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2009-08-03 3:37 PM

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Well, I've heard horror stories of aggressive drivers, and over the past few weeks, drivers have gotten pretty aggressive with me. I hope it doesn't get worse, but anyway...

For those that do carry, do  you keep it in a fanny pack, or a bike holster, or what? I'm thinking about carrying my .40 XD in a fanny pack and having it on the small of my back when I'm riding. I figure i can put alot of other stuff in the pack, so that I don't have to have the little bag underneath my saddle.

If you have any better ideas, please let me know. Thanks!


2009-08-03 3:59 PM
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Really?  You think you need to carry a .40 Cal handgun to protect yourself from aggressive drivers?

Seems to me like this hasn't been fully though out!
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2009-08-03 4:02 PM
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You are kidding right? Forgot to use the red font right?????
2009-08-03 4:06 PM
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I know several people in my area that carry every time they ride including two LBS owners. I just had the same conversation with an ex-cop co-worker today about what I could do legally because my friend and I got purposely run off the road sunday on our ride. We were both well into a designated bike lane and heard a truck rev up. I looked back and swerved right just in time to get missed. The guy missed my friend by maybe and inch with his mirror. He purposely swerved and came into our bike lane. WTF ......Can't say I could shoot someone for it but it does suck and it seems to be happening more and more. My ex cop buddy is also a rider and says unless you actually get hit or a cop sees it happen, that there is really nothing legally that I could do........Kinda suxs

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2009-08-03 4:09 PM
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Are you afraid of or anticipating a fight on the side of the road? Personally, my biggest fear is getting hit by a car at 60mph. Obviously, a weapon is not going to help with this. By the time a driver is actually parked at the side of the road and out of their car, most of the danger has subsided. In which case it is time for cooler heads to prevail and diffuse the situation.

I'm sure you have thought out your scenario; share them with us.
2009-08-03 4:09 PM
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that's why I tow one of these bad boys behind me...

the extra weight is great training also



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2009-08-03 4:12 PM
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I have a CWP. No offense, but i think this needs to be thought out some more. Remember something, no matter if you are right, wrong or indifferent, do you REALLY think that carrying is necessary on a bike? I mean are you willing to kill someone? Again, no offense. I carry my cell phone and not my Glock 30 on my bike!

This is going to be a huge thread.......
2009-08-03 4:17 PM
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I don't believe I would carry a gun on a ride...Seems like you would be putting yourself at more risk than whomever you trying to scare away....

also, what if you take a fall, or do get run over....  a loaded gun hitting the ground at speed may be more danger to yourself and others.
2009-08-03 4:18 PM
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OK, because i can't help it. Think about this scenario. Driver runs you off road, things are said, you pull gun for what ever reason. Driver calls cops and says a biker just pulled a gun on me. Now its your word against his. In the state of Florida, that equals aggravated assault with a deadly weapon, which equals 10 years in prison. No f****ing way.........
2009-08-03 4:18 PM
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There are times to be strapped but when doing a training ride is probably not one of them unless your riding through bad sections of town where some crack head might jack you for your ride. not to mention that if you went down you may end up shooting yourself or something stupid. for agressive drivers i prefer to chuck fruit at them like a large orange or grapefruit works wonders to grab their attention.
2009-08-03 4:20 PM
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is throwing a grapefruit aggrevated battery? i don't think so. go with the fruit


2009-08-03 4:31 PM
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Hmmmm....... I had a pretty good reply all typed up but I've decided to sit this one out. If you are legally licensed to carry, do so as you (and the law) see fit.

You will probably get better and more helpful responses from a firearms forum though, unless you just wanted to stir up a hornets nest.
2009-08-03 4:32 PM
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don't feed the trolls, people
2009-08-03 4:35 PM
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I'll have to agree with everyone else. I have a CCW but I 've never even thought about carrying on a bike rise. I can't really imagine a scenario that a hand gun would help. It just seems like extra weight to carry.  Although if it makes you feel better and you can carry legally go ahead but I'd make darn sure it was protected against an accidental discharge. Also your life better be on the line before you unholster it. 
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2009-08-03 4:53 PM
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racerman - 2009-08-03 4:06 PM

I know several people in my area that carry every time they ride including two LBS owners. I just had the same conversation with an ex-cop co-worker today about what I could do legally because my friend and I got purposely run off the road sunday on our ride. We were both well into a designated bike lane and heard a truck rev up. I looked back and swerved right just in time to get missed. The guy missed my friend by maybe and inch with his mirror. He purposely swerved and came into our bike lane. WTF ......Can't say I could shoot someone for it but it does suck and it seems to be happening more and more. My ex cop buddy is also a rider and says unless you actually get hit or a cop sees it happen, that there is really nothing legally that I could do........Kinda suxs


So, in that scenario... how would a gun have helped you?

What... you were going to shoot out his tires as he drove off? Sure, if he came back to attack you and got out of the car, at least you would have a scare tactic to keep the guy from seriously hurting you... assuming he didn't have a gun.

Here are the facts, some people in cars hate people on bikes. They are in cars. As much as we hate it, they can kill us... very quickly and easily... and pretty much get away with it. Our best defense is to be polite, stay out of their way and to jump into a ditch when the time comes.


2009-08-03 5:17 PM
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I have a CWP and carry the XD 40 compact when I ride in a fannypack. Its not that I will pull it out when someone runs me off the road, Ill pull it out when confronted by someone. The same reason I carry it when I go to the 7 11 or Target. Its not to hurt people its to protect myself. When your on the bike and a truck comes by messing with you and they jump out with a bat what are you going to do. When you are trained with a weapon you dont do stupid things like brandish a weapon just to scare people or shoot tires out.


2009-08-03 5:39 PM
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In PA it's called a LTCF (License to carry firearm), which is a concealed carry license. However, open carry is perfectly legal and there is absolutely NOTHING wrong with it. People (commonly on the left) who typically fear firearms are very similar to people (commonly on the right) who are homophobic.  It's a fear based in ignorance in both cases.

That said, the only way I would carry while riding, would be a shoulder holder.  I sweat a LOT so thus far, I have not carried.  I have given it some consideration though.  I tend to ride very rural routes and you never know when Billy Bob and the boys may decide to antagonize you since there is nobody around.  As for getting hit, I personally don't think it is going to help you much.  If someone is on their cell phone, putting on make-up, or doing something else distracting, they can hit you. I personally believe that someone intending on hitting someone else with their car is against the odds and if they are going to on purpose, carrying won't help.


2009-08-03 6:27 PM
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Bet your last .02 that CCW permit holders would be FULLY justified in carrying while riding in certain urban areas.  On the local metro greenway trail attacks on cyclists are not rare. Last week we had another incident in which a 60+ yr old cyclist was pulled off his bike & beaten in mid-afternoon in a well-traveld area.  In one recent 5 mo period there were over 140 serious crimes at just one trail section, inc. rapes & homicides. 

That said, carrying to prevent becoming an auto "accident" statistic from aggressive driver?  Doubt it.  It would be a RARE circumstance in which a handgun could stop a 1 1/2 ton piece of rampaging steel.  Best defense- situational awareness.  Use a mirror to help keep track of what's around you and avoid erratric drivers as best you can.  Try to ride in groups- since drivers tend to be less aggressive when there are witnesses
2009-08-03 6:32 PM
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hmm carry a firearm and possibly do something stupid in the heat of the moment??? no! get a helmet mounted bike camera to wear while riding and document when something like the OP situation or other stories posted, definately! they are not heavier (and probably lighter) than a gun and you have video proof of who did it and exactly what they did. Because roads are considered public property anything you shoot on them is legally allowed as evidence (if I remember what my Sheriff friends have told me correctly) as long as it has not been tampered with. In fact I have a couple of aquantinces who have done just that and gotten people ticketed by showing the video to the police/detective assigned to their case. Just get the license plate into the frame and if possible as much of the driver as possible. In one of those cases the driver had several complaints and outstanding tickets against him already and this pushed him over the edge to jail time...so it does work, not the most aero thing in the world but better than carrying a gun...
2009-08-03 7:52 PM
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In response to my earlier post, I am not condoning carrying a pistol on a ride or not. I personally have a CCW but do not carry while riding........ How would having a gun have helped my situation last weekend?? I don't feel that it would have. My question to my friend about what legal rights we have was based more upon......If I get the guys license plate, would it even be worth calling the cops? and if so would they do anything?? As for a confrontation, I was raised old school I guess and I have no problem with two adults working out their differences....Shooting someone is obviously a different story. I have a friend who was a Cat 1 racer who did several hundred miles a week and he has some horror stories from being run off the road, to having things thrown at him, to being purposely hit and left in the ditch unconscious. At the end of the day now, he just waves...no birds....just waves....Nothing is worth dying for. Kill em with kindness, right. We do this for fun and to stay healthy, just a shame more people can't recognize that and share!
2009-08-03 7:57 PM
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Holy Crapola!!! First off, I didn't mean to accumulate near this much attention. It was more an advice question to those that do carry rather than a "should I carry" thread, so sorry for that.

Secondly, I carry everywhere that I am legally allowed to. The extreme majority of people around me during these times have no clue that I am carrying, as it should be. I even carry when I'm just hanging out with my friends. Will anything happen? Most probably not. But I don't want to be in a situation where I wish I had it.

Next, having a CCW should not, is not, and will not ever be an excuse for vigilante acts. If someone drives a bit too close, revs up at me, or even yells degrading/racial/obscene comments at me, there's not much I can do as they are no longer a threat-----that is NO EXCUSE to shoot out tires, etc. You learn this when you take the classes for CCW.

That being said, I've had a couple of crashes on my bike where I stayed clipped into my pedals during the whole ordeal. If i am struck and end up on the side of the road, however it happens, and someone pulls over, gets out of their car, and comes my way, I don't want to be stuck there with an unknown person approaching.

Sorry to stir up a hornets nest...



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2009-08-03 8:29 PM
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I threw a 44mag in my camelback before and ridden with that.  And I borrowed a friend's shoulder holster with a 454 casull one time while on a bike in the mountains.  I was just riding from one point to another to go fishing but bears have come out while fishing so I kept a large pistol on me incase it wanted my trout.  That was a little uncomfortable but it was a big and heavy revolver too.

But yes the gun debate is a hell of a hornets nest here.  I guess some people are victims waiting to happen and rather put their life into the hands of the person attacking them and hope they will just take their money and run and leave their life intact.  I'm just not one for letting someone else make that decision for me and rather have some say in it.

But those people are also the same people who think that if you crash and drop your gun it's going to go off Rambo style and fire bullets in every direction despite you'd have a better chance of getting a nuclear warhead to go off by hitting it with a tac hammer.

If you do ride then carry it on your left side if possible so it is visible.  One thing people know is that people are crazy and if they see your pistol they are less likely to see if you would happen to just whip it out and light their vehicle up despite the odds of you actually doing it are very slim.  And remember that MAD is a very powerful defense.
2009-08-03 8:34 PM
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ATLsbr - 2009-08-03 7:29 PM

If you do ride then carry it on your left side if possible so it is visible.  One thing people know is that people are crazy and if they see your pistol they are less likely to see if you would happen to just whip it out and light their vehicle up despite the odds of you actually doing it are very slim.  And remember that MAD is a very powerful defense.


That's what I was thinking -- hopefully it will deter the morons that think it's funny to scare cyclists.  I don't own a gun, but maybe I'll try it w/ a squirt gun
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