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2009-06-18 11:16 AM

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Subject: Bilatteral breathing
Anyone have any tips for mastering this evil voodoo?

Swimming is actually probably my strongest sport. However, I have spent most of my life breathing off the right side. I think I have swallowed more water in the last week than I care to trying to get this down.

So again does anyone have any nifty tips on on reprogramming your breathing while swimming that enhanced the "repetition drill"???

Thanks,

Matt


2009-06-18 11:27 AM
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have you ever done one-armed drill sets?  When I use only my left arm it forces me to breath in that direction, thus forcing me to get comfortable with bilateral breathing...helped me a lot.
2009-06-18 11:34 AM
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I learned to breathe bilaterally by alternating unilateral breathing on the right and left (by length).  I'm now very comfortable with bilateral breathing, but still usually do unilateral breathing in triathlons (I seem to come out of the water less winded).  What's nice about practicing bad-side unilateral breathing is that in the open water, sometimes the only place to breathe is to the left (if there are waves coming from the right), and it's really nice to be at least capable of breathing to other side.

2009-06-18 12:57 PM
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2x on left arm drills.  You can also trying breathing every second stroke then every third stroke.  So the side you breathe on goes like this: LLRRLLRRLLRRLLRRLL etc etc.  This will help if you feel like bilateral breathing takes too much time in between breaths.  Once you get comfortable with that then just straight bilateral breathing should be easy.
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have you ever done one-armed drill sets?  When I use only my left arm it forces me to breath in that direction, thus forcing me to get comfortable with bilateral breathing...helped me a lot.


x2. If you do this and stick with it, you'll be bilateral breathing soon enough. Practice practice practice!

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2009-06-18 1:44 PM
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Subject: RE: Bilatteral breathing
jedibluez - 2009-06-18 12:16 PM Anyone have any tips for mastering this evil voodoo?

Swimming is actually probably my strongest sport. However, I have spent most of my life breathing off the right side. I think I have swallowed more water in the last week than I care to trying to get this down.

So again does anyone have any nifty tips on on reprogramming your breathing while swimming that enhanced the "repetition drill"???

Thanks,

Matt


Swimming is my strongest sport and I have the same issue (except I breathe from the left). It just feels so wrong from the right. I posted on here a few weeks ago and some people recommended I practice more from the right. I have been doing that some, but it still feels slow, awkward and weird.


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jedibluez - 2009-06-18 12:16 PM Anyone have any tips for mastering this evil voodoo?

Swimming is actually probably my strongest sport. However, I have spent most of my life breathing off the right side. I think I have swallowed more water in the last week than I care to trying to get this down.

So again does anyone have any nifty tips on on reprogramming your breathing while swimming that enhanced the "repetition drill"???

Thanks,

Matt


Swimming is my strongest sport and I have the same issue (except I breathe from the left). It just feels so wrong from the right. I posted on here a few weeks ago and some people recommended I practice more from the right. I have been doing that some, but it still feels slow, awkward and weird.

 

Yes you will feel slow. Don't worry about your times relative to your unilateral times in practice. As you improve your times will improve reflecting your improved stroke.

Part of the feeling of awkwardness and weirdness is that you haven't been doing it that way, but mostly is because you haven't mastered the skill. Keep working on it, a little bit more each week. Focus on you body position and elbow position during the recovery and catch phase of the stroke. Also during your warm up practice a long reach, with good body rotation. I almost glide momentarily. It makes me program my stroke. Many people do find the one arm drill helpful.

It is a difficult but important skill, and takes time. I remember when I first learned it I went through the same process. I also found myself resorting to my strong side when I was racing, but occasionally breathed to my weak side for a break. Now because of long standing shoulder problems, I have been working on it extensively and am almost at the point of switching back and forth without thinking.

When I did Alcatraz I breathed almost entirely to my weak side because of wind chop coming from my strong side.

 

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jedibluez - 2009-06-18 12:16 PM Anyone have any tips for mastering this evil voodoo?

Swimming is actually probably my strongest sport. However, I have spent most of my life breathing off the right side. I think I have swallowed more water in the last week than I care to trying to get this down.

So again does anyone have any nifty tips on on reprogramming your breathing while swimming that enhanced the "repetition drill"???

Thanks,

Matt


Swimming is my strongest sport and I have the same issue (except I breathe from the left). It just feels so wrong from the right. I posted on here a few weeks ago and some people recommended I practice more from the right. I have been doing that some, but it still feels slow, awkward and weird.

 

Yes you will feel slow. Don't worry about your times relative to your unilateral times in practice. As you improve your times will improve reflecting your improved stroke.

Part of the feeling of awkwardness and weirdness is that you haven't been doing it that way, but mostly is because you haven't mastered the skill. Keep working on it, a little bit more each week. Focus on you body position and elbow position during the recovery and catch phase of the stroke. Also during your warm up practice a long reach, with good body rotation. I almost glide momentarily. It makes me program my stroke. Many people do find the one arm drill helpful.

It is a difficult but important skill, and takes time. I remember when I first learned it I went through the same process. I also found myself resorting to my strong side when I was racing, but occasionally breathed to my weak side for a break. Now because of long standing shoulder problems, I have been working on it extensively and am almost at the point of switching back and forth without thinking.

When I did Alcatraz I breathed almost entirely to my weak side because of wind chop coming from my strong side.

 



X2. It's usually hard to breathe on your weak side because you aren't rotating to that side very well. Get good at bilateral rotation (is that even a phrase?) and the breathing will be a piece of cake.
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Thanks for all the great advice!!!

I will add the mentioned drills to my swims...
2009-06-18 3:47 PM
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jedibluez - 2009-06-18 12:16 PM

Anyone have any tips for mastering this evil voodoo?

Swimming is actually probably my strongest sport. However, I have spent most of my life breathing off the right side. I think I have swallowed more water in the last week than I care to trying to get this down.

So again does anyone have any nifty tips on on reprogramming your breathing while swimming that enhanced the "repetition drill"???

Thanks,

Matt


Out of curiousity, if you have always breathed to one side, why do you want to learn how to bilatteral breathe?
2009-06-18 3:54 PM
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From what I am told breathing to one side will over develop your shoulders on one side so you are not swimming evenly. To me that says you aren not going to swim a strait a line as you would otherwise.

I also hear it is handy for sighting landmarks for navigation and being able to swim well if you can breathe to either side in waves and chop.

The other point that I read somewhere is that it is one way to improve your swim speed and a good breathing pattern for long distance swimming.

Keep in mind I am a n00b so all of this seems to make sense...


2009-06-18 3:55 PM
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Agree with several, one-armed-drill is the best way.  But when I started to try to get better at it, I had the same problem and it was because I was completely losing form when I tried to breathe left.  Make sure you check your form with your left arm breathing also.  Tuck chin to shoulder, good roll, breathe out before your mouth gets to the surface, etc. 

Now, I'm faster with the Breathe R, L, R, Breathe L, R, L, Breathe Right.  than with my 4-count right breathing only.

Gotta learn how to bilatteral so you can see if someone's on the left, to follow the shore if you're in the ocean, in-case some jerk is on your right and he keeps hugging-up too close to you.  There's a lot of reasons to learn to breathe on both sides.

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jedibluez - 2009-06-18 4:54 PM

From what I am told breathing to one side will over develop your shoulders on one side so you are not swimming evenly. To me that says you aren not going to swim a strait a line as you would otherwise.

I also hear it is handy for sighting landmarks for navigation and being able to swim well if you can breathe to either side in waves and chop.

The other point that I read somewhere is that it is one way to improve your swim speed and a good breathing pattern for long distance swimming.

Keep in mind I am a n00b so all of this seems to make sense...


In my experience, I would say don't worry about shoulder development or swimming in a straight line because you breathe to one side. Bilatteral can be handy for sighting and breathing to one side if you have very bad chop though I would say this is rarely needed.

Swim speed....a tough call IMO. From my experience, breathing to one side vs bilatteral breathing has little effect on overall swim speed for both beginners and advanced swimmers. I don't think bilatteral breathers are slower or faster than those that breathe to one side. Take a look at a college meet or the Olympics and watch the distance events - usually there is a pretty even split of bilatteral vs. one sided breathers. Check out a local tri, my guess is you will see the same result at the front, middle and back of the pack. From what I have seen (and been taught by some very good coaches) bilatteral breathing vs. one sided breathing has little, if any effect on overall speed.
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jedibluez - 2009-06-18 4:54 PM From what I am told breathing to one side will over develop your shoulders on one side so you are not swimming evenly. To me that says you aren not going to swim a strait a line as you would otherwise.

I also hear it is handy for sighting landmarks for navigation and being able to swim well if you can breathe to either side in waves and chop.

The other point that I read somewhere is that it is one way to improve your swim speed and a good breathing pattern for long distance swimming.

Keep in mind I am a n00b so all of this seems to make sense...
In my experience, I would say don't worry about shoulder development or swimming in a straight line because you breathe to one side. Bilatteral can be handy for sighting and breathing to one side if you have very bad chop though I would say this is rarely needed. Swim speed....a tough call IMO. From my experience, breathing to one side vs bilatteral breathing has little effect on overall swim speed for both beginners and advanced swimmers. I don't think bilatteral breathers are slower or faster than those that breathe to one side. Take a look at a college meet or the Olympics and watch the distance events - usually there is a pretty even split of bilatteral vs. one sided breathers. Check out a local tri, my guess is you will see the same result at the front, middle and back of the pack. From what I have seen (and been taught by some very good coaches) bilatteral breathing vs. one sided breathing has little, if any effect on overall speed.

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