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2009-07-02 8:28 AM

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Subject: Need to know if the advice I got was correct regarding a new bike

I went to the bike store yesterday to take a look at getting a bike computer because I want to start tracking my gains or losses accurately for training. While I was there I thought I would tap the owner of the shop on some advice on getting a tri specific bike and what size I need and such. He was very helpful. Seemed to be steering me towards a Cannondale. I asked why not Trek as that is what I am on now. He said the rims they come with are not as strong for my weight, I am currently 250 and 6'4". He explain that the widely spaced twin spoke design is not as strong as an and equally space spoked design, and that the twin spoke design is for Aerodynamics but for the Aerodynamic effects you loose strength. All sounds plausible. No problems here. He went to get me a catalog and wrote down some prices in the catalog for Cannondale. He then asked " what are you riding now" I said a Trek Mountain bike, no suspension, with road tires. He then seemed kind of taken back. Said that getting a Tri bike is not the course I want to go. That even pro triatheltes don't train on tri bikes. They only use those for the races because the position you sit in with the aero bars is uncomfortable. He said I should just get a road bike and then I could switch components as I go along to transition to a tri bike, then eventually get a tri bike

This doesn't make sense to me, how could you not train on the very instrument you are going to use in your race? Sort of like don't train on a treadmill because it does not train you accurately for what you will encounter in a race? I can't imagine training in a totally different riding position all the time and the suddenly on race day plop onto a tri bike and be ready to sit like that for how ever long your race is. Does this sound right????



2009-07-02 8:38 AM
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Subject: RE: Need to know if the advice I got was correct regarding a new bike
http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/bikes/difference.shtml

good article to read before you even speak with anyone.  to get a good sense of the differences.

FYI this argument pops up on this forum 2-3 times a week.  I will say this, i have a tri-bike, i only ever had a tri bike, i only want to do triathlons, i never saw a reason not to get a tri bike, and my aero position is more comfy then riding on a road bike.  (i have ridden a road bike) although comparing comfort between road and tri bike is quite difficult....
2009-07-02 8:39 AM
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Lots of people train on their tri bikes.  You might switch out wheels for race day, but day in and day out training on a tri bike is fine.  Other people train on road bikes.  Many people have multiple bikes that they train on depending on the ride or mood or various circumstances.  If you only want to have a single bike and have the flexibility of riding in different situations (group rides, lots of climbing, etc.), then a road bike with clip-on aero bars might be something to consider.  But there's nothing wrong with going with a tri bike if that is going to be your cycling focus.

2009-07-02 8:44 AM
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If I had a tri bike I would ride it when ever I was not in a group, but I don't so I ride my road bike.
If you want both worlds you could do what I have. Road bike with a fast forward seat post and clip-on aero bars. Not a full on tri bike but closer then a stock road bike.
2009-07-02 9:20 AM
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I only have a tri bike, therefore I only ever ride a tri bike. No problems here yet.
2009-07-02 9:30 AM
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Subject: RE: Need to know if the advice I got was correct regarding a new bike

I only have a tri bike...

If you liked the Trek Bike he could have always sold you some MAVIC open pro wheels, those things are bomb proof training wheels and very cheap, heck he could have switched them out there for you.

Some pros do most of their riding on their tri specific bikes...

Sounds like silly advice from a LBS...



2009-07-02 9:48 AM
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Subject: RE: Need to know if the advice I got was correct regarding a new bike
trix - 2009-07-02 6:38 AM http://www.bikesportmichigan.com/bikes/difference.shtml

good article to read before you even speak with anyone.  to get a good sense of the differences.

FYI this argument pops up on this forum 2-3 times a week.  I will say this, i have a tri-bike, i only ever had a tri bike, i only want to do triathlons, i never saw a reason not to get a tri bike, and my aero position is more comfy then riding on a road bike.  (i have ridden a road bike) although comparing comfort between road and tri bike is quite difficult....


Reading this article it reminded me one of the first things he said that it is very tiring to ride in the aerodynamic postion on a tri bike as opposed to a road bike.  Though this article is saying the opposite, thats one of the whole points of the aero postions is that you are not having to hold yoruself up like you are on a road bike.  hmmm, I am sure he knows plenty about bikes, but seems like not to much about triathlons and tri bikes.... :\
2009-07-02 10:14 AM
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WOW! If someone in a LBS told me to not get a tri bike because the pros don't even train on their tri bikes... I would go to a different LBS... because I would think that person knew NOTHING about my sport.

2009-07-02 10:43 AM
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I had this same sort of thing happen.  I was riding a 15 year old Schwinn road bike and wasn't sure if I wanted a new road or tri bike.  I found a sweet deal on a tri bike and the salesman told me to not get rid of my old Schwinn as I would like still want to ride it for training.  After less then 1 week, I put the old Schwinn on Craigslist and never looked back.  I love my tri bike and have no desire to get a road bike.  IMHO, once you are used to riding aero, everything else seems uncomfortable. 
2009-07-02 10:51 AM
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i said this the last time we had this. 

ever since i started trithlons, i loved tri bikes, i would see them in the races and get super jealous.  finally after 5 triathlons i broke down and bought one. 

BUT when i got to the 1st LBS i was told PRETTY MUCH what you were told.  almost word for word:
-you never rode so get a road bike
-its easier in groups
-you can buy a tri later

then i went to another LBS and immediately the owner put me on the tri, gave me a quick fit on both a roadie and tri and made me ride each for about 5 min.  while pointing out all the differences to me and my father. 

i made the right choice getting a tri bike.  would i  like a roadie...sure...but i think i would rather spend money on yet another tri. 

2009-07-02 11:10 AM
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And then I bet he said to come back in 2 years when you're ready for the tri bike and buy it from him, right? In my experience, 90% of people that work at LBS's act like "unappreciated scholars", talk down to people, and are just arseholes. Again, not I don't mean to insult anyone, as this has only been my personal experience, but I can't stand the bike shop crowd.

Get the tri bike if you want and train like a champ!


2009-07-02 11:17 AM
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I think he is right and wrong.  If you're going to train for triathlons, you use your Tri bike.  The notion that pro's don't train on their tri bike is nonsense.

BUT....

If you're a newbie and you don't know if you are going to stay with the sport or are new to the scene, (ie upgrading from a mtn bike), I would also steer you into a road bike.  A road bike is a good all around bike that will allow you to ride in groups (roadies), race tri's(add aero bars), race the bike in general, learn to climb (which is WAY different on a tri specific vice road geometry, etc.  And you can change it back and forth after the tri season. 

If you only have one bike and want to be an overall better cyclist, I would say start out with the road bike.  You will, generally, spend less money and have a better overall experience.
2009-07-02 11:37 AM
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Subject: RE: Need to know if the advice I got was correct regarding a new bike
trix - 2009-07-02 8:51 AM i said this the last time we had this. 

-its easier in groups



Yep said this too, I was wondering why he would say that to me when I gave no indication that I was going to be riding in groups :\
Thanks all for your advice. I thought something was up, I am sure its just want he has heard or been trained. I thought I should double check with those that actually participate in the sport before making a decision.
Now I just have to get the funds to get the bike :\ When that days comes I think I will go to a tri specific shop.

2009-07-02 11:42 AM
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Subject: RE: Need to know if the advice I got was correct regarding a new bike
clydesdale64 - 2009-07-02 12:37 PM
trix - 2009-07-02 8:51 AM i said this the last time we had this. 

-its easier in groups



Yep said this too, I was wondering why he would say that to me when I gave no indication that I was going to be riding in groups :\
Thanks all for your advice. I thought something was up, I am sure its just want he has heard or been trained. I thought I should double check with those that actually participate in the sport before making a decision.
Now I just have to get the funds to get the bike :\ When that days comes I think I will go to a tri specific shop.



If you want to get better as a cyclist and a triathlete, riding in a group will help a lot. 
2009-07-02 11:44 AM
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Marvarnett - 2009-07-02 9:17 AM I think he is right and wrong.  If you're going to train for triathlons, you use your Tri bike.  The notion that pro's don't train on their tri bike is nonsense.

BUT....

If you're a newbie and you don't know if you are going to stay with the sport or are new to the scene, (ie upgrading from a mtn bike), I would also steer you into a road bike.  A road bike is a good all around bike that will allow you to ride in groups (roadies), race tri's(add aero bars), race the bike in general, learn to climb (which is WAY different on a tri specific vice road geometry, etc.  And you can change it back and forth after the tri season. 

If you only have one bike and want to be an overall better cyclist, I would say start out with the road bike.  You will, generally, spend less money and have a better overall experience.


  I used to bike quite a bit at one time. So I am not a newbie to biking. Use my Mountain bike for road and offroad just switching the tires.I used to have a road bike that I grew out of. Never have thought of doing any kind of road work with groups. My focus now is triathlons. I am already doing double days and have a whole work out regimin geared for tri's so that is what I am sticking with.  And besides the road bikes he was showing me was the same price as the Tri bikes. Coming from advice I got  in the clyde section I was sticking with a carbon fiber frame as they all seem to agree they are stiffer that aluminum for the extra weight that clydes like myself put on them.
2009-07-02 11:46 AM
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Subject: RE: Need to know if the advice I got was correct regarding a new bike
Marvarnett - 2009-07-02 9:42 AM
clydesdale64 - 2009-07-02 12:37 PM
trix - 2009-07-02 8:51 AM i said this the last time we had this. 

-its easier in groups



Yep said this too, I was wondering why he would say that to me when I gave no indication that I was going to be riding in groups :\
Thanks all for your advice. I thought something was up, I am sure its just want he has heard or been trained. I thought I should double check with those that actually participate in the sport before making a decision.
Now I just have to get the funds to get the bike :\ When that days comes I think I will go to a tri specific shop.



If you want to get better as a cyclist and a triathlete, riding in a group will help a lot. 


I can still ride in a group with a tri bike though right?  I read in the article suggested above that some in riding groups don't those on tri bikes biking with them because some tend to crash. 

Edited by clydesdale64 2009-07-02 12:08 PM


2009-07-02 12:23 PM
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Subject: RE: Need to know if the advice I got was correct regarding a new bike
clydesdale64 - 2009-07-02 12:46 PM
Marvarnett - 2009-07-02 9:42 AM
clydesdale64 - 2009-07-02 12:37 PM
trix - 2009-07-02 8:51 AM i said this the last time we had this. 

-its easier in groups



Yep said this too, I was wondering why he would say that to me when I gave no indication that I was going to be riding in groups :\
Thanks all for your advice. I thought something was up, I am sure its just want he has heard or been trained. I thought I should double check with those that actually participate in the sport before making a decision.
Now I just have to get the funds to get the bike :\ When that days comes I think I will go to a tri specific shop.



If you want to get better as a cyclist and a triathlete, riding in a group will help a lot. 


I can still ride in a group with a tri bike though right?  I read in the article suggested above that some in riding groups don't those on tri bikes biking with them because some tend to crash. 


It's hit or miss when you show up to a group ride on a Tri bike.  Unless you know the group, 9 times out of 10 they will either not let you ride with them or have you stay in the back.  It's a handling and trust thing. 

Just NEVER be in aero while in a pace line or pace for that matter.  Bad juju's.
2009-07-02 1:00 PM
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i ride in several different groups and had no issues.  but i do a couple of things:

- ride on the hood
- when i pull, i will only get in aero when its a wide clean stretch of road

i have ridden with about half a dozen different teams / groups.

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