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2009-08-08 9:14 PM

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Subject: Pool vs. OWS: Am I crazy with this?
Sorry if there's been a thread (or many) on this subject, I did a search and only found one semi-related discussion on it. 

In a pool I'm a 1:50-1:55 /100m swimmer over 1600m...open turns, nice constant pace, pretty consistent splits, all that jazz--but it's a pretty full effort the whole way and I'm spent when I finish.  However, I've had one open water pond swim for a sprint triathlon (it was shortened to about 300m because of a lost bouy due to high winds) and finished it in 33rd out of 347 and I honestly didn't feel like I even tried (I was so worried about saving energy for the other two legs that I took it REAL easy on the short swim). 

Then today I did a swim in a pond, it has a great 800m out and back with the distance being pretty well confirmed.  I swam across, nice easy pace, stopped about 25 or 50m from the other end then swam back.  I timed the second 750 (forgot it on the first split) and finished in 12:50 (1:42 split).  I swam REAL easy, it was a comfortable, fun, almost therapeutic swim, and it was the second half so I'd have to figure the first half was at least a little quicker. 

My question: anyone else see such a drastic split from pool to OWSing? I wear a 2XU C:1 wetsuit, nothing special but it's a good suit and has great bouyancy, and I feel like I'm just skimming the surface with the thing on.  It's a fantastic feeling in the open water, just wondering if I'm insane, if my pool technique needs to change or if others have a similar split between the two?

Heading back to the pond tomorrow, I think this is going to become a regular training session! 


2009-08-08 9:22 PM
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Subject: RE: Pool vs. OWS: Am I crazy with this?
not crazy,often more compfortable in open water especially with a wet suit. Also, accuracy of open water swim distances could also be part of the difference. How much wading and running. Lots of factors but use it as a mental tool. you are faster in real water.
2009-08-08 9:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Pool vs. OWS: Am I crazy with this?

Brownie28 - 2009-08-08 10:14 PM Sorry if there's been a thread (or many) on this subject, I did a search and only found one semi-related discussion on it. 

In a pool I'm a 1:50-1:55 /100m swimmer over 1600m...open turns, nice constant pace, pretty consistent splits, all that jazz--but it's a pretty full effort the whole way and I'm spent when I finish.  However, I've had one open water pond swim for a sprint triathlon (it was shortened to about 300m because of a lost bouy due to high winds) and finished it in 33rd out of 347 and I honestly didn't feel like I even tried (I was so worried about saving energy for the other two legs that I took it REAL easy on the short swim). 

Then today I did a swim in a pond, it has a great 800m out and back with the distance being pretty well confirmed.  I swam across, nice easy pace, stopped about 25 or 50m from the other end then swam back.  I timed the second 750 (forgot it on the first split) and finished in 12:50 (1:42 split).  I swam REAL easy, it was a comfortable, fun, almost therapeutic swim, and it was the second half so I'd have to figure the first half was at least a little quicker. 

My question: anyone else see such a drastic split from pool to OWSing? I wear a 2XU C:1 wetsuit, nothing special but it's a good suit and has great bouyancy, and I feel like I'm just skimming the surface with the thing on.  It's a fantastic feeling in the open water, just wondering if I'm insane, if my pool technique needs to change or if others have a similar split between the two?

Heading back to the pond tomorrow, I think this is going to become a regular training session! 

It's not unusual to have a 5 to 10 sec difference in your pace when putting a wetsuit on. My training paces at LP w/o a wetsuit were around 1:30 / 100m and during the race with a wetsuit and drafting was about a 1:22/100m. For a slower swimmer the difference may be more dramatic due to the increased buoyancy providing that much more aid.

2009-08-08 10:22 PM
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Subject: RE: Pool vs. OWS: Am I crazy with this?
I just swam for the first time with a wetsuit tonight, and I noticed a considerable difference.  It only makes sense that you'd be faster when your energy is working to propel you forward, rather than to keep you afloat.
2009-08-09 12:25 AM
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Subject: RE: Pool vs. OWS: Am I crazy with this?
Like others have said I think this has a lot more to do with the simple fact of wearing a wetsuit than it does with what body of water you are swimming in.  I've found I'm pretty much just as slow in a lake withOUT a wetsuit as I am in a pool sans wetsuit :-(

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2009-08-09 10:19 AM
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Subject: RE: Pool vs. OWS: Am I crazy with this?
Cool, thanks for the replies everyone.  Quick update, I headed back to the pond today, did a 1600m out-and-back, took a breather then did about 500m on top of that (not sure of the distance, I kinda eye-balled how far out I went).  1:38 min/100 for the 1600, and it was a slow, effortless swim the whole way.  I was tired as hell and a little sore from the swim/bike brick yesterday, so there's no doubt in my mind I'd be a few seconds faster per 100m fully rested, and another few if I was actually pushing a bit for a race. Add in a decent draft and I think 1:30 is well within my reach without pushing too hard. 

At this point, I don't really care why I'm swimming faster...wetsuit, not turning every 25m, whatever.  I'm just psyched at this revelation!   


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