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2009-07-09 12:20 PM

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Subject: Wondering Why
Trying to understand because of limited knowledge.

Everyday you see 4-6 riders break away early in the day and ride together using a tremendous amount of effort?  They get caught almost every time.  I understand there are a couple of sprint points but is that enough to work hard all day and know before you start you are going to get caught when the group wants to catch you?



2009-07-09 12:30 PM
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2009-07-09 12:32 PM
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The winner didnt get caught yesterday.  Sometimes the Peloton makes a tactical error and mistimes the catch.  Happened last year two, stage two I think.  Every once in awhile, the break works, which is why they do it.
2009-07-09 1:06 PM
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It's all about options.

If 6 guys go up the road, one from each team (for arguments' sake), and none are GC contenders, the team with the people in the break win on several fronts:

- Your team might win the stage. You have a 1/6 probability, which is much better than the regular odds in a sprint finish.

- Your sponsor gets leader coverage, and for teams without strong climbers or sprinters, they need to get TV time somehow,

- You can score points for several other prestigeous competitions  - KOM points for being 1-2-3+  over climbs, Sprinter points for being 1-2-3+ for a sprint, and score points in the most aggressive rider competition

- You can keep OTHER teams from scoring points by getting them first....for instance, todays stage there was a KOM contender in the break...he wanted the KOM points. His teammate (in the peleton) had the KOM jersey, but not by much, and wanted to keep it.  So the KOM's jersey wearer's teammate nipped top points.

- You make money for your team...first at a sprint or KOM point gets you prime monies, today it was 800 euros. Doesn't seem like much, but it is for many teams.

- It keeps you out of accident trouble, as a team. If the peleton wipes out, you've still got a guy up the road, and lastly,

- For the teams with the GC contenders, it gives you many more choices as to how to spend your energy. If, for instance, Astana has a guy in the break, but Columbia doesn't, they can choose to spend their energy how they want. They can lead, and reel their own guy in (which rarely happens), or they can wait for another (presumably weaker) team to chase, making them spend more energy and pull the Astana boys along, etc.
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2009-07-09 2:09 PM
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The other reason is that for most riders, that is the ONLY way to win a stage. Only a handful of riders can compete in a field sprint and maybe a dozen will be in contention in the group in the mountain stages, so the only way for most riders to havea  shot is to get into a break and hope it stays away.


2009-07-09 8:55 PM
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rkreuser - 2009-07-10 4:06 AM It's all about options.

If 6 guys go up the road, one from each team (for arguments' sake), and none are GC contenders, the team with the people in the break win on several fronts:

- Your team might win the stage. You have a 1/6 probability, which is much better than the regular odds in a sprint finish.

- Your sponsor gets leader coverage, and for teams without strong climbers or sprinters, they need to get TV time somehow,

- You can score points for several other prestigeous competitions  - KOM points for being 1-2-3+  over climbs, Sprinter points for being 1-2-3+ for a sprint, and score points in the most aggressive rider competition

- You can keep OTHER teams from scoring points by getting them first....for instance, todays stage there was a KOM contender in the break...he wanted the KOM points. His teammate (in the peleton) had the KOM jersey, but not by much, and wanted to keep it.  So the KOM's jersey wearer's teammate nipped top points.

- You make money for your team...first at a sprint or KOM point gets you prime monies, today it was 800 euros. Doesn't seem like much, but it is for many teams.

- It keeps you out of accident trouble, as a team. If the peleton wipes out, you've still got a guy up the road, and lastly,

- For the teams with the GC contenders, it gives you many more choices as to how to spend your energy. If, for instance, Astana has a guy in the break, but Columbia doesn't, they can choose to spend their energy how they want. They can lead, and reel their own guy in (which rarely happens), or they can wait for another (presumably weaker) team to chase, making them spend more energy and pull the Astana boys along, etc.

 

And one more... on a big mountain stage it helps to send a domestique up the road in the early break so that you have an extra helper to drop back and help your big guys if needed...

2009-07-10 6:54 AM
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Break aways are often more successful after a couple of hard mountain stages when the peleton are tired and can't be bothered to chase them down.
2009-07-10 4:08 PM
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I guess todays stage gives me my answer.  Fun day to watch.
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