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2006-10-23 10:53 AM

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Subject: Training plan longer than 20 weeks?
Don't know if this is the right place to ask, but I am looking for a trianing plan that lasts longer than 20 weeks...

I'm thinking about conquering an Olympic Distance next summer but want to start training now. Any suggestions? In the past, a structured plan works best for me. I've used a Sprint plan from this site and loved it. I guess I'm too lazy to make up my own!

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2006-10-23 10:55 AM
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Give me the date of your Oly and I can give you some options of stringing some plans together.

Do you remember which sprint plan you used?

2006-10-23 11:00 AM
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OH. Now I have to commit to a date! I'm looking at June 16, 2007.

I used a run-focused 16-week plan last time. But I'd like to do a balanced one this time. My strength is swimming and I found out I completely suck at the bike. So I'm thinking a balanced one would be good for me.

You are lightning fast! THANK YOU!!
2006-10-24 9:20 AM
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I don't know if it's snowy or cold in 'doo-dah'  this winter, but would you want to put some emphasis on the bike?
2006-10-24 10:59 AM
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Yes it's both snowy and cold here in Kansas (doo dah). I am planning on getting an indoor trainer though. At the very least, my gym has some of them in their spinning classroom I can use.

Yeah my biking skills are the worst - perhaps I should focus on that (she says reluctantly)...
2006-10-25 7:19 PM
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Subject: RE: Training plan longer than 20 weeks?

I'm thinking the best approach would be starting with a sprint plan now since it's been awhile since you have been doing any trisports - you have been doing a little running the last two months correct?

Then we would either repeat the last few months of the sprint plan to transition right into your final oly plan for your first oly race...or maybe a few other options.  That's what I'm leaning towards.

Question, when you say 'balance' do you mean do each sport 2 OR 3 times/week?

Also, when is your optimal days to run, bike, swim and off days?

With those answers I will see if I can come up with a good plan for the off season leading to your oly race using a blend of the existing minutes plans.



2006-10-26 9:34 AM
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Subject: RE: Training plan longer than 20 weeks?
Yes I've only been running a small amount - trying to keep cardio up with aerobics and eliptical otherwise.

By balanced I meant equal time/days between the 3 sports... but now I'm thinking I may want to focus on the bike since it's my worst.

The only request schedule-wise is that I need Tuesday's off. Other than that I can do anything on any other days of the week.

Thanks again.
2006-10-26 1:21 PM
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One more thing, I'm using this new custom plan creator I'm beta testing.

Do you have your current swim pace in minutes per 100meters?  And also your run and bike pace...if not I can guess.

2006-10-26 1:48 PM
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Subject: RE: Training plan longer than 20 weeks?
Averages from the two races I did - they seem to be pretty much in line:

Swim: 2:15/100
Bike: 13 MPH
Run: 11 min/mile
2006-10-26 5:49 PM
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Try this.  It's based on YOUR current pace and assumes it will not change...but I'm sure it will improve as you progress.  This is very similar to the other 'minutes-only' plan as far as short, medium and long workouts plus rest weeks.  For your Olympic race, and with your current pace your max volumes are based on some 'overdistance' training too...more so for confidence though.

I try to have the 'short' workouts as recovery workouts after the bike and run 'long' workouts.  This is a 3x per sport per week balanced plan.  If you want/need to drop a workout, drop the short workouts.  I would say you need a 'minimum' of 2 swim, 2 run and 2 bikes per week to at least have a decent performance-don't expect to shatter any records though.  Those 3rd workouts will really help a lot. (I've even done an Oly on only one bike per week - it will get you by...slowly though..I wouldn't recommend that for the swim or run though)

OF course since you're still building volume, all workouts should be done easy-breezy.  You can start to work on speed-stuff after your oly is done and you are doing the oly volume consistently.

*For weeks 1&2, since you only have been running here-and-there, I would axe the 'short' workouts so you don't startup doing too much.  When you are comfortable, add a 3rd workout in week 3 for a sport, then add another one in week 4, then by week 5, you can do all 3 workouts per sport.

I'm sure you know that I'm not a coach, but this plan is simple and conservative enough so that you should have no problems.    Restrictions and Terms of Use

  Mon TuesWed ThurFri SatSunTotal
  SwimBikeRunSwimBikeOffRunSwimBikeRunVolume
Week #TypeLongMedLongShortShortOffMedMedLongShort(hours)
Race 32Taper05101837 22240162.8
31Taper3874532353 3731105277.3
31Peak54105763375 53441502710.3
29Base4995682968 4839135279.3
28Rest2957411841 292481205.6
27Base4994682967 4739134349.3
26Base4784612860 4337120308.5
25Base4476552754 3835108277.8
24Rest2745331632 232165164.7
23Base4475542654 3835107277.7
22Base4268492548 343396247.0
21Base4061442443 313287226.4
20Rest2436261426 181952133.8
19Base4060432443 303286226.3
18Base3854392339 273077205.8
17Base3649352135 252970185.3
16Rest2129211321 151742113.2
15Base3648352234 242969175.3
14Base3443312131 222762164.8
13Base3339282028 202656144.4
12Rest152816921 131235102.6
11Base2446271535 211958164.3
10Base2342241431 191852144.0
9Base2238211328 171847133.6
8Rest132313817 10112882.2
7Base2237211328 171846133.6
6Base2133191325 151742113.3
5Base2030171223 141638103.0
4Rest121810714 8102361.8
3Base2030171222 141637103.0
2Base1927151120 12153392.7
1Base1824141118 11143082.5

2006-10-27 9:08 AM
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Subject: RE: Training plan longer than 20 weeks?
THANK YOU! Sweet. This is awseome.


2006-11-13 10:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Training plan longer than 20 weeks?
Ron - 2006-10-26 1:21 PM

One more thing, I'm using this new custom plan creator I'm beta testing.

Ron, would this be available to regular users of BT or is it already?

 

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2006-11-14 9:04 AM
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If you keep it on the down-low, I'll do one up for you too - for the sake of testing as it's not programmed for BT yet.  Just list me:

  1. the race dates and priority and also distance. 
  2. Give me your current avg pace for s, b and r. 
  3. Also give me your preferred days to train the SBR sports
  4. ...and if you have preferred days off or days for 'long rides and runs.'
2006-11-15 7:36 PM
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Subject: RE: Training plan longer than 20 weeks?
Ron - 2006-11-14 10:04 AM

If you keep it on the down-low, I'll do one up for you too - for the sake of testing as it's not programmed for BT yet.  Just list me:

  1. the race dates and priority and also distance. 
  2. Give me your current avg pace for s, b and r. 
  3. Also give me your preferred days to train the SBR sports
  4. ...and if you have preferred days off or days for 'long rides and runs.'

This will be so cool! 

If you still need to iron some things out, could you please see what the following would output for at least up to the April 15th event:

  • two 10k races, Feb 10th & Mar 3rd
  • April 15, 2007, Tri-America Long Course 2k-60k-15k - A-race
  • June 3rd Sprint
  • July 15th Sprint
  • Oct 7th Oly - B-race
  • Nov 11th 70.3 - A-race
  • Per HIM on 11/12/06: Wetsuit Swim 2:00/100yd, Bike 18.1 mph, Run 9:46 
  • Any day is available
  • Long runs weekday mid week or Sat, Long rides on weekday or Sat, Swim weekdays, Day off on weekday, Sunday easy day.
  • Lifting weights 1-3 times per week

Thanks much Ron,

Don

 

2006-11-15 9:16 PM
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Great, working on sranney's and will check out yours soon...will let you know if any questions.
2006-11-18 9:26 PM
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Ok sranney,

First, here is the info you gave me:

1. April 28 - "B" race - 500yd/12.5/3.1
July 14 - "B" race - 1.5k/40k/10k
July 29 - "A" race - 1.2mile/56mile/13.1 (my first half Iron-distance)

2. Avg pace - s = 2:05min/100yd
b = ~15mph for z2
r = 10:00min/mile

3. Preferred days to train SBR
S - M, Th
B - M, Tu, Sun
R - Tu, W, Th, Sat
*NOTE: I've been running 4 days/week since last fall when I started training for a marathon last February; only recently got back on the bike; haven't been in the pool for a bit, but the pace for min/100yds is consistent.

4. Long days - Normally do long runs on Saturday and would probably like to do long bikes on Sunday.

Here is the plan following exactly what days you wanted to train.  For the '4rth' day of running, I added and extra 'short' run.  With two days of swimming on Monday, Thursday....I hope it's not a problem for the 1/2IM volume.  You may want to do that 3x as you get into the plan.  ALSO, those back-to-back long ride and runs for Sat and Sun, if you start feeling tired or un-recovered for Sunday, you may have to split them up more.

For Week 8, your sprint race, I didn't modify it but you will want to eliminate your long Saturday Ride/Sunday Run as you will be racing on Saturday.  YOU MAY have to 'rest' on week nine depending on how you feel after the race as Week 8 would have been your 'default' rest week.

*AND, in my unprofessional opinion, don't do the Oly - that could interfere with the 'peak' week of your 1/IM...I would like to see an Oly at least 6 weeks before a 1/2 - especially if it's your first.

And since you did do a Marathon and are at the 2hour+ volume, that run part of the plan could be changed to keep your current volumes - not sure what the goal is for that...

Remember, I am not a coach, these plans are following in the spirit of the 'minutes-only' plans and have not been tested past the Oly length.  Restrictions and Terms of Use

      Swim  Bike  Run  
  HIM: Race Day Expected Time:  42min 204min 131min 
               
    Mon Tues WedThursFriSatSun 
    SwimBikeBikeRunRunRunSwimOffRunBikeTotal
RACES: Week #MedShortMedShortMedShortLong LongLongVolume
2007Week of: SwimBikeBikeRunRun RunSwim RunBike(hours)
29-Jul23-Jul20Taper3050302602620 003
1/2 IM16-Jul19Taper437210837553754 9218011
14-Jul9-Jul18Peak6210315537793777 13125816
Oly2-Jul17Base559313937713769 11823214
 25-Jun16Rest33568342424242 571399
 18-Jun15Base5613813847704769 11718414
 11-Jun14Base538312463636366 8420713
 4-Jun13Base5011211238573863 9514912
 28-May12Rest30456734343438 451127
 14-May11Base5011011037563762 9414712
 7-May10Base47669951515159 6716611
 30-Apr9Base45898930453056 7611910
28-Apr23-Apr8Rest27365427272734 36896
Sprint16-Apr7Base45898930453056 7511810
 9-Apr6Base43538041414153 541339
 2-Apr5Base41727224362451 61968
 26-Mar4Rest24294322222230 29725
 19-Mar3Base41717124362451 60958
 12-Mar2Base39436433333349 431077
 5-Mar1Base37585820292046 49777

 



2006-11-18 9:54 PM
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I'm modifying this...I see a few areas that I goofed...

 

2006-11-18 10:04 PM
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Ok...it looks good now...I just had your swim days messed up.
2006-11-18 10:49 PM
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Subject: RE: Training plan longer than 20 weeks?

Dig it!  Thanks Ron.  I appreciate your hard work on this and the whole site!

 

I had considered knocking off the oly two weeks before hand and trying to find one earlier, and other folks had told me the same thing. 

    

2006-11-22 1:47 PM
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DRM, will get to your plan this weekend.  You have a lot of races so this will be a good exercise.
2006-11-24 4:40 PM
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DRM, here it is per your specs above:

Some notes: 

*Unlike the other 'minutes' only plans that build to new volume for a 'first' race, this plan is based off of a 'maintenance' algorithm since you have JUST come off of a HIM and I'm sure, you want to keep the volume.

**'Total Volume' weekly hours do not account for you races.  I DID manually go in and tweak your race-week numbers.

You MAY want to give yourself another week or two of relaxing before hitting the plan since you are coming off of the HIM...not sure how you are feeling.  You did mention in your logs some lingering soreness and some back issues.  Regardless, you can probably jump into the plan anytime in December, but make sure you have rested enough...you want to be chomping-at-the-bit, FULLY rested and ready to go from a decrease in training.

This is a 3x per sport per week plan.  Remember, I am not a coach, these plans are following in the spirit of the 'minutes-only' plans and have not been tested past the Oly length.  Restrictions and Terms of Use

  Week #Period:Mon TuesWed Thur FriSatSunTotal
    SwimBikeRunSwimBikeRunSwimOFF!BikeRunVolume
RACES:2007  LongMedLongShortShortMedMed LongShort(Hours)
HIM5-Nov20Taper2045302230020 002.79
A Race29-Oct19Taper539710832656543 1624311.14
 22-Oct18Peak7613915446939261 2324315.60
 15-Oct17Base6912513841848355 2094314.11
 8-Oct16Rest41756625505033 125508.59
Oly1-Oct15Base6912413741124820 009.62
B Race24-Sep14Base6712210740818154 2038113.93
 17-Sep13Base66119132401197953 1595313.65
 10-Sep12Rest40716324484732 119478.19
 3-Sep11Base65118130391187852 1575213.51
 27-Aug10Base6411610238777751 1937713.24
 20-Aug9Base63113125381137550 1515012.98
 13-Aug8Rest38686023454530 113457.79
 6-Aug7Base63112124381127450 1505012.88
 30-Jul6Base621109737737349 1837312.62
 23-Jul5Base60144119481087148 1444813.17
 16-Jul4Rest36655722434329 108437.42
Sprint9-Jul3Base6110714249107710 008.93
C Race2-Jul2Base601049236706948 1746912.04
 25-Jun1Base59102113351026847 1374511.80
 18-Jun16Rest41484625323433 81346.25
 11-Jun15Base69809541805755 1063810.34
 4-Jun14Base67787440525654 1305610.13
Sprint28-May13Base6610291437755  007.22
C Race14-May12Rest40464424313332 77335.96
 7-May17Base69819641545755 1343010.27
 30-Apr11Base65769039765452 101369.83
 23-Apr19Base53637432424543 104308.10
 16-Apr16Rest41484625323433 81346.25
Long Course9-Apr20Taper030312229200 002.21
A Race2-Apr19Taper53637432424543 104308.10
 26-Mar18Peak769010646606461 1493011.36
 19-Mar17Base69819641545755 1343010.27
 12-Mar16Rest41484625323433 81346.25
 5-Mar15Base69809541805755 1063810.34
10K25-Feb14Base67787440525654 13009.21
 19-Feb13Base66779140775553 102369.93
 12-Feb12Rest40464424313332 77335.96
10K5-Feb11Base65769039765452 10109.23
 29-Jan10Base64747138505351 124539.64
 22-Jan9Base63738738735250 97359.45
 15-Jan8Rest38444223293130 73315.67
 8-Jan7Base63728638725150 96349.38
 1-Jan6Base62716737475049 118509.19
 25-Dec5Base60698236694948 92339.01
 11-Dec4Rest36424022283029 69305.41
 4-Dec3Base61698237694949 91338.96
 27-Nov2Base60676436454848 112488.78
 20-Nov1Base59667835664747 88318.61



2006-11-28 8:36 AM
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Ron, thanks for your time on this, greatly appreciated, I like being able to see the weekly progression in the training time for the year. 

I did notice one anomaly, there is no week listed for May 21st.  I just added a duplicate of the April 23rd week for it in Excel.

2006-12-22 6:57 PM
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Subject: RE: Training plan longer than 20 weeks?
Got any ideas for a training plan for IM CDA on June 24, 2007? I did this year's w/a 20 week plan but didn't follow too carefully. Also doing Wildflower May 5th (the 1/2 iron). . . .. i want to break 13 hours!!
2006-12-23 4:04 PM
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These plans would be 'minutes only' with about the same type of setup as the other free sprint/oly plans but slightly different for long sessions.

I'm not going to promise you breaking 13 hours, but if you would like me to setup something around your races and current paces, I can.

Just give me your:

  • Current paces for your long swim, bike and run sessions and
  • Optimal days to swim, bike and run - include denoted days for long sessions.
2006-12-23 4:12 PM
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Subject: RE: Training plan longer than 20 weeks?
awesome! so far we are doing Master's swim on Tuesday, Thursday, and Saturday. the long run follows the Saturday swim and the long bike is done on Sunday. (i realize it's backwards). spin class is on Monday night right now and Tuesday is used for speedwork on the treadmill. my main priority is to keep the long run on Saturday and long bike on Sunday. we would normally do a short transition run after the long ride anyway.

as for pace, our long runs have been about 8:30-9 minute miles. swim is about 1:50/100M, and i haven't been on my tri bike since season. my CDA pace was 17.5 mph.

my problem is that a lot of the plans out there are too detailed. but i like the way that you set up the other one above. let me know if you need more info, i look forward to seeing the plan!!
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