show that there should be a rule of thumb to get your heart checked by a doctor before starting in triathlon. Obviously it's too soon to know about this particular case, but the other deaths in the last year have all been during the swim, and they have all been due to a heart problem (heart attack or an undiagnosed heart condition). Also, I think that makes 4 in Wisconsin recently. It's a real tragedy.![]() Is there a rule of thumb for how long one needs to swim before competing in their 1st tri? I know the obvious answer is the length of the swim leg, but should you train for more? I have heard you can't prepare for getting kicked and the anxiety. My prayers go out to the family. I agree the deaths are tragic. The problem is that there are no cost effective screening tests that pick up many of the underlying cardic problems. A basic ECG might be abnormal in some of the athletes with cardiac problemms, the fact still remains that there inherent risks with any endurance activity.
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Apparently, deaths during tris are more likely to happen during the swim see NYT article: http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/31/fashion/31fitness.html There's research yet to be conclusive but interesting. I've done a few tris now and was dismayed that even after a few years I still got jittery today. Partly due to the cold water, being hyped up about the race, not being able to see and stepping on damn zebra mussels (which afforded me a trip to the quick clinic for swelling/infection and a round of antibiotics). It's amazing how I can swim effortlessly in a pool but in a lake...it becomes a new animal. Edited by BbMoozer 2009-08-09 8:29 PM |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I feel the same way, Im ok swimming in a pool, doesnt bother me at all. Yet once Im in an open water situation, it really can get to me..... Edited by pcs602004 2009-08-09 8:28 PM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I did the Olympic and the race was pretty phsyical, got punched and kicked a lot more than usual, but am starting to get used to it. This race is advertised as very beginner friendly because the water is 5 feet deep a large majority of the way. No idea what happened today, but there were an awful lot of people doing the Sprint going off 1 minute apart. Hard to see if someone gets in trouble. Personal opinion is they could have used more boats/kayaks on the course today. Really sad. |
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New user![]() | ![]() I'm sorry to hear of the tragic news. My wife and I were in wave 18, and didn't see anything except some civillian emergency vehicles on the bike course. It sounds like it may be something cardiac, but we were disappointed when they combined wave 18 and the rest of 19 for the final wave, prob 70ish people. My wife, a pretty good swimmer, got beat up pretty good. Safety needs to be a priority, both by participants and race directors. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I've raced Oshkosh twice. I didn't do it this year. But, both times the major thing I didn't like about the race was the fact that they don't have a novice division. I'm not sure if they did this year or not, but I think it's really necessary. LOTS of people walk this swim, which makes it dangerous for the people actually swimming the swim. I passed people 2 or 3 waves ahead of me when I did the sprint. Not good - way too congested. It's unfortunate, because otherwise I really liked this race. My thoughts go out to this woman's family. |
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![]() | ![]() I attened the event this weekend as a volunteer and I did the event last year as a beginner and have had nothing but a positive experience with the exception of the untimely passing of the young woman. I would like to make a few corrections to the post by SSMinnow, as an individual who started her day at the Lake I would like everyone to know there were 14 lifeguards in the water during the event, 5 of those lifeguards were patroling the Olympic Race where you could touch bottom during the entire swim and the remainder of the lifeguards were watching the Sprint. The waves for the Olympic were sent off exactly 2 minutes apart, I helped with the gate and had to watch the clock, so I know this to be fact. I also helped with the gate for the Sprint, a short break was taken in between sending the last wave of the Olympics and the first wave of the Sprints, after that the Sprint waves were sent out every 2-3 minutes, again I was watching the clock, so I know this to be fact. As for this not being a beginer friendly race, I completely disagree, the course is fairly flat with a nice bike and run. The swim course is also well laid out, the problem is when word gets out that an event is beginner friendly more individuals tend to participate, as a result the swim naturally becomes more congested. Obviously after the tragedy that occured yesterday some issues will be addressed and things will be changed for next year, I just hope people do not get discouraged and stop attending the event, it truly is well run and the course is great. |
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Member ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I had just finished my best sprint ever, feeling high as a kite. Got a bite to eat when my wife told me she saw someone in serious trouble possibly getting CPR. Puts things in perspective real fast. Prayers to all those involved. I don't know the answer but what if people regestered based on ability. Novice, beginner etc... or set waves based on previous or projected times to get like athletes together. Much more difficult to set up I'm sure. Horrible things happen under the best conditions. I love this sport and hope people smarter than me can come up with ideas before forced regulations endanger the sport. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Lake Swimmer - 2009-08-10 2:44 PM I attened the event this weekend as a volunteer and I did the event last year as a beginner and have had nothing but a positive experience with the exception of the untimely passing of the young woman. I would like to make a few corrections to the post by SSMinnow, as an individual who started her day at the Lake I would like everyone to know there were 14 lifeguards in the water during the event, 5 of those lifeguards were patroling the Olympic Race where you could touch bottom during the entire swim and the remainder of the lifeguards were watching the Sprint. The waves for the Olympic were sent off exactly 2 minutes apart, I helped with the gate and had to watch the clock, so I know this to be fact. I also helped with the gate for the Sprint, a short break was taken in between sending the last wave of the Olympics and the first wave of the Sprints, after that the Sprint waves were sent out every 2-3 minutes, again I was watching the clock, so I know this to be fact. As for this not being a beginer friendly race, I completely disagree, the course is fairly flat with a nice bike and run. The swim course is also well laid out, the problem is when word gets out that an event is beginner friendly more individuals tend to participate, as a result the swim naturally becomes more congested. Obviously after the tragedy that occured yesterday some issues will be addressed and things will be changed for next year, I just hope people do not get discouraged and stop attending the event, it truly is well run and the course is great. Hey I am not trying to pick a fight, just want to clarify my experience as a Wave 2'er. I was sent off exactly one minute after Wave 1 and the announcer did tell everyone the reason was because we were good swimmers. A lot of us folks chuckled over it at the time. If there were five lifeguards in the first 300 walkable yards in the Oly I never saw them and I swam wide to avoid the masses. Perhaps they were on the other side of the buoy line?? I only saw red boats 650 yards away at the turn-around. I do think this is a beginner friendly course. I like Deanna's idea of a novice wave. I have done other triathlons that offer this and in my first year I was thrilled to be in the group. Edited by SSMinnow 2009-08-10 3:36 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() firstnet911 - 2009-08-09 8:19 PM skavoovie - 2009-08-09 8:03 PM d-nort - 2009-08-09 5:53 PM Man this sure can scare the new guy away I think the recent deaths show that there should be a rule of thumb to get your heart checked by a doctor before starting in triathlon. Obviously it's too soon to know about this particular case, but the other deaths in the last year have all been during the swim, and they have all been due to a heart problem (heart attack or an undiagnosed heart condition). Also, I think that makes 4 in Wisconsin recently. It's a real tragedy.![]() Is there a rule of thumb for how long one needs to swim before competing in their 1st tri? I know the obvious answer is the length of the swim leg, but should you train for more? I have heard you can't prepare for getting kicked and the anxiety. My prayers go out to the family. I agree the deaths are tragic. The problem is that there are no cost effective screening tests that pick up many of the underlying cardic problems. A basic ECG might be abnormal in some of the athletes with cardiac problemms, the fact still remains that there inherent risks with any endurance activity.
ditto...arrythmias can be totally random...and some rythms are fatal. Even with stress testing, it may not be picked up. edit...darn it Craig, there we go being nurses again! Edited by pjgrande 2009-08-10 4:23 PM |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() SSMinnow - 2009-08-10 3:32 PM Lake Swimmer - 2009-08-10 2:44 PM I attened the event this weekend as a volunteer and I did the event last year as a beginner and have had nothing but a positive experience with the exception of the untimely passing of the young woman. I would like to make a few corrections to the post by SSMinnow, as an individual who started her day at the Lake I would like everyone to know there were 14 lifeguards in the water during the event, 5 of those lifeguards were patroling the Olympic Race where you could touch bottom during the entire swim and the remainder of the lifeguards were watching the Sprint. The waves for the Olympic were sent off exactly 2 minutes apart, I helped with the gate and had to watch the clock, so I know this to be fact. I also helped with the gate for the Sprint, a short break was taken in between sending the last wave of the Olympics and the first wave of the Sprints, after that the Sprint waves were sent out every 2-3 minutes, again I was watching the clock, so I know this to be fact. As for this not being a beginer friendly race, I completely disagree, the course is fairly flat with a nice bike and run. The swim course is also well laid out, the problem is when word gets out that an event is beginner friendly more individuals tend to participate, as a result the swim naturally becomes more congested. Obviously after the tragedy that occured yesterday some issues will be addressed and things will be changed for next year, I just hope people do not get discouraged and stop attending the event, it truly is well run and the course is great. Hey I am not trying to pick a fight, just want to clarify my experience as a Wave 2'er. I was sent off exactly one minute after Wave 1 and the announcer did tell everyone the reason was because we were good swimmers. A lot of us folks chuckled over it at the time. If there were five lifeguards in the first 300 walkable yards in the Oly I never saw them and I swam wide to avoid the masses. Perhaps they were on the other side of the buoy line?? I only saw red boats 650 yards away at the turn-around. I do think this is a beginner friendly course. I like Deanna's idea of a novice wave. I have done other triathlons that offer this and in my first year I was thrilled to be in the group. I completely agree with you Suzy, on your info. I did this one last year, and someone with 12 yrs of tri experience, the waves were large and the area was very crowded, esp the sprint. As for beginner friendly...yes, the numbers increase, so increase the number of waves, and to help those beginners, have separate male/female (obvious size diff) and less per wave. (and the fore stated novice wave) And Lake Swimmer..settle a bit, we are all to HELP each other! All of this "fact this and fact that..." sometimes the facts blur a bit, as Suzy noted. Thanks for volunteering Lake Swimmer!!! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() "I like Deanna's idea of a novice wave. I have done other triathlons that offer this and in my first year I was thrilled to be in the group" Food for thought. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I too thought a novice wave might be a good solution, but Craig brings up a solid point...if you have a wave of 50 that ALL need assistance (instead of a wave of 50 where maybe 10 need assistance), how could you possibly have enough lifeguards/boats in the water? Lake Mills had a novice wave...seemed o.k. but the guards were busy!!!!! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() tall_tri_dad - 2009-08-10 2:46 PM I too thought a novice wave might be a good solution, but Craig brings up a solid point...if you have a wave of 50 that ALL need assistance (instead of a wave of 50 where maybe 10 need assistance), how could you possibly have enough lifeguards/boats in the water? Lake Mills had a novice wave...seemed o.k. but the guards were busy!!!!! I imagine that putting a novice swimmer among very experienced swimmers creates a lot of problems. Experienced swimmers tend to be aggressive, because they are confident. And if there's some breaststroker in their way, they only become more aggressive. A novice wave would at least avoid this situation. In my experience, the aggression of people around me has been the main determinant of how difficult the swim was. RDs should design their swims such that the need for aggression is minimized (e.g., make waves smaller, avoid courses with bottlenecks and angled starts, put people of similar ability together). Midwest sports' biggest mistake is seeding people by the order in which they registered. That makes no sense and guarantees maximum chaos during the swim. |
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Elite ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thing with novice races is that they are typically shorter than a sprint. 200 yards swim, 8 mile bike, 2 mile run or similar. Y's do shorter ones... Or is it just novice for the swim? - just sayin' |
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