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2005-11-30 2:21 PM

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2005-11-30 2:23 PM
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bahahahaha.
2005-11-30 2:24 PM
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2005-11-30 2:24 PM
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See upside down christmas tree thread... I guess its the definition of turning christmas upside down?
2005-11-30 2:25 PM
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that makes me think of this quote I read once.

"there are two things you need to know for success in life

1. dont tell everything you know"

2005-11-30 2:26 PM
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tmwelshy - 2005-11-30 3:21 PM

so sad....



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golfinggods - 2005-11-30 11:25 AM

that makes me think of this quote I read once.

"there are two things you need to know for success in life

1. dont tell everything you know"



2. Don't let anyone know you have a nichel.

2005-11-30 2:28 PM
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What the hell is a nichel????

ChuckyFinster - 2005-11-30 2:27 PM
golfinggods - 2005-11-30 11:25 AM

that makes me think of this quote I read once.

"there are two things you need to know for success in life

1. dont tell everything you know"

2. Don't let anyone know you have a nichel.
2005-11-30 2:32 PM
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nickel?

2005-11-30 2:32 PM
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quarter?


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2005-11-30 2:35 PM
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The Atheist Christmas Challenge
Can you prove God doesn't exist?
By Jim Holt
Posted Monday, Dec. 23, 2002, at 11:13 AM ET

Illustration by Robert Neubecker
What does it mean to be an atheist in a God-fearing nation like the United States? Anywhere from 90 percent to 95 percent of Americans profess to believe in a deity. No wonder some self-avowed atheists are proud of their dissident status. A Web site of "atheist celebrities" lists, among others, Woody Allen, Richard Avedon, Marlon Brando, Jodie Foster, Jack Germond, Christopher Hitchens, Jack Nicholson, Penn and Teller, and Gore Vidal. Hitchens and Vidal have trumpeted their atheism in print; ditto for the columnist Katha Pollitt and the science writer Natalie Angier. Since these four are intellectuals, we might expect from them some powerful arguments for the nonexistence of God, arguments that would shake the faith of a reasonable believer. But a look at their public statements makes it doubtful whether they have even earned the honorific "atheist."

Katha Pollitt may have declared herself an atheist on Crossfire, but she neglected to disclose her grounds for taking this position. In fact, she says, she is not even anti-religion. She is merely "anti-clerical": She doesn't like priests and ministers. Well, neither did Voltaire, but he was not an atheist. Natalie Angier, in her "Confessions of a Lonely Atheist," complained that "nothing seems as despised, illicit and un-American as atheism." But she adduced no reasoning that might bring other Americans into her camp and hence render her less lonely. Gore Vidal has had great fun railing against the Judeo-Christian-Islamic "sky-god," in whose name all sorts of evils have been committed. Then he cites the countervailing wisdom of the deist Thomas Jefferson.

Of all the public-intellectual atheists, the most stalwart and lucid is probably Christopher Hitchens. "I'm an atheist," Hitchens said in a recent interview. "I'm not just neutral about religion, I'm hostile to it. I think it is a positively bad idea, not just a false one." Being anti-religion, however, is not intellectually equivalent to affirming the nonexistence of God. Bertrand Russell, who occupied the same ground as Hitchens, was careful to stress that he was agnostic, not atheist: "An atheist, like a Christian, holds that we can know whether or not there is a God. … The agnostic suspends judgment, saying that there are not sufficient grounds either for affirmation or denial."

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tmwelshy - 2005-11-30 3:21 PM

so sad....



May I say, there's little I would like more than to be religious. So comforting, no staring into the void, if you will. But I was not raised with religious parents. Basically, an adult not steeped in religious tradition from an early age is unlikely to be able to make him or herself believe in God as defined by the various religions. There's always something that doesn't wash. Reincarnation with the Buddhists, resurrection (sorry) with the Christians.

If I could choose to believe in a God and a particular religious doctrine and really, really believe it, I would. But I can't. Doing so would be like cheating at solitaire.
2005-11-30 2:40 PM
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And then there are those raised in households where religion was forced upon them and not allowed to explore and make their own decisions = 1. resentment 2. a yearning to explore and learn

...going to stop there....

Opus - 2005-11-30 3:36 PM May I say, there's little I would like more than to be religious. So comforting, no staring into the void, if you will. But I was not raised with religious parents. Basically, an adult not steeped in religious tradition from an early age is unlikely to be able to make him or herself believe in God as defined by the various religions. .

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Awesome, he looks to Hollywood for his answers. oooh, I wonder what Brad Pitt has to say on the subject! Why didn't he ask Mr. T?



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TriComet - 2005-11-30 3:35 PM
The agnostic suspends judgment, saying that there are not sufficient grounds either for affirmation or denial."



There is nothing an agnostic can't accomplish if he doesn't know what he believes in!
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runnergirl29 - 2005-11-30 1:26 PM

tmwelshy - 2005-11-30 3:21 PM

so sad....

So condesending.... ;(

2005-11-30 2:44 PM
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May I say, there's little I would like more than to be religious. So comforting, no staring into the void, if you will......

Try to be brave. You'll be fine.

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tmwelshy - 2005-11-30 3:41 PM
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tmwelshy - 2005-11-30 3:21 PM

so sad....

So condesending.... ;(

so honest

2005-11-30 2:47 PM
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Rob,

The reincarnation part of Buddhism is actually a holdover from Hinduism and other cultural accoutrements. Theravada Buddhism is not all about reincarnation; you don't have to believe in reincarnation to follow a Buddhist path. Buddhism is a way of perceiving life, not a way of perceiving the afterlife. Buddha did not speak of an afterlife.

Mahayana Buddhism is a mystical version of Buddhism and reincarnation is a big part of it (I don't know how, I don't study Mahayanan or Tibetan Buddhism).

Buddhism, Plain & Simple - great reference book.



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Tania - 2005-11-30 3:44 PM

May I say, there's little I would like more than to be religious. So comforting, no staring into the void, if you will......

Try to be brave. You'll be fine.



Well, if the other choice is to delude myself, it's not much of a choice.

I just finished The Corrections by Jonathan Franzen. To paraphrase one of his characters, "Being dead is not a problem, because you don't know you're dead. Now, if you were dead and knew it, that's a problem!"

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Opus - 2005-11-30 2:48 PM
Tania - 2005-11-30 3:44 PM

May I say, there's little I would like more than to be religious. So comforting, no staring into the void, if you will......

Try to be brave. You'll be fine.

Well, if the other choice is to delude myself, it's not much of a choice.....

Maybe not, but it is still an option exercised my millions on a daily basis for whatever reason, mainly having to do with the perceived judgement of others.  Or the other popular option is to SAY you believe it as loud as you can to anyone who will listen, and then contradict that with the behaviour you exhibit either in public or private.



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Just remember God still loves you.
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smokeater1833 - 2005-11-30 2:56 PM Just remember God still loves you.

Whew.  Good deal. Hey, say that one about how He believes in you even if you don't believe in Him.  I love that one.

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