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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() in the big chain ring (53) and in the 13 tooth cog I'm at 33 MPH at 104 rpm cadence. This was on today's ride coming down the Causeways (bridges) with a tailwind. I honestly don't need to go any faster, after that I can rest! So I'm thinking that instead of a 12/25 for my race wheel I should put on a 13-25. I see there is such an Ultegra cassette in the Junior grouping. I was trying to take some other mental notes with my gearing. Small chain ring (39), 14 cog, 100 rpms was ~22mph. I can definitely handle that, any faster it's the big ring so I don't have to worry about using the small-13 cog for excessive cross-gearing. For the opposite case in today's headwind up the big Causeway was small ring, 23 cog, 84 rpms 11.4 mph. A 25 cog would have been much nicer. Only hiccup is that I read that the 13-25 is not compatible with 10-speed Dura-Ace freehubs, not sure what is on the American Classic race wheel, need to research that. Am I missing anything here? Seems like for most people a 13-25 with a 53/39 would be better solution. Or a 12/x with a compact crank. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() When I was racing road, and even now that I'm not, the 50/34 compact with an 11-23 in back was (and still is) the best setup I've ever ridden. All the high end of a 53/39 but with an extra couple wall-climbing gears. A 34/23 is no joke and will get you up most hills. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DrPete - 2008-09-06 9:37 AMs. A 34/23 is no joke and will get you up most hills. That doesn't make it for me. I need a setup for ALL hills. :-) |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() E=H2O - 2008-09-06 12:44 PM DrPete - 2008-09-06 9:37 AMs. A 34/23 is no joke and will get you up most hills. That doesn't make it for me. I need a setup for ALL hills. :-) I got up there with an 11/23... So maybe "most hills" was an understatement. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() DrPete - 2008-09-06 12:37 PM When I was racing road, and even now that I'm not, the 50/34 compact with an 11-23 in back was (and still is) the best setup I've ever ridden. All the high end of a 53/39 but with an extra couple wall-climbing gears. A 34/23 is no joke and will get you up most hills. Hey nice pix. THAT setup you have looks like a very nice combination of gearing! "oh honey I need to buy something else..." Nah that's not going to fly right now
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I ride a 53 with a 12-25 in the back and I really wish I had a 11-23 instead. Just would need to buy 3 to make life easy. So I haven't yet. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I was in college at CU Boulder and I always rode with a 52/42 and the largest cog was a 21. We would ride up to 10,000 feet in the rockies. But those days are long gone for me. After climbing in the Alps for 2 weeks in my 40s I was glad to have a 53/39 - 13/26 set up. Even with that my mountain goat friend (145lbs and living in Durango) was riding with a triple and spun past me so fast I felt I should throw my bike down Ventoux. |
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Cycling Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() E=H2O - 2008-09-06 12:44 PM That doesn't make it for me. I need a setup for ALL hills. :-) 53/39 with an 11-23 seems to work fine for me for that ....... |
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Extreme Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I like a 12-27 cassette for the steep uphills. I frequently use the granny gear on steep uphills, but rarely need the additional gearing at 35-40 mph. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The most common gearings are 11-23 and 12-25. For your situation, sounds like your current pairing doesn't work too well because of terrain, and effort. Great. So go 11-25. Simple, easy solution. Lots of gears, and a pretty good top end. Btw, the only advantage a 13-25 will provide you is closer gear ratios, sorta, and an EASIER top end?! I don't get it. IMHO, you always want the 11 on a downhill, and you (most) always want the 25 for an uphill. On the downside, if you ride a 13 on the downhill, you could gear out, AND lose distance and time. I know of no triathletes that ride a 13, unless they have a triple. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() rkreuser - 2008-09-07 9:00 PM I know of no triathletes that ride a 13, unless they have a triple. I guess that's me. :-) However, over the years I have come to learn to be a very goo descender. I use a low profile (road bike) tuck position developed over years decending in the mountains. I go into it as soon as I spin out. NO NONE has ever passed me going down hill. And I fly past many people. The one criticism that is valid is that holding a tight tuck uses a lot of energy. But I do get a kick watching people having to pass me a second or third time going uphill only to have me pass them going down hill. I love going fast downhill. |
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Cycling Guru ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() E=H2O - 2008-09-08 1:34 AM rkreuser - 2008-09-07 9:00 PM I know of no triathletes that ride a 13, unless they have a triple. I guess that's me. :-) However, over the years I have come to learn to be a very goo descender. I use a low profile (road bike) tuck position developed over years decending in the mountains. I go into it as soon as I spin out. NO NONE has ever passed me going down hill. And I fly past many people. The one criticism that is valid is that holding a tight tuck uses a lot of energy. But I do get a kick watching people having to pass me a second or third time going uphill only to have me pass them going down hill. I love going fast downhill. And a 13 will not really let you do that ........ I regularly hit 35 - 40 on most of my rides on downhills and as much as 42 a lot. Which in my 53/11 is going pretty hard at around 100 rpm. Can't do that with a 13 ...... especially if you're running a 50 compact. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Thanks for the feedback all. But the big thing is this, I live on the FL east coast, my regular "hills" are 1/4 mile long ups and downs on the couple 4-5% grade Causeway bridges we have here with or without a decent tail-headwind. I have been using my existing OEM 12-23 for everything and have only used the 53/12 once in a race (20-30 mph tailwind & down a bridge) for a total of 1.5 miles, and a handful of times training only for short distances, so for my situation (IMHO) it is a wasted gear. Now I've used the 39/23 way more and in a Clermont (central FL) race in 06 I could have used a 25 to 27 gear but not the top end. As I stated in the OP, ~33 mph top end (53-13) was fine for me, I'll rest and stay low the rest of the way! If I lived in an area that had sustainable downhill runs or was looking at a course like LP, yes a 12-25 or compact/11-23 would probably the ticket. I guess I'm just being over analytical about it like I usually am! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Daremo - 2008-09-08 3:55 AM E=H2O - 2008-09-08 1:34 AM rkreuser - 2008-09-07 9:00 PM I know of no triathletes that ride a 13, unless they have a triple. I guess that's me. :-) However, over the years I have come to learn to be a very goo descender. I use a low profile (road bike) tuck position developed over years decending in the mountains. I go into it as soon as I spin out. NO NONE has ever passed me going down hill. And I fly past many people. The one criticism that is valid is that holding a tight tuck uses a lot of energy. But I do get a kick watching people having to pass me a second or third time going uphill only to have me pass them going down hill. I love going fast downhill. And a 13 will not really let you do that ........ I regularly hit 35 - 40 on most of my rides on downhills and as much as 42 a lot. Which in my 53/11 is going pretty hard at around 100 rpm. Can't do that with a 13 ...... especially if you're running a 50 compact. You are right, there is no way I can hit those on gentle downhills. But so long as the hill (or mountain) has broad sweeping turns (or is straight) I easily blow past 40 mph. I will admit that even on perfectly trued wheels, I sit up at 55. I just don't have the nerves for anything faster. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() "You are right, there is no way I can hit those on gentle downhills. But so long as the hill (or mountain) has broad sweeping turns (or is straight) I easily blow past 40 mph. I will admit that even on perfectly trued wheels, I sit up at 55. I just don't have the nerves for anything faster." I get nervous on my hills too, but for a different reason. I top out on my local steepest downgrade at 48mph. Speed is ok, but I live in a semi-rural area, so I am just waiting for a car to come out of a driveway (nothing but woods, so if they don't look carefully...oops) or even more of a thought to me, since I ride in the late afternoon/early evening is having a deer cross paths with me. I've had a couple run beside me along the road (they keep up for a suprisingly log time), but I am just waiting for the fateful day when one takes a left turn or the whole herd does. There are 17k deer/car accidents in NJ every year, with minor injuries at most (at least to the people) usually. I think a road-bike, almost Clydesdale, deer accident wouldn't be pretty for all involved. Edited by kagoscuba 2008-09-08 12:01 PM |