Crummy Weather Winter Showdown week one! (Nov 12-18)

Well I hope that this is as bad as it gets but I highly dought it.  We have had a warm spell for the last week.  My only workout that will qualify this week was from last Sunday.  Trail running at 34/35 degrees for 100 minutes = 50 points.  I will try to suck more in the future.  Skiff of snow at the top of the trail.

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I had big plans for having a sucktastic workout today, but it warmed to 45 by lunchtime .   Alas, no points, but I did ride in some muddy snow in the foothills.  

BTW this challenge is awesome,  Let's keep it going.  

One question, do you get double points for bike?  i.e. If it is 28 degrees and you ride, do you get the 1 point for temp + 1 point for bike? 

Yep, it was agreed that biking would be a full point multiplier in the Suck calculations.

O.K., so I've only got Monday outside so far...75 min run @ 34 degrees w/8mph wind

75 * (0.5 + 1) = 112.5 pts

Hope to get outside tomorrow.  This is weird!  I'm actually looking for excuses to get outside rather than run the indoor track.  I think the WW Showdown's working...

Autumn, you brought your calculator out in the cold, didn't you?  Mine's warmed up and shows your points at 103.5.

Slide rules still work in the cold, but you're too young to know how to use one.    Oh, so am I...

Okay, I know I'm mathematically (and otherwise) challenged at times.  Let me run this past you.  My run from last sunday was 57:27, 32 degrees, no wind no rain.  My run from this morning was 71 minutes, 32 degrees, 12mph wind, no rain.  So the mutliplier for my first run is .5 which makes it worth 28.75 points and the multiplier for my second run is 2.5 which, if we use the same amount of time for comparison, comes to 143.75 points. 

My point is this, in the first example it seems like the .5 for 32 degrees has the opposite effect that it does in the second example.  It goes from being a penalty to being a bonus, and vice versa.  If this is the intended effect, that's fine.  I'll roll with it.  But I'm not sure that's how you meant it to work.  Thoughts?

The .5 valuation on the 30-35 degrees simply states that it only mildly sucks at those temps, thus no real major suckitude factor.  Its not a penalty per se, it just gets you on the board.  With you run today, the wind factor adds suckitude, so you have some mild suckage with the temp and more with the wind.  What the multiplier hopes to do is quantify the level of suck and throw it into obnoxious point totals.  So your Sunday run simply didnt suck so back versus today.  Does that answer the question or am I misunderstanding?  I dont know that my brain is working yet today.  In short, the bigger the score, the bigger the suck!

I guess I'm ok with the way the points are set up.  The 0.5 temp multiplier has the same effect in your first and second example.  The 2 points for the wind in the second example is what is driving your point total up.

Week one of "suck".  For November in Wisconsin, this didn't really suck.  We'll see what the judges rule about today.  My car said 36-37, but jszat's said 34.

I sent you an update off the Garmin.  No points on the temp, but 8 mph winds so one point for that.

Wind points...Thanks!

Updated chart for the week...

Morey, I gotta call you out on the wind factor.  The Garmin only had 8mph listed.  If you have a reliable source lemme know so I can juice mine up too.

Wind data is gonna be a problem for me.  Weather.com showed 17 on Monday and 13 on Wednesday.  Though in each case I looked later.  I do KNOW there was a wind in our face heading north on Wed and it was the windiest day of running this week.  So, I KNOW the 2mph is BS, but I'll go with it and try to find better wind data moving forward.  For now, no biggie...

BTW, I did build a spreadsheet that allows me to plug in the data and it will spit out the points.  I've attached it.   Everyone's probably built much cooler shat already, but FWIW here it is...

Wow, you're tough.  I checked weather.com when I left for my run and it said 12mph.  When I left for work 1.5 hours later at 5:30am it said 8mph.  If we are going to be that technical I'm got to ask.  Do we go with what it says at the beginning of a workout because that's when you venture out, or do we go with whatever is the worst during the workout?

Example:  It's 32 with light winds and I go out for a run.  I'm finishing lap 2 of a 4 lap 10 mile run.  A downpour erupts.  I call it quits after lap 2.  I don't think I should get rain points if I quit the run because of the rain, but we're going to have to leave it up to each person's judgement and honesty on where to draw the line here.  Heading out into a downpour to run is a lot different than getting caught in one, but that doesn't mean that it has to be raining at the start of your run to earn rain points either.  I don't think we should try to legislate this part.  Just go with best judgement.  Anyone who would cheat is only cheating themselves anyway.

At the end of this the braggin rights shouldn't come from who the overall winner is, but from anyone who is participating and made themselves work out in weather they otherwise would not have.  We will all be CRUMMY WEATHER CHALLENGE ALL STARS.  (ok, someone has to come up with a rougher, tougher sounding nickname for us.)

Well, I cant let Morey get away with it when I am out there with em, ya know.  I went with the avg for mine but I suppose peak could work too.  As far as precip, it can be subjective.  I would say just go with what will let you sleep at night   If you call it quits in a downpour, you didnt suck it up IMO so put whatever it is that you did stay out there in.

So far I like this challenge. I needed motivation to get myself out there. I even felt a little guilty running indoors around the ice rinks last night, tho I'm pretty sure it is probably about 45 degrees in there, above freezing but no wind and no precipitation. I'll try to get a picture on my run this weekend, I like the ones at the end of the workout when we are frozen frosted.

I used the spreadsheet you provided and it racked up some points.

...and you don't remember a breeze hitting us in the face up sunny slope and up 124th?  Certainly more than 2 mph wind, my man.

Anyway, I need to fix my spreadsheet already as I realized it will still assign points for a run in 80 degree weather, and I didn't extend the formulas up to Sunday.  What is the temperature cutoff, if any, for the challenge?

jszat, I thought our point was 35+ (which this morning was for us) meant no suck points for any of it?  It could be argued many ways (eg, a 40 degree rainy run can be big suck!), and that's not my goal...just gimme the temperature cap that you want points assigned.

Thanks

jszat agreed that we should have a HARD 50 degree cutoff for this challenge.  Stuff between 40-50 with precip and/or wind is eligible for suckage points.  Clear, calm stuff in the 40s is your call, but as a group we can judge some of that as non-suck if we want.   The spreadsheet calculator will give you credit.

So, attached is a corrected spreadsheet, fixing the error on Sundays, and a HARD CAP at 50.  No points over that.