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2009-05-08 10:41 AM
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How warm are the waters around here getting? I am wanting to get in some OW but no wetsuit. Just wondering if its bearable yet.

JeepFleeb - 2009-05-08 10:41 AM I've got an OWS clinic to coach tomorrow morning.  Easy swim and bike on Sunday and then back to real training again on Monday!
2009-05-08 10:45 AM
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2009-05-08 11:18 AM
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JeepFleeb - 2009-05-07 1:17 PM



I'd say to not cut any calories from you estimated RMR.  You never want to eat less than that.  So days you don't have workouts you just don't loose any weight.  You want to loose weight from burning calories in workouts instead of eating less.

For calories replaced from workouts: you want to replace all calories burned to maintain your weight.  For weightloss you only need to replace the calories burned from carbs.  I wouldn't get too hung up on a specific number of calories per day or a weightloss per week.  Loose a little with every workout.  As long as you're headed in the right direction then you'll get there.  And like I mentioned earlier, a goal weight is just an arbitrary number.  You care about body fat and how you look and feel.  And the better you fuel your workouts the more muscle you build which burns fat even when you're not working out.

If you really want to get detailed, you can come up to DFW for a weekend and I can do the RMR/VO2 tests so you can know exactly what your numbers are.


Thanks for the info! My understanding is these weren't RMR rates, they asked all sorts of questions about daily activity and gave me a number from there. I answered the questions for everything but my workouts, figuring I would add in the workout calories daily. This is good info though. And, I'd love to come up and get those tests done. I've wanted to get them done for a while now. I told my hubbie last night that once he finds a job, I'm heading up there to get the tests done I started with the calorie counting because my weight has been increasing lately and it's definitely bodyfat, not muscle. I'm guess I'm just not sure how to get the weight down without counting along with exercise.
2009-05-08 4:34 PM
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Newtons1st - 2009-05-08 9:26 AM Happy Friday everyone. I had a good little swim to start the day and a good run planned for tonight. How does everyones weekend trianing look? Good rides/runs/ ows coming up? I will be hoping to beat the rain Saturday morning for some road time.


Looking to get some biking in on saturday, weather permittingCool
2009-05-09 8:21 AM
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This week's training has been a real bust. Way too much drama at work spilling over into personal life.  Was hoping to get my first OWS in this weekend, but now the weather is not going to permit it.  Thunderstorms today and more rain tomorrow. Must be nice for you warm weather folks to have a choice about wetsuits.  The water temp here is still in the low 50's at best.  Keeps you moving though.  =)


2009-05-10 7:05 PM
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Ok, I need some advice on how to kick oneself in the butt.  

I was so pumped in January before the knee popped.  Then I was frustrated and waiting and waiting.  Now that I did a sprint a few weeks back and proved that it could hold up (and proved that I needed to get in shape, ha), what's the hold up?  I know my schedule is busy, but come on, that just boils down to making it a point to find the time.  And it looks like the Mavs season is coming to an end, that will free up quite a few hours.

I guess what helped last year was having a plan drawn out for each day, each week, etc....and writing it down and tracking it.   Hopefully making it public and writing my commitment here will help too.  I need to will get back in the groove.  

Swim tonight, no matter how late my wife gets home from work....and Tuesday run with the club at the track....and by Wednesday have a 20ish week plan drawn out for my A race in September. 
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2009-05-11 10:57 AM
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I had a good week last week and will be adding in some distance on the runs and more time on the bike before a little rest week next week. The muscle not to be named, the one on the back part of the lower leg, is holding up well. No issues so far and keeping it well stretched, rolled, hydrated and iced. I need to keep pushing the swims, but I say that every week. They are going well. Keep trying to hang with faster people.   
2009-05-11 11:37 AM
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Weekly Check In:

My first week with this new HIM training program sucked. Day 1 was great, after that everything went south quickly. Without getting into the nitty gritty, life and work were defiantly monkeying with my proposed training plan. I guess the days of me sleeping in and still getting in all of the volume are over I still have a month to work out the kinks before my 20 wk plan officially starts so no one here is freaking out.......yet. Time to dust off the old alarm clock.

I was able to get back on track this weekend and put in some bike and running miles. Have a little bit of soreness in my left hip. This might be from my bike fit. (Which I have never had done.)

This weeks focus is going to be on just completing the volume for each of my planned workouts. I am not going to worry if today is a hills day, an endurance day, a speed day, etc. Only going to think about completing the time or distance (swimming) that is called for. From that info, then re-evaluate if this is the right plan for my first HIM.

On another note I wanted to send out a question to all of you BT JeepFleepers. Of the following items:
1) VO2 Max / RMR testing
2) Heart Rate monitor
3) Proper bike fitting
All of these items are beneficial in training. Being budget conscious these days, IYO, which would you take care of and in what order?

Hope you guys have great weeks.



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2009-05-11 1:46 PM
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BIKE FIT FIRST, learn to ride efficiently with proper form.

then HRM

then VO2 max, blahblah

and I think that committing to time first with bikes & runs, distance with swims, is the best method (worked great for me!)

jeepersfleepers, where'd you get them peepers.... 

 



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My thought is a proper bike fitting.  It seems to me that VO2 testing is excellent for wanting to excel into the FOP as long as you can combine it with dedicated training.  HRM is a very nice to have, but you can substitute it with RPE (rate of perceived exertion).

However, there's no substitute for a proper bike fit.  It will instantly improve your speed, lower your exertion, and help prevent injuries vs. a bike that is not fitted correctly.

Smile


My week started off good.  Ran the 1/2 marathon on Sunday, and jumped right into the olympic plan on Monday.  That lasted 5 days (including the planned rest day on Friday!).  But didn't do anything over the weekend.  My in-laws headed back to Ireland yesterday, so this was a weekend to spend some time with them.

Plan this week is to extend my swimming further, and do a full week of training!



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2009-05-11 5:47 PM
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Week 6 of the beginner HIM plan is in the books.  I managed to get 95% of it done, which was great considering I was out of town for three days  (thanks to Patrick and Todd for the out of town running trail info!).  Week 7 this week and a "C" race 5k to end the week.

Patrick, it took me several weeks to get into the HIM training routine.  It definately doesn't mix well with sleeping inFoot in mouth  The beginner HIM plan is a bit more kind in volume than the straight up HIM plan and is about the max I can squeeze in weekly right now.

Here is my $.02 on the equipment priorities:

1. Bike fit.  Even if you find you don't need to change anything, then at least you know fit isn't a contributing factor to any issues your having.

2.  Vo2 max/rmr testing.  I think this is important from a nutritional standpoint.  I'm looking to get this done so I can know for sure what kind of calories I'm burning and how much I should be eating.  I haven't found anywhere nearby to get this done yet though.  If I ever have some free time in the DFW area, I'll be looking up Aaron for this!

3.  HRM.  I have one, but generally use it primarily for pace, which I am a terrible judge of, and an estimate of calories burned to help with nutritional targets.  (see #2)
2009-05-11 7:01 PM
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1) VO2 Max / RMR testing 2) Heart Rate monitor 3) Proper bike fitting All of these items are beneficial in training. Being budget conscious these days, IYO, which would you take care of and in what order? Hope you guys have great weeks.


1) Bike fit
2) VO2 / RMR testing
3) Heart Rate Monitor

Need to fit your bike....I might be off on this, but if you want to use your heart rate monitor to the fullest, then you should really know the Vo2 / RMR stuff.  Saying this as my heart rate monitor is collecting dust somewhere in this house...lol 

Or maybe do the bike 3rd
....I dont know....Jeep????????? 

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Hey everybody,  Well this week started off great,  got a good bike in yesterday and then short swim, bike and run in today.  Then I got home..... Just after dinner, I got a call from my business partner's wife.  They were in the hospital.  He had been playing hockey with his boys and somehow managed to fall and land on a stick in just such a way that he tore his kidney. WTF?  How the hell does that happen?  The doctors aren't sure yet whether or not he is going to need surgery to correct it.  They are waiting for a specialist to arrive at the hospital to check him out.  Anyway, looks like I will be pulling double shifts for a while.  So much for getting back on track with the training..... Wish me luck, I think I'm going to need it.
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gobluedds - 2009-05-11 9:36 PM Hey everybody,  Well this week started off great,  got a good bike in yesterday and then short swim, bike and run in today.  Then I got home..... Just after dinner, I got a call from my business partner's wife.  They were in the hospital.  He had been playing hockey with his boys and somehow managed to fall and land on a stick in just such a way that he tore his kidney. WTF?  How the hell does that happen?  The doctors aren't sure yet whether or not he is going to need surgery to correct it.  They are waiting for a specialist to arrive at the hospital to check him out.  Anyway, looks like I will be pulling double shifts for a while.  So much for getting back on track with the training..... Wish me luck, I think I'm going to need it.


Hope your colleague is ok.  Sounds like a freak accident. 

Looks like you will have a tight schedule like what I have been experiencing with my wife remodeling a Day Spa (or in other words, her telling me what she wants done to the spa in the middle of the night after work, ha).  Something that helps me is that the pool I swim in is open 24 hrs, and I have a trainer for when I have to do things in the middle of the night.
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JeepFleeb - 2009-05-11 8:54 AM Weekly check in:

Not much to say.

What's everyone else up to?

I'll check in after I've kicked this week's azz.    So far so good. NMMW!

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AdaBug - 2009-05-11 1:46 PM

BIKE FIT FIRST, learn to ride efficiently with proper form.

then HRM

then VO2 max, blahblah


 



This gets my vote too!

Scott, I am so sorry to hear about your coworker, I hope he heals quickly!

My week was good. Still light on the run volume, but really had a great bike ride on Saturday and a good swim TT earlier in the week. This week is very bike-centric, but I'm adding in runs when I can. Hopefully next week will get back to normal so that I can balance things a little better. My leg is feeling much better, but it comes and goes. Right now it's gone, so I'm happy
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Bike Fit it is. Thanks for all of the help.


2009-05-13 5:47 PM
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Good news from the hospital today.  Looks like my partner is going to be ok.  He should be released in the morning.  He will have a few more days of bed rest, but thinks that he'll be able to be back at work in a  limited capacity next week.  Laughing
Thanks for all the well wishes everyone.
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gobluedds - 2009-05-13 6:47 PM Good news from the hospital today.  Looks like my partner is going to be ok.  He should be released in the morning.  He will have a few more days of bed rest, but thinks that he'll be able to be back at work in a  limited capacity next week.  Laughing
Thanks for all the well wishes everyone.

Glad to hear that!  Hope he bounces back quick. 
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