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2007-10-24 8:17 AM

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Subject: Power Meter (Power Tap) Basics
I have some dispossable income that I would like to spend on Tri-Goodies. I thought about race wheels, but after reading the threads on here, it looks like a power meter is more bang for the buck (plus I love electronic gadgets)

Can someone give me the low down on these.
1. What is a good dependable unit? Brand?
2. Do you install these yourself (somewhat mechanically inclined).
3. Are their different sizes?
4. Do you have to get a new wheel for the unit?
5. Can you ride outdoors with the unit, or is it just for a trainer?
6. If you can ride outside with them, can you race with it on your bike.
7. Are used units safe to buy on ebay, or are these units sensitive to wear etc.
8. Any thing else for the beginner.

Thanks,


2007-10-24 8:42 AM
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jamesehatcher . 1. What is a good dependable unit? Brand? see below thread the Allen & Cogan Power book is where you should start your research...it is in the link too

2. Do you install these yourself (somewhat mechanically inclined). Some you can easily like power tap, others you need to be mechanically inclined..the book will help you understand what is involved.
3. Are their different sizes?
4. Do you have to get a new wheel for the unit?
5. Can you ride outdoors with the unit, or is it just for a trainer? Both
6. If you can ride outside with them, can you race with it on your bike. Yes
7. Are used units safe to buy on ebay, or are these units sensitive to wear etc. Lots of folks buy them off ebay to save money. Just like anything else there is a risk. I bought my Zipp 404's with power tap hub off ebay and got the full system..works fine...what he said about how much use the wheels have I think was not true..buyer beware. If you go with the common power tap unit waiting for a 20% off coupon + 10% rebate at Performance Bike makes the unit in the range of what they are sold for on ebay and it's new.
8. Any thing else for the beginner. Thanks,

 

Here is a link to a discussion we had about it a couple weeks ago and many of your questions are answered there.

http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp... love training with power and I think it can really help your cycling if you use the information you gather.



Edited by KathyG 2007-10-24 8:43 AM
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jamesehatcher - 2007-10-24 9:17 AM I have some dispossable income that I would like to spend on Tri-Goodies. I thought about race wheels, but after reading the threads on here, it looks like a power meter is more bang for the buck (plus I love electronic gadgets) Can someone give me the low down on these. 1. What is a good dependable unit? Brand? 2. Do you install these yourself (somewhat mechanically inclined). 3. Are their different sizes? 4. Do you have to get a new wheel for the unit? 5. Can you ride outdoors with the unit, or is it just for a trainer? 6. If you can ride outside with them, can you race with it on your bike. 7. Are used units safe to buy on ebay, or are these units sensitive to wear etc. 8. Any thing else for the beginner. Thanks,

1. PowerTap, Ergomo and SRM (in order from least to most expensive). They all have about the same accuracy. PowerTap may be a bit less dependable (esp. in the rain).

2. All can be installed pretty easilly (Ergomo requires instalation of bottom bracket, SRM is a crank install)

3. Not sure what you mean by different sizes. Powertap is a hub--it can be built into a 650 or 700c wheel). Ergomo is a bottom bracket--I believe it comes in square-taper or Isis-drive. You'll need cranks to match. SRM is a crankset--you'll need an appropriate BB).

4. New wheel: you can have a PowerTap hub built onto an existing rim, as long as the spoke count matches that of the hub. The others don't utilize a wheel).

5. Indoor or outdoor.

6. Sure you can race on them. The Ergomo and SRM have the advantage of being able to be used with any wheelset. For the PowerTap, you can build it onto a race wheel, or use a disc cover.

7. Probably as safe as anything to buy on E-Bay.

8. A few other options: iBike (I don't recommend it because it only infers power from a bunch or other inputs (namely wind resistance, which is extremely variable. So it's not very accurate. Also, can't use it inside. Polar has a power unit that infers power from chain tension and speed. Supposed to be pretty tricky to set up. There's a new power meter (Quarq) that's wireless and mounts to the crank spider. On par price wise with the SRM (expensive).

edit: link for a discussion of the Quarq PM: http://www.bikeradar.com/road/news/article/interbike-quarq-power-meter-real-bike-computer-12672

 



Edited by run4yrlif 2007-10-24 8:46 AM
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The other kind that run4yrlif didn't mention is Polar makes one that measure the vibration of your chain. Setup is definitely harder than the others - you need to know the weight or weigh your chain, and measure the distance (I think) between your rear wheel hub and your cranks.

There is a good review, a few years old, at

http://www.biketechreview.com/archive/pm_review.htm

Good luck!

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2007-10-24 8:48 AM
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The other thing is that apparently there is a book by Andrew Coggan and somebody else about racing & training with a powermeter. Don't know the exact title, but it's something like that. I have heard that is a very good investment if you're gettign a powermeter, since it's keyt hat you use the information it gives you in a smart manner - otherwise it's a huge waste of money.

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2007-10-24 8:51 AM
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tomp - 2007-10-24 9:46 AM

The other kind that run4yrlif didn't mention is Polar makes one that measure the vibration of your chain.

I mentioned it...see #8.



2007-10-24 8:54 AM
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Jim - I stand corrected!!!

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run4yrlif - 2007-10-24 9:51 AM
tomp - 2007-10-24 9:46 AM

The other kind that run4yrlif didn't mention is Polar makes one that measure the vibration of your chain.

I mentioned it...see #8.

2007-10-24 9:19 AM
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The book you want is Racing and Training with a Power Meter by Hunter Allen and Andrew Coggan.

I've got a PT and have never had issues in 2 years, even in rain. Granted, I've never been out in an severe downpour, but I have been in light rain several times.

The Quarq setup is going to be about $2k for the system ($1200 for the spider that your cranks and sprocket go on and $1000 for the head unit). The thing looks bad a$$ (the head unit has built in GPS, 512MB of RAM and a Linux OS), but it remains to be seen how good it will be.

Edited by dgunthert 2007-10-24 9:20 AM
2007-10-24 11:29 AM
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Regarding rain and Power Taps: The older units had problems with water getting into the hub units. This isn't the case with the SL's. You do need to put a little dielectric grease on the contact points of the computer and the mounting cradle, but this is the case with most computers when using them in heavy rain.

I've ridden mine in downpours, and had no problems.


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2007-10-24 11:33 AM
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To answer #8, you want to pick up a copy of Training and Racing with a Powermeter by Allen and Coggan. I would also suggest that you use cyclingpeaks wko software. This comes standard with the ergomo, but is compatible with all of the common power meters.

scott
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