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2008-09-03 11:45 AM

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Subject: Do IM or not to IM
Well for those of you who know I missed my IM this year. I did not even start the race. I thought about it but figuring I would probably have to dnf about 5 miles into the bike because that is when my knee would start to hurt. (knee tracking issue) Swimming 2.4 miles and paying about $800 in hotel and travel did not appeal to me.

My rehab is going well and I think soon I will be able to bike again. I been running with very little issue.

I am debating whether or not to attempt the IM next year. Its hard to say since I am still on the heavy side but I am not too bad. Bike endurance is bad but I can get there and well in Oct we will see how my running endurance is.

I can not decide if I take the chance for next year or if I wait a year and focus on getting faster at the HIM distance.

I know the IM training this year made me thinner and faster and was the motivation I needed to drop alot of weight. I guess absolute fear is the only thing that motivates me.

The reason for IMFL is I always heard its the "easiest" to finish if you just want to finish.

Edited by chirunner134 2008-09-03 11:58 AM


2008-09-03 12:44 PM
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The fact that you want other people to weigh in on the internal debate you seem to be having indicates you don't really want to shoot for an IM again just yet.  It's a tremendous let down and blow to one's ego to DNS for a race for which you paid $500 and it sounds like your confidence is shaken and that's to be expected.

Do a couple more HIM and build your confidence back up.

Being a full-figured gal myself, I can tell that biking is the challenge of an IM.  I can run and swim at the same paces of people 1/2 my size but this doesn't work on the bike.  And this is why I'd recommend you hold off on your IM goal until you are pretty comfortable biking 100 miles.

~Mike

2008-09-03 12:53 PM
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I agree with Mike.  If there is any question left in your mind you should wait.  There will be races waiting for you the next year.
2008-09-03 1:26 PM
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Mike I am curious what is your him PR?

biking is a reason I thought about waiting and seeing if I can get into FL since I heard that bike is way "easy" compared to IMWI.
2008-09-03 1:38 PM
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chirunner134 - 2008-09-03 1:26 PM Mike I am curious what is your him PR? biking is a reason I thought about waiting and seeing if I can get into FL since I heard that bike is way "easy" compared to IMWI.

 

PR'd Sunday in Louisville @ 14:33. 

The ONLY good thing about carrying the extra weight is you can really fly on the downhills.  I had a fun experience in Louisville on the bike where I was coming up on what looked to be an 'elite' biker (based on his bike and lean physique).  He was heading down a hill at about 30 MPH and riding close to the center line obviously not expecting anyone to come around him.  But I blew by him at about 40 mph.  Naturally he caugh me on the next assent and as he passed he said "Nice descent!"

~Mike

2008-09-03 1:43 PM
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I don't know how "easy" any bike is after a hundred miles.  IMFL may be flatter, but you've got wind to contend with.  You know, the neverending hill......  When I wanted to jump the gun and register for IM next  year, my coach told me to relax and enjoy the ride.  Ironman races will be here in two years and I'll be better prepared to have an ENJOYABLE race, not one that I suffer through because I'm not properly prepared.  Do a half next year.  Ride LOTS.  Then you can do IMKY in 2010 with me.


2008-09-03 1:52 PM
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chirunner134 - 2008-09-03 12:45 PM Well for those of you who know I missed my IM this year. I did not even start the race. I thought about it but figuring I would probably have to dnf about 5 miles into the bike because that is when my knee would start to hurt. (knee tracking issue) Swimming 2.4 miles and paying about $800 in hotel and travel did not appeal to me. My rehab is going well and I think soon I will be able to bike again. I been running with very little issue. I am debating whether or not to attempt the IM next year. Its hard to say since I am still on the heavy side but I am not too bad. Bike endurance is bad but I can get there and well in Oct we will see how my running endurance is. I can not decide if I take the chance for next year or if I wait a year and focus on getting faster at the HIM distance. I know the IM training this year made me thinner and faster and was the motivation I needed to drop alot of weight. I guess absolute fear is the only thing that motivates me. The reason for IMFL is I always heard its the "easiest" to finish if you just want to finish.

1.  There is no such thing as an EASY Ironman.  Wind.  Heat.  Mechanical problems.  Biomechanical problems.  Gastrointestinal problems.  All can make for a very tough day really quickly.

2.  Unless you are planning to drop the $600+ to fly down to PCB in November and be there the day after to sign up, I wouldn't put your eggs in the IMFL basket.  I expect that it will fill up onsite like Lake Placid. 

Also realize that, during a 7 hour Ironman bike alone, you will perform almost 36000 pedal revolutions.  Not counting the what you ride during training.  So you better be sure the knee is solid before considering it.

 

 



Edited by CubeFarmGopher 2008-09-03 1:59 PM
2008-09-03 1:59 PM
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I suggest you rehab and if you are feeling good, pick a non M Dot IM distance race that stays open until race day, train for it,  and if training is going well sign up for off brand Ironman distance race maybe 6 weeks out. You don't register unless you have trained, are healthy and that potentially saves a lot.

I have heard you struggle and go back and forth about training, time on the bike, how you like run. Why not put it to yourself as a challenge, do the training then sign up for the race and do it...save a lot of money potentially.

2008-09-03 2:47 PM
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I'd second looking at non-M-dot races. Then you won't have to register a year in advance.

Maybe there is an long-distance swim you could do, while you rehab. Maybe even a swim-run if you are specifically having problems on the bike.

Other option might be an Ironman-distance relay, where you don't do the bike portion...
2008-09-03 2:57 PM
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2008-09-03 3:17 PM
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JeepFleeb - 2008-09-03 2:57 PM

Knowing what you've told us about your training in the past; even if you went into IMKY perfectly healthy this year I don't think you could have finished.

If you can finish your rehab and properly follow a training plan next year (and quit running marathons and ultras that would interfere with IM training), you could finish an Ironman.  However I still don't think it would be a good idea.  Finishing would most likely mean a death march through the marathon and finishing in the last hour or two.  That's not a particularly enjoyable way to do an IM.

I vote for focusing on HIM next year and then evaluate if you should do an IM the year after that.  Ironman isn't going anywhere.  There's no need to rush into it.

I enjoyed it thoroughly...heh.    

Just kidding, the death march was the worst part; don't get me wrong, finishing IMCDA was one of the highlights of my life, but having to walk most of it was still miserable.  

 



2008-09-03 4:14 PM
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I like death marches. Its why I got into racing in the first place. First race was the marathon and I done 11 marathon since then and several untrained. Need pain somehow .

I been leaning to the stay away unless I kona lottery or feel strong and do a non Mdot.

I figure I might as well Kona lottery because chances are I will not get in that, but who knows.
2008-09-03 4:26 PM
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chirunner134 - 2008-09-03 5:14 PM I like death marches. Its why I got into racing in the first place. First race was the marathon and I done 11 marathon since then and several untrained. Need pain somehow . I been leaning to the stay away unless I kona lottery or feel strong and do a non Mdot. I figure I might as well Kona lottery because chances are I will not get in that, but who knows.

Well, if you get picked in the Kona lottery, you still have to validate your spot with either a sub-17 hour IM or, at least, a sub-8 hour HIM.

2008-09-03 4:33 PM
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CubeFarmGopher - 2008-09-03 4:26 PM

Well, if you get picked in the Kona lottery, you still have to validate your spot with either a sub-17 hour IM or, at least, a sub-8 hour HIM.



Well I do plan on either doing Spirit of Racine or Stealhead next year and maybe 1 more HIM if I can find one I want to do. Even SOR is requiring basicly a sub 8 hour finishing time.
2008-09-03 5:32 PM
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chirunner134 - 2008-09-03 4:14 PM

I like death marches. Its why I got into racing in the first place. First race was the marathon and I done 11 marathon since then and several untrained. Need pain somehow .

I been leaning to the stay away unless I kona lottery or feel strong and do a non Mdot.

I figure I might as well Kona lottery because chances are I will not get in that, but who knows.


You still have to complete the 112 mile bike ride before you can get to that death march you like so much. You have said on multiple occasions that you do not like to bike. I love the bike and my fastest century with hills and heat, leading up to IMKY was 19.8mph.... thats with everything coming together. I am here to tell you that looking at your biking over the past year, I am not sure that you would have made it to the "death march" part of the race. I'm not trying to be mean... I am just basing this off of your log and all of your comments leading up to this event.

For 99% of us out there, there is no such animal as an "easy" Iron distance race. I like the longer events too, but there was nothing fun about the run portion of this course. As you are doing your "death march" you get to come within 50 yards of the finish....listening to all the cheers... then you get to hang a right and start all over on a second loop. If your head is not screwed on straight and you are having a bad day, that very easily can become a deal ender.

Good luck to you on whatever you decide to do. I just hope you really think about your approach. If you are year out and you are already looking for an "easy" IRON distance race or calculating cut off times, you are not putting yourself in a very good position.

Kenny
2008-09-03 5:41 PM
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yeah I know the 112 mile bike would be the thing that would potentially kill me. Biking scares me but considering the weather conditions of my him I did this year and the pain I was in I am alot closer to doing the 100 miles.

I figure next year I will do my hims and a couple of centuries and if I can find myself running some miles after my june century I may go ahead and sign up for a non mdot race. If I can not bike 100 miles I can not bike 112 after swimming 2.4 miles and running 26.2


2008-09-03 5:55 PM
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Ten9T6 - 2008-09-03 5:32 PM

chirunner134 - 2008-09-03 4:14 PM

I like death marches. Its why I got into racing in the first place. First race was the marathon and I done 11 marathon since then and several untrained. Need pain somehow .

I been leaning to the stay away unless I kona lottery or feel strong and do a non Mdot.

I figure I might as well Kona lottery because chances are I will not get in that, but who knows.


You still have to complete the 112 mile bike ride before you can get to that death march you like so much. You have said on multiple occasions that you do not like to bike. I love the bike and my fastest century with hills and heat, leading up to IMKY was 19.8mph.... thats with everything coming together. I am here to tell you that looking at your biking over the past year, I am not sure that you would have made it to the "death march" part of the race. I'm not trying to be mean... I am just basing this off of your log and all of your comments leading up to this event.

For 99% of us out there, there is no such animal as an "easy" Iron distance race. I like the longer events too, but there was nothing fun about the run portion of this course. As you are doing your "death march" you get to come within 50 yards of the finish....listening to all the cheers... then you get to hang a right and start all over on a second loop. If your head is not screwed on straight and you are having a bad day, that very easily can become a deal ender.

Good luck to you on whatever you decide to do. I just hope you really think about your approach. If you are year out and you are already looking for an "easy" IRON distance race or calculating cut off times, you are not putting yourself in a very good position.

Kenny


Well put Kenny!

No IM is easy. Not even Florida. Gosh, I picked Kentucky over Florida because the wind and ocean swim sounded harder than what Kentucky would throw at me.

2008-09-03 6:05 PM
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2008-09-03 6:07 PM
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KSH - 2008-09-03 5:55 PM Ten9T6 - 2008-09-03 5:32 PM  Gosh, I picked Kentucky over Florida because the wind and ocean swim sounded harder than what Kentucky would throw at me.

 

Amen sister!  x2.  These are the exact 2 reasons I settled on IMKY over IMFL.



Edited by Rogillio 2008-09-03 6:08 PM
2008-09-04 12:51 AM
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Yeah - there's no such thing as an easy Ironman. After the horrible swim conditions at CDA in 2007 I swore nothing could be worse than that swim. I should have kept my mouth closed since 2008 was like record cold water temps and I swam 1.2 of the miles completely numb with my fingers frozen apart.

I've seen your logs and followed your progress and as someone with knee issues I can tell you that you want above all to go into IM training completely healthy. Get a good 1/2 IM under your belt. A strong century ride and then see.

Either way you know we're all here when you pull the trigger again to cheer you on!
2008-09-09 7:01 AM
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Why even ask for opinions if you're just going to ignore the collective recommendation?  And it's not like the vote was even CLOSE on what you should do. 


 
chirunner134 - 2008-09-08 10:57 PM add me to the IMMoo list. I decided to try to sign up figuring I would not get in online and I got in online.


2008-09-09 7:09 AM
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BAER

(big a** eye roll)

I hate when people do that. i.e. ask then ignore.

2008-09-09 8:53 AM
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yeah I am sorry about that. I did not mean to sign up. I did not go to madison and I assumed it was going to sell out in person. I was off because I was planning on going to madison but I did not go because I did not plan on signing up. I decided to see if it was sold out and lone and behold I got in. Next thing you know I was putting in my CC info and bam.

Its been a life long dream to complete the IM. After saturday I decided my 10k swim dream might been too much too soon. I need something to drive me forward. It might be too much too soon. I know I am smarter and wiser than I was this year.

I do thank you all for your advice and I probably wished I took it but its hard to say no to your dreams.

Next year I will need someone tie me up on registration day. .



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2008-09-09 9:18 AM
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JeepFleeb - 2008-09-09 9:02 AM

chirunner134 - 2008-09-09 8:53 AM
yeah I am sorry about that. I did not mean to sign up. I did not go to madison and I assumed it was going to sell out in person. I was off because I was planning on going to madison but I did not go because I did not plan on signing up. I decided to see if it was sold out and lone and behold I got in. Next thing you know I was putting in my CC info and bam.

Am I the only one who wants to pull their hair out when they read stuff like this?

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NNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNoooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!

If you were on the site then you meant to sign up. !!!!!!! Don't play it off as anything but that.  This is like saying you didn't mean to sleep with someone and you just "tripped" and it fell in the right place... It just doesn't happen like that.
Forget all the talk about asking for advice, recieving good sound advice then ignoring it. You also mention you don't want to just throw money away. But it looks like you just did. So now your only option is to start biking. lot's don't do any other events none zero, save your money for your IM, save your body and time for training. There is no turning back now 

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