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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Walmart had announced they will not sell guns or ammo to anyone under 21. I hope they don't sell guns or ammo to Muslims either! I mean, they are more likely to kill people than Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists. If it's ok to discriminate based on age then why not religion? Maybe not sell to woman either since most woman don't know how to handle a gun. This was TIC but only partly. I have always thought it was wrong to deny an 18 yo the right to buy a beer. At 18 he can join the military and go off to war and die for his country but he is not 'responsible' enough to buy a beer? If he commits a crime he will be tried as an adult in a court of law. If he commits a serious crime he can be sentenced to life in prison or sentenced to death. But he can't buy a beer. He can enter a contract, buy a house, take out a loan, buy a car and he can vote in our elections. But he can't buy a beer. He can get married, father a child or two but he still cannot buy a beer. He can go in any casino in Vegas and gamble till he is broke but while the casino is taking his money, he cannot buy a beer. I believe this is age discrimination but the only reason these state laws are allowed to stand it because no one has filed a lawsuit to challenge them. And no one likely ever will. No lawyer wants to be known as the guy who allowed 18 yo kids the right to drink alcohol. When I was 18 and off at college we'd occasional go to my family's camp on Bayou Louis and go hunting. I can't image having to have Dad buy my ammunition for my guns because WallyWorld would not sell me ammo! Right now the country is a little off it's nut.... |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Rogillio Walmart had announced they will not sell guns or ammo to anyone under 21. I hope they don't sell guns or ammo to Muslims either! I mean, they are more likely to kill people than Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists. If it's ok to discriminate based on age then why not religion? Maybe not sell to woman either since most woman don't know how to handle a gun. This was TIC but only partly. I have always thought it was wrong to deny an 18 yo the right to buy a beer. At 18 he can join the military and go off to war and die for his country but he is not 'responsible' enough to buy a beer? If he commits a crime he will be tried as an adult in a court of law. If he commits a serious crime he can be sentenced to life in prison or sentenced to death. But he can't buy a beer. He can enter a contract, buy a house, take out a loan, buy a car and he can vote in our elections. But he can't buy a beer. He can get married, father a child or two but he still cannot buy a beer. He can go in any casino in Vegas and gamble till he is broke but while the casino is taking his money, he cannot buy a beer. I believe this is age discrimination but the only reason these state laws are allowed to stand it because no one has filed a lawsuit to challenge them. And no one likely ever will. No lawyer wants to be known as the guy who allowed 18 yo kids the right to drink alcohol. When I was 18 and off at college we'd occasional go to my family's camp on Bayou Louis and go hunting. I can't image having to have Dad buy my ammunition for my guns because WallyWorld would not sell me ammo! Right now the country is a little off it's nut.... When I was in high school the drinking age was 18, this meant that by the end of the school year nearly the entire senior class could buy alcohol and those that could not had several friends that could. I also graduated in 1977 which meant that the cars we could afford to buy (7-10 years old) were from the golden age of the american muscle car. Put fast cars and available alcohol together and 8 kids from my senior class (size ~ 250 students) died or were seriously injured in car crashes. They raised the drinking limit to 21 a few years later and, unsurprisingly, the death rate plummeted. Look, at 18 years old most lack a level of maturity that gives them license to make mistakes, that is what that age is all about. Alcohol just magnifies it and usually not in good ways. Our society will grapple with if this is the correct age to purchase firearms. I would argue that this does not restrict them from using a firearm, just the purchasing. Wait until you are 21 and perhaps can apply a more mature thinking pattern before purchasing a weapon. Maybe the question should not be if 18 is old enough to buy beer or a rifle, but is 18 old enough to join the military? |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Oys, no doubt at all it saved lives. Had the made the age 22 it would have saved even more lives.....or maybe 32? Hail, lets just ban alcohol altogether! Wait....we tried that. Point is, when does a person get equal rights as an American citizen? And why is it ok for states to discriminate based on age. Suppose Florida republicans decided that based on voter demographics it behooved the GOP to raise the voting age to 25? Because they 'lack a level of maturity' to make good decisions (IOW, they got democrat). LOL I am not really for lowering the drinking age, I'm just making a case for the sake of debate. Whenever American surrender their rights for the sake of security and safety it just erodes the liberty this country was founded on. BTW, I oppose seat belt laws too. I always were a seat belt but do not believe it is the government's job to force your to protect yourself. Same with helmet laws. I always were a helmet when on a motorcycle or a bicycle (but not my 4 wheelers) but it should not be big brother making these decisions! Heck, the next thing you know the gubment will be mandating that you buy health insurance or be forced to pay a fine (tax) if you don't!? ;-) |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Rogillio I hope they don't sell guns or ammo to Muslims either! I mean, they are more likely to kill people than Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists. Seriously? You think most gun deaths in the United States are caused by Muslims? Any stats on that? I'm gonna say crazy white dude shootings and black gang related shootings are far more likely than Muslim shootings in the US. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Stacers Originally posted by Rogillio I hope they don't sell guns or ammo to Muslims either! I mean, they are more likely to kill people than Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists. Seriously? You think most gun deaths in the United States are caused by Muslims? Any stats on that? I'm gonna say crazy white dude shootings and black gang related shootings are far more likely than Muslim shootings in the US. Maybe he had too much coffee coursing through his system when he wrote that. ![]() Raising the age is a corporate decision. A feel good decision, but at least they're trying to do something. We complain about corporate responsibility all the time; Walmart usually gets bad marks in that category. I can support their decision to run their company as they deem fit. After one of the previous shootings, Academy stopped online gun shopping and I believe ( I could be wrong, relying on memory here) gun sales altogether. That corporate decision was reversed pretty quickly though when bottom line started to suffer. Could this have stopped Cruz? Actually it might have. Everyone and I mean everyone, appears to have known this guy was nuts. He might have had some ammo, but if he couldn't procure his own, do you think his foster parents would have gotten him more once he ran out of ammo at the range? I don't think so, accounts indicate they tried to get his guns taken from him. Unfortunately this idea will be harder to enforce and take even longer to be effective than banning guns would. Most shooters I know buy in bulk for each caliber they shoot. It's going to take everyone raising the age, not just walmart to be a deterrent. They have to take reloading supplies into consideration too. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Stacers Originally posted by Rogillio I hope they don't sell guns or ammo to Muslims either! I mean, they are more likely to kill people than Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists. Seriously? You think most gun deaths[ in the United States are caused by Muslims? Any stats on that? I'm gonna say crazy white dude shootings and black gang related shootings are far more likely than Muslim shootings in the US. I did not say gun deaths. I said they kill more people. Add up 9/11, Boston Marathon, Orlando disco, Ft Hood shooting, Little Rock recruiting office, NYC subway attacks, Chattanooga shooting, Ohio State attacks, Lower Manhattan, San Bernardino attack....These attacks alone killed or injured 9,377 Americans. Given that Muslims make up 1% of US....."the math is left as an exercise for the reader"*. Use to hate seeing that in my college textbooks! |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by mdg2003 Originally posted by Stacers Originally posted by Rogillio I hope they don't sell guns or ammo to Muslims either! I mean, they are more likely to kill people than Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists. Seriously? You think most gun deaths in the United States are caused by Muslims? Any stats on that? I'm gonna say crazy white dude shootings and black gang related shootings are far more likely than Muslim shootings in the US. Maybe he had too much coffee coursing through his system when he wrote that. ![]() Raising the age is a corporate decision. A feel good decision, but at least they're trying to do something. We complain about corporate responsibility all the time; Walmart usually gets bad marks in that category. I can support their decision to run their company as they deem fit. After one of the previous shootings, Academy stopped online gun shopping and I believe ( I could be wrong, relying on memory here) gun sales altogether. That corporate decision was reversed pretty quickly though when bottom line started to suffer. Could this have stopped Cruz? Actually it might have. Everyone and I mean everyone, appears to have known this guy was nuts. He might have had some ammo, but if he couldn't procure his own, do you think his foster parents would have gotten him more once he ran out of ammo at the range? I don't think so, accounts indicate they tried to get his guns taken from him. Unfortunately this idea will be harder to enforce and take even longer to be effective than banning guns would. Most shooters I know buy in bulk for each caliber they shoot. It's going to take everyone raising the age, not just walmart to be a deterrent. They have to take reloading supplies into consideration too. Agree. Almost everything I've seen except arming faculty is a 'feel good'. If someone is intent on killing people they will find a way to do. If they can't buy what they need they will steal what they need. Someone willing to commit murder....multiple murders is not going to have an issue with robbery. Chances are good the next killer already has his gun(s) and ammo....or he knows how/where to get them. The sad thing is, things that were supposed to stop this from happening failed! So what does that mean? Make new laws! SMH |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Stacers I did not say gun deaths. I said they kill more people. Add up 9/11, Boston Marathon, Orlando disco, Ft Hood shooting, Little Rock recruiting office, NYC subway attacks, Chattanooga shooting, Ohio State attacks, Lower Manhattan, San Bernardino attack....These attacks alone killed or injured 9,377 Americans. Given that Muslims make up 1% of US....."the math is left as an exercise for the reader"*. Use to hate seeing that in my college textbooks! Originally posted by Rogillio I hope they don't sell guns or ammo to Muslims either! I mean, they are more likely to kill people than Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists. Seriously? You think most gun deaths[ in the United States are caused by Muslims? Any stats on that? I'm gonna say crazy white dude shootings and black gang related shootings are far more likely than Muslim shootings in the US. Ok, so we're going back to 2001 here, which means those 9,377 deaths average 552 a year. Meanwhile, 15,549 non-suicide gun deaths in 2017 alone in the US. You're comparing apples to oranges by comparing terrorist attacks to gun deaths and I know you know that. The idea is to sell less guns to the people who are shooting other people. So increasing a age limit doesn't seem super excessive to me. Ceasing to sell guns to ALL Muslims would be excessive, considering that most gun deaths in the US are not caused by Muslims. I like how you think though - maybe we should just stop selling guns to MEN, since they're the ones doing most of this... |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() We had a 17 year old kid south of here yesterday get nailed for threatening to bring his AK47 to school and kill people the next day. They went to his house got him and the gun. He's being charged as an adult and is still in jail. looks like they plan to make an example of him. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Stacers Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Stacers I like how you think though - maybe we should just stop selling guns to MEN, since they're the ones doing most of this... Originally posted by Rogillio I hope they don't sell guns or ammo to Muslims either! I mean, they are more likely to kill people than Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists. Seriously? You think most gun deaths[ in the United States are caused by Muslims? Any stats on that? I'm gonna say crazy white dude shootings and black gang related shootings are far more likely than Muslim shootings in the US. Ahh, the double edged sword that is logic. ![]() |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Stacers Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Stacers I did not say gun deaths. I said they kill more people. Add up 9/11, Boston Marathon, Orlando disco, Ft Hood shooting, Little Rock recruiting office, NYC subway attacks, Chattanooga shooting, Ohio State attacks, Lower Manhattan, San Bernardino attack....These attacks alone killed or injured 9,377 Americans. Given that Muslims make up 1% of US....."the math is left as an exercise for the reader"*. Use to hate seeing that in my college textbooks! Originally posted by Rogillio I hope they don't sell guns or ammo to Muslims either! I mean, they are more likely to kill people than Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists. Seriously? You think most gun deaths[ in the United States are caused by Muslims? Any stats on that? I'm gonna say crazy white dude shootings and black gang related shootings are far more likely than Muslim shootings in the US. Ok, so we're going back to 2001 here, which means those 9,377 deaths average 552 a year. Meanwhile, 15,549 non-suicide gun deaths in 2017 alone in the US. You're comparing apples to oranges by comparing terrorist attacks to gun deaths and I know you know that. The idea is to sell less guns to the people who are shooting other people. So increasing a age limit doesn't seem super excessive to me. Ceasing to sell guns to ALL Muslims would be excessive, considering that most gun deaths in the US are not caused by Muslims. I like how you think though - maybe we should just stop selling guns to MEN, since they're the ones doing most of this... Actually your first post is rabbit trail. The issue I was trying to discuss is the legality of age discrimination. I could have just as easily said what if Walmart refused to sell alcohol to American Indians do to their genetic predisposition to alcoholism. Denying someone their constitutional rights base on religion, ethnicity, national origin, race, color, sex, sexual orientation or age is probably not constitutional. I may be wrong.....and usually am. Edited by Rogillio 2018-03-01 12:02 PM |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Stacers I did not say gun deaths. I said they kill more people. Add up 9/11, Boston Marathon, Orlando disco, Ft Hood shooting, Little Rock recruiting office, NYC subway attacks, Chattanooga shooting, Ohio State attacks, Lower Manhattan, San Bernardino attack....These attacks alone killed or injured 9,377 Americans. Given that Muslims make up 1% of US....."the math is left as an exercise for the reader"*. Use to hate seeing that in my college textbooks! Originally posted by Rogillio I hope they don't sell guns or ammo to Muslims either! I mean, they are more likely to kill people than Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists. Seriously? You think most gun deaths[ in the United States are caused by Muslims? Any stats on that? I'm gonna say crazy white dude shootings and black gang related shootings are far more likely than Muslim shootings in the US. You went from Muslims are more likely to kill people than all the other major religions, to giving a number that reflects deaths and injuries. And you had to go back 17 years to capture a single event that accounted for 97% of those murders and 99% of those casualties. 2,966 people died on 9/11. All the other attacks you mentioned total 95 deaths. So since our country averages more or less about 15,000 murders a year, we've had about a quarter million murders from 2002-2017. Those 95 kills works out to around 0.04%. Or another way to look at it, for the past 16 years it averages out to 6 murders/year. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Rog - whatever Bob says is suspect. He is from St. Louis and those people kill more people per capita than everybody else. I think he's a plant in this discussion (probably paid by the Russians)......just warning you. He's prolly worse than those Muslim types. Edited by Left Brain 2018-03-01 12:36 PM |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Bob Loblaw Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Stacers I did not say gun deaths. I said they kill more people. Add up 9/11, Boston Marathon, Orlando disco, Ft Hood shooting, Little Rock recruiting office, NYC subway attacks, Chattanooga shooting, Ohio State attacks, Lower Manhattan, San Bernardino attack....These attacks alone killed or injured 9,377 Americans. Given that Muslims make up 1% of US....."the math is left as an exercise for the reader"*. Use to hate seeing that in my college textbooks! Originally posted by Rogillio I hope they don't sell guns or ammo to Muslims either! I mean, they are more likely to kill people than Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists. Seriously? You think most gun deaths[ in the United States are caused by Muslims? Any stats on that? I'm gonna say crazy white dude shootings and black gang related shootings are far more likely than Muslim shootings in the US. You went from Muslims are more likely to kill people than all the other major religions, to giving a number that reflects deaths and injuries. And you had to go back 17 years to capture a single event that accounted for 97% of those murders and 99% of those casualties. 2,966 people died on 9/11. All the other attacks you mentioned total 95 deaths. So since our country averages more or less about 15,000 murders a year, we've had about a quarter million murders from 2002-2017. Those 95 kills works out to around 0.04%. Or another way to look at it, for the past 16 years it averages out to 6 murders/year. Yeah, I never should have gone down that rabbit home it was not germane to the discussion. "The GD Germans got nothin' to do with this!" (bonus point if you, or anyone, can name the movie) |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Jeez, I don't see it as age discrimination, I see it as society telling young people that they have to obtain a certain age (as a metric for maturity) before they can exercise certain privileges in our society. As for gun purchases, the Constitution says nothing about age so it is up to our society to determine an appropriate age. Pretty simple actually. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Left Brain Rog - whatever Bob says is suspect. He is from St. Louis and those people kill more people per capita than everybody else. I think he's a plant in this discussion (probably paid by the Russians)......just warning you. He's prolly worse than those Muslim types. 250 years without a single Muslim terror attack. We must be doing something right, eh comrade? I mean buddy! |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I remember being a teenager being bussed in from out of town to the local high school. Some students would buy their ammunition for hunting season at lunch, keep it in their locker for the afternoon and bring it home on the bus that day.... this was the late 90's. I can only imagine what would happen if someone did that today.... As for the question on religious affiliation and intentional death...I wouldn't know where to get the statistical information on that? Who would keep that information and publish it? Maybe the FBI's Uniform Crime Reports? I dunno..seems like a lot of work to find that out. The CDC has nothing on religious affiliation..most likely because its not a CDC issue. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I did UCR reports for 12 years......it does track hate crimes, and it breaks those crimes down even further by which religion the bias was toward. As far as retrieving the information on a National level, I don't know.....never did it. On another note.....as you know, any stat you are looking for will only be as good as the people entering the information. I can't say how many times a "hate crime" is entered, but it's an optional field for many agencies, so there's that. |
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Veteran ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Left Brain I did UCR reports for 12 years......it does track hate crimes, and it breaks those crimes down even further by which religion the bias was toward. As far as retrieving the information on a National level, I don't know.....never did it. On another note.....as you know, any stat you are looking for will only be as good as the people entering the information. I can't say how many times a "hate crime" is entered, but it's an optional field for many agencies, so there's that. Fair enough. Good to know that. I took a quick look at the FBI's website and got into the UCR's....I don't have an hour to dig through all that... To busy posting mundane comments on BT. ![]() |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Left Brain I did UCR reports for 12 years......it does track hate crimes, and it breaks those crimes down even further by which religion the bias was toward. As far as retrieving the information on a National level, I don't know.....never did it. On another note.....as you know, any stat you are looking for will only be as good as the people entering the information. I can't say how many times a "hate crime" is entered, but it's an optional field for many agencies, so there's that. And the corollary...any stat will only be as good as it's applicability to your situation. As has already been discussed in this thread, the statistics about violence perpetrated by muslims can be sliced and diced and specified in either a favorable or unfavorable direction. |
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Pro ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by McFuzz Sure....and additionally....I never saw anything that would track religious information of suspects. Originally posted by Left Brain I did UCR reports for 12 years......it does track hate crimes, and it breaks those crimes down even further by which religion the bias was toward. As far as retrieving the information on a National level, I don't know.....never did it. On another note.....as you know, any stat you are looking for will only be as good as the people entering the information. I can't say how many times a "hate crime" is entered, but it's an optional field for many agencies, so there's that. And the corollary...any stat will only be as good as it's applicability to your situation. As has already been discussed in this thread, the statistics about violence perpetrated by muslims can be sliced and diced and specified in either a favorable or unfavorable direction. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Oysterboy Originally posted by Rogillio Walmart had announced they will not sell guns or ammo to anyone under 21. I hope they don't sell guns or ammo to Muslims either! I mean, they are more likely to kill people than Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists. If it's ok to discriminate based on age then why not religion? Maybe not sell to woman either since most woman don't know how to handle a gun. This was TIC but only partly. I have always thought it was wrong to deny an 18 yo the right to buy a beer. At 18 he can join the military and go off to war and die for his country but he is not 'responsible' enough to buy a beer? If he commits a crime he will be tried as an adult in a court of law. If he commits a serious crime he can be sentenced to life in prison or sentenced to death. But he can't buy a beer. He can enter a contract, buy a house, take out a loan, buy a car and he can vote in our elections. But he can't buy a beer. He can get married, father a child or two but he still cannot buy a beer. He can go in any casino in Vegas and gamble till he is broke but while the casino is taking his money, he cannot buy a beer. I believe this is age discrimination but the only reason these state laws are allowed to stand it because no one has filed a lawsuit to challenge them. And no one likely ever will. No lawyer wants to be known as the guy who allowed 18 yo kids the right to drink alcohol. When I was 18 and off at college we'd occasional go to my family's camp on Bayou Louis and go hunting. I can't image having to have Dad buy my ammunition for my guns because WallyWorld would not sell me ammo! Right now the country is a little off it's nut.... When I was in high school the drinking age was 18, this meant that by the end of the school year nearly the entire senior class could buy alcohol and those that could not had several friends that could. I also graduated in 1977 which meant that the cars we could afford to buy (7-10 years old) were from the golden age of the american muscle car. Put fast cars and available alcohol together and 8 kids from my senior class (size ~ 250 students) died or were seriously injured in car crashes. They raised the drinking limit to 21 a few years later and, unsurprisingly, the death rate plummeted. Look, at 18 years old most lack a level of maturity that gives them license to make mistakes, that is what that age is all about. Alcohol just magnifies it and usually not in good ways. Our society will grapple with if this is the correct age to purchase firearms. I would argue that this does not restrict them from using a firearm, just the purchasing. Wait until you are 21 and perhaps can apply a more mature thinking pattern before purchasing a weapon. Maybe the question should not be if 18 is old enough to buy beer or a rifle, but is 18 old enough to join the military? Along these line, why not raise the voting age to 21? http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/27/time-raise-voting-age-back-21/ |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Originally posted by Rogillio Originally posted by Oysterboy Originally posted by Rogillio Walmart had announced they will not sell guns or ammo to anyone under 21. I hope they don't sell guns or ammo to Muslims either! I mean, they are more likely to kill people than Christians or Jews or Hindus or Buddhists. If it's ok to discriminate based on age then why not religion? Maybe not sell to woman either since most woman don't know how to handle a gun. This was TIC but only partly. I have always thought it was wrong to deny an 18 yo the right to buy a beer. At 18 he can join the military and go off to war and die for his country but he is not 'responsible' enough to buy a beer? If he commits a crime he will be tried as an adult in a court of law. If he commits a serious crime he can be sentenced to life in prison or sentenced to death. But he can't buy a beer. He can enter a contract, buy a house, take out a loan, buy a car and he can vote in our elections. But he can't buy a beer. He can get married, father a child or two but he still cannot buy a beer. He can go in any casino in Vegas and gamble till he is broke but while the casino is taking his money, he cannot buy a beer. I believe this is age discrimination but the only reason these state laws are allowed to stand it because no one has filed a lawsuit to challenge them. And no one likely ever will. No lawyer wants to be known as the guy who allowed 18 yo kids the right to drink alcohol. When I was 18 and off at college we'd occasional go to my family's camp on Bayou Louis and go hunting. I can't image having to have Dad buy my ammunition for my guns because WallyWorld would not sell me ammo! Right now the country is a little off it's nut.... When I was in high school the drinking age was 18, this meant that by the end of the school year nearly the entire senior class could buy alcohol and those that could not had several friends that could. I also graduated in 1977 which meant that the cars we could afford to buy (7-10 years old) were from the golden age of the american muscle car. Put fast cars and available alcohol together and 8 kids from my senior class (size ~ 250 students) died or were seriously injured in car crashes. They raised the drinking limit to 21 a few years later and, unsurprisingly, the death rate plummeted. Look, at 18 years old most lack a level of maturity that gives them license to make mistakes, that is what that age is all about. Alcohol just magnifies it and usually not in good ways. Our society will grapple with if this is the correct age to purchase firearms. I would argue that this does not restrict them from using a firearm, just the purchasing. Wait until you are 21 and perhaps can apply a more mature thinking pattern before purchasing a weapon. Maybe the question should not be if 18 is old enough to buy beer or a rifle, but is 18 old enough to join the military? Along these line, why not raise the voting age to 21? http://thefederalist.com/2018/02/27/time-raise-voting-age-back-21/ Now there's a way to shave a few percentages off the Dems vote totals... If we do that then we should definitely raise the age for military service as well. |
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Champion ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() http://www.breitbart.com/big-government/2018/03/05/oregon-20-year-o... 20 yo sues Dick’s for age discrimination. I think he has a case. I said the same thing about the drinking age. Sooner or later someone will sue for age discrimination. Imagine if the gubment decided that anyone over 70 could not buy alcohol because it is not good for their health. |