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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ok couple of questions. I used Maffetone's but it only created two zones. My Garmin has 5 and they look more reasonable. Should I use what the Garmin calculated? On the walk, jog, walk, I assume I should be using the Garmin for all 3 parts, right? Do I do it as three separate laps, or just one? Thanks for your patience! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() The other day I read that Dirk Bockel (multiple IM champ) visualizes the race and all the stages and then writes it down with a happy ending. Maybe that’s a good idea too, if you have positive thoughts they’re more likely to become realities. It also helps you to fight the demons that come to your head during the run in Ironman trying to make you walk. Don’t listen to them and keep running, no matter how slow, but keep running. Just reward yourself with a little walk at the aid stations but start running immediately after you leave it. The run is just 26 one mile repeats! I love this one. I have to write it on my hand and look at it when I've had it i.e. all the time during the run. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jdiis - 2011-02-09 9:13 PM Ok couple of questions. I used Maffetone's but it only created two zones. My Garmin has 5 and they look more reasonable. Should I use what the Garmin calculated? On the walk, jog, walk, I assume I should be using the Garmin for all 3 parts, right? Do I do it as three separate laps, or just one? Thanks for your patience! Maffetone’s method is the best, because you’re either aerobic or anaerobic. What you should be pursuing right now is not speed but the creation of an aerobic “engine” in your body. Speed after a few months will be natural and effortless. The other advantage is that you train slow, decrease injury rate (or eliminate the possibility) and you can go much longer periods. Once you establish your maximum aerobic threshold, you train right at it. Speed comes by itself later on. This little workout that I told you to do requires the use of your Garmin at all times and after you do it we’ll talk some more. Don’t ever stop it though, set the Garmin to do auto laps at one mile. Go to “Training”, then “training options”, then “auto lap” and set it to one mile (or half if you wish). |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() I don't know if it's my luck, or what, but I've tried a number of bike computers and they work for some time only, then just stop. I change batteries, re-adjust everything - nothing happens. I have also similar frustrating experience with HR monitors... Right now I'm lucky if the lights work on the bike at night, nothing else seems to. [/rant] |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ernesto, I'm trying to set the two zones up for Maffetone's calculations in my Garmin. It won't let me clear out zones 3, 4 and 5. Can you tell me how to do this? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jdiis - 2011-02-11 12:10 PM Ernesto, I'm trying to set the two zones up for Maffetone's calculations in my Garmin. It won't let me clear out zones 3, 4 and 5. Can you tell me how to do this? Jackie,
From what I saw in your profile your aerobic threshold is only 122? That doesn’t sound right unless you are 58 years old, which I believe is not your case, right? I also saw that you had a “bad” run on Monday where you say you probably didn’t stretch enough. Stretching is BAD FOR YOU. Think about this, your muscles are cold from inactivity and environment, and you elongate them putting a lot of tension. The way to properly get your muscles ready for activity is to either walk or jog very slow (increasing the pace gradually) for a period between 12 and 15 minutes. As far as the training zones setup in your Garmin, the only way you’ll be able to do this is by creating an alert every time your heart rate goes over your aerobic threshold (Go to “training”, “training options”, “alerts”, “hr alert”, “on” and then “custom” with your own number. In my Garmin I have it set at 143 BPM (my anaerobic threshold starts at 144 BPM), so every time I my HR spikes (even one beat) it gives me an audible alert (it’s kind of annoying). So, with all that said, what you want to do in this period is run and bike below that “magic number” the majority of the time, even if it’s ridiculously slow. In a few weeks you’ll see your body yielding a MUCH faster pace at the same HR. I do ALL my long workouts below my threshold. This is my last long run: http://connect.garmin.com/activity/65949044
As you can see, my HR rarely climbs above the number and when it does, I slow down to bring it back down. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Yes Ernesto, the secret is out ![]() OK, I've uploaded my run tonight. Garmin said I could not set my zones to have just 2, so I filled them out like this: 1 30-60 2 61-121 3 122-152 4 153-183 5 184-220 What to do next? Tomorrow I am swimming and maybe biking. If I don't ride tomorrow, I will ride on Sunday. Same zones? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jdiis - 2011-02-11 6:52 PM Yes Ernesto, the secret is out ![]() OK, I've uploaded my run tonight. Garmin said I could not set my zones to have just 2, so I filled them out like this: 1 30-60 2 61-121 3 122-152 4 153-183 5 184-220 What to do next? Tomorrow I am swimming and maybe biking. If I don't ride tomorrow, I will ride on Sunday. Same zones? Looking at your picture I would've guessed you were low 40's at the most. Ok, disregard the 5 training zones and try what I told you about the aerobic training. Tomorrow and Sunday do a long ride and long run in the same order. Do what YOU consider long, leave the pool for the weekdays for now. Do not allow your HR to go past the 122 mark (set your HR alert at 123) and RESPECT IT. You're gonna feel super slow but don't worry, YOU WILL go much faster in a few weeks at the 122BPM mark. Keep in mind, no stretching, but a good warm up starting with a walk (or low effort on the bike at a high cadence). Later we'll analyze the results. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() evillarroel - 2011-02-11 7:58 PM jdiis - 2011-02-11 6:52 PM Yes Ernesto, the secret is out ![]() OK, I've uploaded my run tonight. Garmin said I could not set my zones to have just 2, so I filled them out like this: 1 30-60 2 61-121 3 122-152 4 153-183 5 184-220 What to do next? Tomorrow I am swimming and maybe biking. If I don't ride tomorrow, I will ride on Sunday. Same zones? Looking at your picture I would've guessed you were low 40's at the most. Ok, disregard the 5 training zones and try what I told you about the aerobic training. Tomorrow and Sunday do a long ride and long run in the same order. Do what YOU consider long, leave the pool for the weekdays for now. Do not allow your HR to go past the 122 mark (set your HR alert at 123) and RESPECT IT. You're gonna feel super slow but don't worry, YOU WILL go much faster in a few weeks at the 122BPM mark. Keep in mind, no stretching, but a good warm up starting with a walk (or low effort on the bike at a high cadence). Later we'll analyze the results. I should have checked your log before, what you did is PERFECT. That's exactly what you need now. Here's my conclusions: - Looking at your heart rate in the second walk, it seems like you have worked a lot on your higher end of the HR in the past, diminishing your aerobic capacity. This is a probable cause for you to feel winded when you're swimming. - Your running pace is constant and good, but the ratio with the HR is workable, it can be narrowed significantly. Q: In an effort scale from 1 to 10, how did the run FEEL? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Dude, that's a great workout! Good repeats and heart rate. Running of all three is the most enjoyable one when you start to get good at it. Keep up the good work! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Is anybody on facebook? If you care to friend me, you can search [email protected] |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Run was a level 6 effort. I was singing most of the time :-) I felt like I could go faster or longer but not both. Ok I'll be riding a long, slow ride tomorrow, no swimming. Now I've got to see if I can hook up the bike cadence piece. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ernesto. FB request sent. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() markz - 2011-02-12 4:51 PM Ernesto. FB request sent. It's already been accepted. Mark, I use my Garmin for the bike as well, I keep track of my HR and also cadence (with the attachment). In four years of using the 305 it's been replaced only once, and I even wear it while I'm swimming in open water to track distance. The cost is only 112 in Amazon. Like I made the comment on your facebook wall, you are putting all your training in, it shows commitment and perseverance (and your fitness level is superb, considering the heat you're facing every day, your frequency and your paces). |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() evillarroel - 2011-02-12 6:31 PM markz - 2011-02-12 4:51 PM Ernesto. FB request sent. It's already been accepted. Mark, I use my Garmin for the bike as well, I keep track of my HR and also cadence (with the attachment). In four years of using the 305 it's been replaced only once, and I even wear it while I'm swimming in open water to track distance. The cost is only 112 in Amazon. Like I made the comment on your facebook wall, you are putting all your training in, it shows commitment and perseverance (and your fitness level is superb, considering the heat you're facing every day, your frequency and your paces). Thank you Ernesto, this gives me some more confidence. Yes, it is hot during the day here, but the distance has to be done, there's no other way. I also like it! |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ok, I rode SLOW today. So slow I think I could have walked faster. Effort level was about a 3. I feel like I could have continued riding for about 8 more hours at that pace if I didn't get bored first. But, I don't feel like I worked out at all. Is it possible that those two zones need adjusted? My poor friends were so patient. I don't know if they will ride with me that slowly again. How soon do I get to go faster??? I also accidentally shut the timer off somewhere along the way and didn't realize it, so we really rode 3 miles longer than the data says. What next coach/mentor? |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Mark, I too had a problem with my bike computer and heart monitor (two different instruments). Now with the Garmin, I just have it all in one. Today was the first day with it on the bike. It was super easy to set up and worked like a charm. No wires! |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jdiis - 2011-02-12 9:10 PM Ok, I rode SLOW today. So slow I think I could have walked faster. Effort level was about a 3. I feel like I could have continued riding for about 8 more hours at that pace if I didn't get bored first. But, I don't feel like I worked out at all. Is it possible that those two zones need adjusted? My poor friends were so patient. I don't know if they will ride with me that slowly again. How soon do I get to go faster??? I also accidentally shut the timer off somewhere along the way and didn't realize it, so we really rode 3 miles longer than the data says. What next coach/mentor? Jackie, Like I said, it will take a while before you see results, perhaps even a couple months. It will be gradual though, and that will give you an incentive to keep doing the same. I know it sounds crazy but aerobic speed is a reality for everybody that stays faithful to the concept and has PATIENCE. You may want to go faster with your friends so you don't become a nuissance for them. Maybe keep the Maffetone method for running by yourself. I will tell you that you do have a deficient aerobic capacity because your "normal" HR when running is quite a bit higher than your threshold, indication of overworked anaerobic muscle fibers. When I did Ironman I had only two words in my mind all day, PATIENCE AND DETERMINATION. Don't forget that. Tomorrow when you run, keep a pace like the other day, do the walk before and after but extend the duration of the actual run. We'll analyze the info afterwards. Trust me you are doing great. |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ok, so should I sign up for a sprint in March or wait a few months? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jdiis - 2011-02-12 9:32 PM Ok, so should I sign up for a sprint in March or wait a few months? Athens is very cold, if you haven't signed up for it I would wait a bit more. A friend of mine was so cold on the bike, he suffered hypothermia and had to be pulled out. I don't think you are not ready, I just believe you are gonna do so much better after you develop your aerobic capacity. You can finish a sprint TODAY if you wanted to, struggling a bit in the water though. |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() jdiis - 2011-02-12 9:13 PM Mark, I too had a problem with my bike computer and heart monitor (two different instruments). Now with the Garmin, I just have it all in one. Today was the first day with it on the bike. It was super easy to set up and worked like a charm. No wires! Thanks Jackie, I think it's inevitable. Btw, don't worry about riding slow, it will come, but first you must build a base. It will protect you from injuries and make riding more enjoyable. Then it will be up to you what to do with it. |
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![]() ![]() | ![]() Hi- I was reading really good things about First Endurance EFS drink & the EFS shot. What is your opinion? Have you tried them? |
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Master ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Jd_montgomery - 2011-02-13 1:10 AM Hi- I was reading really good things about First Endurance EFS drink & the EFS shot. What is your opinion? Have you tried them? Joan, It's very good for electrolyte replacement, I used it for a while. The problem with me is the very, very strong salty-sweet taste. If you can deal with that it's a great product. Make sure you try it before St. George though. How's your training going? I saw you didn't log anything last week, I hope it only means you just didn't write it down. Regards, Ernesto |
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Expert ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() | ![]() Ok the run data (I mean walk) is uploaded. Any tips on how to get my heart rate down while walking? Most of the time I have to almost stop walking to get it to go down. Tomorrow is a swim day. Tell me what you see on the HR and what to do next please. |
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