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2012-10-06 9:40 PM

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Subject: Why do we even have campaign finance laws?

I'm not bagging on Obama for doing this because I suspect it's perfectly legal, but why do we even have all these campaign finance laws if they can so easily be manipulated?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/06/windfall-obama-raises-181-million-only-2-reportable



2012-10-06 10:03 PM
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I wish there were some way to make it illegal to fundraise for campaigns. 
2012-10-07 6:57 AM
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Buddy of mine in the DC office said you can't go to a single meeting without carrying a $5000 check and every conversation and every meeting mentions campaign funds. He said its amazing how much of a money race elections are these days.
2012-10-07 7:01 AM
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tuwood - 2012-10-06 10:40 PM

I'm not bagging on Obama for doing this because I suspect it's perfectly legal, but why do we even have all these campaign finance laws if they can so easily be manipulated?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/06/windfall-obama-raises-181-million-only-2-reportable

It IS perfectly legal, and the article explains that. As are SuperPAC's. Colbert has done a great job of educating an audience that otherwise might get lost in the esoteric maze of PAC's and SuperPAC's through his own show and Super PAC.

I was reading an article in Time magazine about how the Senate might end up Democratic, and which seats are at risk. One thing that stood out to me was how many contests were getting money from outside that particular state (money on both sides of the aisle). Which struck me as being very much a destructive force to the principles of democratically elected representatives. If money=speech, and speech=influence, then why should ANY money come from outside the area that is being represented by a given position? I don't get to come out to Nebraska, for example, and tell people what their best interests are; at least not with any kind of legitimacy. Why should we be allowing campaigns to be financed by outside groups?

2012-10-07 9:20 AM
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gearboy - 2012-10-07 6:01 AM
tuwood - 2012-10-06 10:40 PM

I'm not bagging on Obama for doing this because I suspect it's perfectly legal, but why do we even have all these campaign finance laws if they can so easily be manipulated?

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2012/10/06/windfall-obama-raises-181-million-only-2-reportable

It IS perfectly legal, and the article explains that. As are SuperPAC's. Colbert has done a great job of educating an audience that otherwise might get lost in the esoteric maze of PAC's and SuperPAC's through his own show and Super PAC.

I was reading an article in Time magazine about how the Senate might end up Democratic, and which seats are at risk. One thing that stood out to me was how many contests were getting money from outside that particular state (money on both sides of the aisle). Which struck me as being very much a destructive force to the principles of democratically elected representatives. If money=speech, and speech=influence, then why should ANY money come from outside the area that is being represented by a given position? I don't get to come out to Nebraska, for example, and tell people what their best interests are; at least not with any kind of legitimacy. Why should we be allowing campaigns to be financed by outside groups?

I completely agree. Legalizing pot is on the ballot here. All the money for legalizing it is coming from out of state. Oregon and California. Why? It's our state. If people is Oregon want it legalized, then do it in Oregon. Of course these are just organizations based there, but stil...

How can the (R) or (D) party throw so much money at key races? Super PACs too. It has nothing to do with that state's representation to that state and their people.

What they say is you can't stop money because money is "access to representation" which is protected under the constitution. While I do not believe in creating more government spending. I really feel that as corrupt as campaign financing has become, the only way to deal with it is use tax dollars to fund campaigns... and that is it.

The people pay taxes, the people are represented. Corporations pay taxes, they are represented.

Equal money to each party, for each position. The party can only finance that position with that money... they will have to figure out the best way to use it. They can only give a set amount to a state race.

Obviously, states can continue to do what they want, and if they do not have a problem with outside money dictating their representation then so be it. Obviously it would be great if the states would adopt similarrules... even if their are none for how it's done, just that is has to come from those in the state. That seems like a daunting thing to accomplish, but it's a start.

A third or forth or fith party can qualifiy for same money after a certain "low" threshold. They have to meet some minimum standard... but then they get to play equal with the big boys on a level playing field.

Congress can set the limits and raise them if they want... but I would venture to say that the American people would have a serious problem with a billion dollars going to each candidate for Presidential race as is the case right now.... especially since all it does is buy negative adds I have to listen to every 5 minutes.

This is probably all unconstitutional. At least the parties would say so. This is another one of those funny subjects.... for as long as I can remember, every single politician says we need finance reform.... yet not one single politician lift a finger to actually do it in a meaningfull way. The law is pointless the day it is signed because thay already know how to get around it.

2012-10-07 11:44 AM
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Subject: RE: Why do we even have campaign finance laws?
True campaign finance reform:

Disband ALL pacs and super pacs
50% off all money raised during a campaign must be paid towards the National Debt if the office is housed in DC (Federal Level). This would be the Presidency, Senate, and House of Representatives. If at state level then paid into the State Debt/Coffers.
Failure to abide by this law will cause forfeiture of office, forfeiture of ever holding a public office again, and forfeiture of all future benefits from that office.
Easily enforced by the campaign finance worksheet/end of year paperwork.

This would apply to ALL candidates of ALL parties at ALL levels.

Just a thought.

Jonathan


2012-10-07 3:24 PM
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Why don't we form a PAC. 
2012-10-07 5:02 PM
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It would never get used because we can never agree on anything.

Except maybe to make more cyclist/runner-friendly laws.
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