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Runner | ![]() "connect your printers to oracle"? Does that mean she wants the printers to be able to print something in Oracle, or does she want them connected to the computer that has the database installed on it? Or is oracle a name for one of the computers (which would be rather odd, but kinda cool I guess)? Heh. Helpdesk ranks up there right around being a waiter/waitress in terms of thankless jobs. No one ever wants to talk to you, unless something is wrong. They claim that it's "mission critical" every time, and that their issue should take precedence in the queue. Oh, and it's never their fault, they were doing EXACTLY what they always do, and nothing different. |
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Extreme Veteran![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'd love to know how you connect a printer diretly to a database when i used to work help desk i got a call from a guy: guy: "Hi, the computer at this station wont turn on. I've pressed the space bar and turned on the monitor and nothing happened." (the computers were set upt to turn on with the space bar.) I get there and observe the following: a monitor, a key board, and a mouse... guess what's missing? the computer... dee-de-deee Edited by jsttri 2006-10-31 11:14 AM |
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Pro![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() What's that joke....? A man is in a hot air balloon and gets blown off course. Eventually he has no idea where he is. As he passes a building he shouts to one of its occupants, "hey, can you tell me where I am?" The occupant answers, "you are in a hot air balloon floating approximately 50 feet above the ground!" The man in the hot air balloon responds, "you must work at a computer help desk!" "what makes you say that?", the occupant asks. "Well, what you told me is technically correct, but of no use to me at all!" "Oh, you must be a manager, then." "Really! How'd you know?" "You've gotten yourself into a situation where you're totally screwed, you've asked for my help and now you've found a way to blame me for your predicament!" Edited by Opus 2006-10-31 11:28 AM |
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Champion![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The head of the IT dept here has some balls. I was observing a meeting and the issue came up that a "critical hold" couldn't be removed from a person's profile, so they couldn't go into containment. The IT Head said, "Well, I told them how to do it once. They should have written it down. If they can't figure that out, I can't help them." I just smiled inside because this wasn't "manager speak" that they were all use to. She was being serious. It took about 5 min before someone said, "So he needs to write down the directions?". Vastly humurous...for me. |
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Science Nerd![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I'm sure they have a list of IP addresses. One for every computer and printer in your company. But, that doesn't mean they know what computer is associated with what IP. We're supposed to have static IPs here, but people change their IP addresses all the time when the network is broken. So, you usually can't assume that the IP that was given to the computer when it was set up is the current IP for that comptuer. Being tech support SUCKS!! Lara - 2006-10-31 12:24 PM We use Oracle Apps for our ERP system.. i hate the canned reports but they don't have our Discover working yet.. so the canned reports are better than nothing.. we have a half dozen printers in the office and she needs one or two of them to print reports, invoices, POs, etc. from Oracle Apps.. i did print the test pages and sent them the IP addresses.. but HELLO they are IT.. shouldn't they have them.. and why wouldn't they provide an admin assistant with some basic instruction on how to pull them???? |
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Member![]() ![]() | ![]() When I worked in tech support some smart arse came up with the idea of giving each piece of equipment a name. Granted not very meaningful names. More just a combination of letters and numbers. But these names were what you would see if you pinged the ip address. They were also written onto the external box of the equipment in clear view for the user. Then when people rang up with a query/problem we simply asked them for the name and we could easily resolve the ip address ourselves. The next problem came when tracking the equipment down because the user had told you the 3rd floor rather than the 4th where it actually was!!!!! |
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Coach![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() >vent< THe printers in the ER where I work are on some wacky network where the print server is DOWNTOWN about 20 miles from our hospital. At random, the printers make up their own minds about what to print out (my prescriptions, my discharge instructions, both or niether) and where print them to (the correct printer, another printer, the Rx to one printer, the d/c instructions on a different printer, or even to a different part of the ER, or not at all). WHen this happens sometimes you hit print atgain and it works correctly. Sometimes you get a blank page. EVerytime you hit print, a record is entered in the patient's electronic medical record. Help desk's solution is to reboot the computer & reboot the printer. THey claim they have no control over it because the print server is not in the building, it's downtown. Rebooting once a day is not a big deal, but rebooting after every 2 or 3 patients IS a big deal, a hassle, an interruption to patient care, detrimental to the other patients in the ER because the 5 minutes I'm spending on an IT problem should be spent thinking about the next patient's medical issues. "d*mmit Jim, I'm a doctor...not a help desk guru..." >/vent< |
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Runner | ![]() AB, this is one of the areas where Healthcare could GREATLY reduce their costs. The problem is that it's often difficult to justify to the decision makers at a hospital how expenditures in IT can reduce operating costs. Couple reasons for that. One is the fact that IT expenditures in any business can be difficult to track in terms of cost-savings. Another is the fact that people tend to be very set in their ways when it comes to doing things. Sudden changes in how they perform routine tasks can be daunting for anyone. Another real biggie is security. With all the HIPAA and Sarbanes Oxley stuff flying around, it's really REALLY hard to get hospitals and other healthcare providers to look into putting more stuff into digital format. My observations, at least. But I think that one of the primary reasons healthcare in this country is as costly as it is is the simple fact that it's completely inefficient. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() haha... I love all these stories about helpdesks.... You are correct, some of these knuckleheads that sit on helpdesks do not know what the heck they are doing.......But, in saying that some of the things that users do or expect are out of control. haha.. I wonder how some of them are even able to make it to work in the morning. Kenny |
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Runner | ![]() Lara - 2006-10-31 3:10 PM this is the update they sent an hour ago... HOW DO THEY NOT KNOW THIS F'ING $HIT FOR THEMSELVES?!?!?!?!? and WHY COULDN'T THEY ASK WHEN THEY ASKED FOR THE F'ING IP ADDRESSES???? Please provide the printer models for the two printers, so that the correct drivers can be installed. Regards, IT Help Desk Because, as you already said, there are several printers there. As for not asking that with the IP addy's, they may not have realized at the time that it would be an issue. Chances are, they probably assumed that the drivers were either A) already installed, or B) generic enough they wouldn't have to worry about it. Turns out, they were wrong. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Not sure about this situation....but some places do not lock down ports on the network...so anybody can go to Officemax and buy printers, hubs, wireless aps....or whatever the heck they "think" they need....and plug it into the network....and then they think that the helpdesk should help them with it. Not saying this is the case, but it happens all the time. Kenny |
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Runner | ![]() Ten9T6 - 2006-10-31 3:24 PM Not sure about this situation....but some places do not lock down ports on the network...so anybody can go to Officemax and buy printers, hubs, wireless aps....or whatever the heck they "think" they need....and plug it into the network....and then they think that the helpdesk should help them with it. Not saying this is the case, but it happens all the time. Kenny *Snicker* Oh yeah, we get that here. We've even had people buy software and ask us to support it. This is AFTER they bought it, installed it, and tried to run it, then realized that it won't do what they want. Now, I have to modify the code (which inevitably I do not have access to), to get it to "do what I want". What do you want it to do? "You know, print reports and stuff. Oh, and show me this information." Did you put the information into the system? "No, why should I have to? It's already in this other database..." while pointing at an Excel spreadsheet..........grrrrrrrrrrr. On that note....quickest way to explode your DBA's head is to call your spreadsheets "databases". They LOVE that. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() why is that...? columns and rows "relate" to each other..... so it is a "Relational Database" correct? haha.. ![]() Kenny |
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Runner | ![]() Ten9T6 - 2006-10-31 3:36 PM why is that...? columns and rows "relate" to each other..... so it is a "Relational Database" correct? haha.. ![]() Kenny *snicker*...I'll remember that for next time...... |
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Expert![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Printers always cause my stress level to rise a few hundred precent. They are from hell. |
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Runner | ![]() Lara - 2006-10-31 3:42 PM our printers are named (by IT as PDX001, PDX002, PDX003, etc).. i really didn't think it would be rocket surgery to connect the PDX001 and PDX002 network printers to Oracle Apps to print POs, Invoices and reports it just makes me laugh.. IT set up the printers.. they named the printers.. they added them to the network.. but somehow they don't know a darn thing about them It all comes back to documentation. If the person who set them up initially didn't document them properly, then IT is screwed. Lara, I'm telling you, go read "The Geek Gap". It'll be quite interesting. |
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Master![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() nbo10 - 2006-10-31 2:46 PM Printers always cause my stress level to rise a few hundred precent. They are from hell. "PC Load letter!.....WTF does that mean...?" haha...great movie Kenny |
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Runner | ![]() Lara - 2006-10-31 4:05 PM it just seems to me like this should be information at their fingertips and they are passing the buck. Documentation is one of those "simple" things, that everyone ignores. Especially since the person doing the work is so intimately knowledgeable of the task, they tend to forget certain tidbits that become key later on. Of course, sometimes, you never can be sure what is really important, and what isn't. I spend more time trying to find information that someone forgot to document than actually fixing problems. Especially since I have to support in-house applications written by someone who no longer works for the company, and had no real idea how to comment his code. Or tell anyone where he hid the source code for his libraries. Yeah.....that was a fun day, ransacking his old hard drive. Ugh...... I have never wanted to kill someone so much. Now I guess I'M ranting. Thanks, Lara. I feel better. |
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Elite![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() don't get me started on IT. Except my issues lie with my IT department, not the other way around. First off, someone in the state legislature decided that all state campus networks need to be interconnected and that active directory is the best way to do that. This of course means that any Linux machine on the network is crippled and cannot access network resources such as network drives or printers. Too bad 90% of my work is on linux systems.... Secondly they decided on this system and have no idea what it takes to run it. So the network is a giant hack job. I have a home network running better then this thing. i should have had a clue as to the problems I had when I started there. As soon as I found out I was doing web development, I was introduced to the 'head web designer' on campus. He promptly touted that the campus had the cutting edge web development software availible on the network. He then opens up Frontpage to show me how to use it.... The latest installment has actually been with our help desk. I'm attending a conference next week for which I have to have a large format poster (34x44). Campus has a plotter capable of printing this size. So I design a nice poster in FreeHand and head down to the help desk to ask about the printer, so I can make sure I set the margins and the resolution right. The conversation whent something like this: Me: "I just need to know the margins and resolution of the printer and if it is post script enabled. I'm assuming it's CMYK, right?" him: "ummmm, not sure." walks to printer and reads label "It doesn't say here. We can print 33x34, is that what you need?" me: "not really. What format are you most comfortable printing. I'd prefer eps as I developed it in CMYK and don't want to deal with conversion loss. You can do that right?" him: "ummmm, eps? Is that a macintosh format? This printer is only configured to print power point documents, so you're going to have to save it as a ppt."
the grand finale is the actual code i'm working with. It was origionally developed over the course of a few years by a few different people (alarm bell 1). One of the developers speaks broken english (alarm bell 2). This program is a collection of about 70 individual procedures which are not commented and do not follow any form of logical flow. They were written in a language called IDL, which has implicit pointers. AKA if you load a variable in a child procedure, it is loaded to a common stack where ANY procedure can access it. I get the job of going into this rat's nest and pulling out the pieces I need. Wouldn't be bad except for the fact that there is no documentation, the function names look like they are written in Borat-ese and they are fragmented to hell. There are some functions called 4 layers deep to set a variable that is needed later 2 layers into another call; there are variables declared and quantities calculated that are never used; there are blocks of declared variables that aren't used followed by a whole set of variables declared on the fly. sometimes I just want to smack people Edited by vortmax 2006-10-31 8:16 PM |
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Runner | ![]() Matt, I can feel your pain. My last job, I had to start from scratch on what ended up being a math library. The previous developer was an old-time FORTRAN coder, so he liked to name all his variables 3 characters. No comments. Oh, and he NEVER used looping statements. So I printed out one procedure, and it went for 6 pages, four of which were the exact same code, just repeated over and over and over again. I had the senior developer tell me that "Methods aren't used in the real world, they're only used by those academic types." Dude, this is a 4GL extremely object-oriented language, and you work for the company that created the language, yet you think class methods aren't used??? Yeah, I didn't last but a year at that job. |
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