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2011-04-23 10:54 PM
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BbMoozer - 2011-04-23 10:50 PM thanx Jeff. Dang...snow is gone now. but I may just fill the tub with chilly water tomorrow if this is still hurting. I mean I figure I'm in good shape with all the running, cycling, swimming... but dang! guess my muscles need some work! LOL

Sooner is better-48 hours is the optimal window. I think the theory is blood will be forced deeper into the muscles speeding recovery and flushing of whatever waste. I was impressed and became a believer it has become a standard for me after long runs.



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2011-04-24 3:43 PM
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stevebradley - 2011-04-22 5:15 PM ALEX - Good stuff! It's a week out from New Paltz, and that's the BEST time to start feeling nervous. Far be it now than a sudden seige of nerves the night before or the morning of. You now have all those days to work it through, which mostly means identifying specific problem areas, and then systematically figuring out the appropriate strategies with which to deal with them. Sooooo.....any kind of clear ideas of exactly what is bringing on the nervousness? Quite literally, it can be anything and everything, and as with my days of treaching and thinking I had heard every excuse for not-done homework.......I am sure I have heard every reason for people's pre-race nerves! For my part, i still get nervous before races, and in one way or severl or many, i guess I've been nervous before every race. Anyhow, I can probably give you somne advice to tide you over between now and race day, and then a different approach to race-day nerves themselves. I will say, though, that many people lose their nervousness when they get to the race site and start feeling the vibe and digging the camaraderie. I will say this now and will reppeat it again, but plan on getting to the race site as early as possible. That way, you'll be in charge of how the next couple of hours go -- it'll be your choice of plum parking space, and ample time to either claim or find your transition spot, and beyond that you won't have to be in a line for body-marking --- or porta-potties! I just love getting myself all set up, and then either wandering around watching people, or yakking, or just sitting slightly away from the t-zone and getting into my own space. You'll be fine, Alex, i am sure; it's few people who let their nerves get the best of them. And if you haven't dumped your nervousness by the morning of, once you get moving you won't have much time to feel the least bit nervous. The task will be in front of you, and each stride or pedal stroke you take will have the import of working you that much closer to the finish. You'll have all that activity around you, and mostly you'll just give in to the mass flow of it. It'll be a blast!! All that said, though, let me know what's bothering you the most. I'll address it either from my own personal experience, or from what I have heard others say about the same problem as it affected them. Okay?

STEVE

I think my nervousness is just from not having done this before.  I did a 2 mile run/walk today to give myself the confidence that I can do this.  I am not worried about the bike part, just not blowing my legs up for the second run.  My hip on todays run was ok, a little sore when I finished but I don't think it is going to be a problem.  Just hoping for some decent weather as I am not comfortable riding when the roads are terribly wet... I just tend to slow down more than necessary.  

Anyhow... thanks for the support everyone!

Most of my training this week is centered around swimming.  I will do another run/walk Wednesday and a 10 mile bike on Tuesday and possibly Thursday but that will be it until Saturday!

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2011-04-25 4:30 AM
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Jeff- Nice private beach, where is that?

Alex - I agree with Steve, I just did my first tri race 2 weekends ago and my stomach was just in knots the morning of the race.  I arrived early so I would not be rushed and after I setup my transition area and started to walk around and talking with folks then I felt better.  You will be fine and since it's your first race just go out and have a great time, dont worrie about your time.  My goal for my first tri was to just finish the race, I did not care if I had to walk the entire run.  I just wanted to get the feel of the race atmosphere and know what to except for my true 1st tri which will be in June.  Have fun and dont forget to smile big for the camera.

I just found out last week that my sister in-laws cousin was hit by a car while she was riding her bike.  The person that hit her fled the scene.  She is in the hospital with a broken vertibrate and ankle. I dont know all the details as to what time of the day was she riding and if she had any lights on her bike.  I just cant believe that there are people out there that can hit someone with a car and just leave and not call for help.  About 6 months ago there was a high school boy running in the morning and he was hit by a car and they also left the scene, but he was not so lucky since he did not survive.  Yall keep safe out there.

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JEFF -

Yeah, where is that beach, and how come it's so ill-used? Is it a place you get to often, or can get to often....or is it in Yuba, OK?







2011-04-25 7:38 AM
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JEFF again -

As for Yuba, I have it on good authority that most people have never been there. Now that you've been, though, is it worth the price of admission?

The old Down East (Maine) joke from the inimitable "Bert and I" recordings is in a track called "Which way to Millinocket". There is much dithering befoe the punch line, which is "Well.......you can't get there from here" * Might that describe Yuba?

*It is rendered in that Down East dialect, which would become something like "Ya cain't get they-uh from he-uh."




2011-04-25 7:40 AM
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JEFF once more -

Nice brick, by the way! Also, did you and the dog and the chickens dodge the tornadoes successfully??



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SARAH -

Jeff covered most of the obvious ones, and at this stage, which is about three days now after you ached yourself.....well, you're pretty much past the quick recovery period!

Protein is good for immediate muscle recovery, when nothing is really wrong. And the window for that is very small, usually within the first 60 minutes post-workout or post-race.

When something happens such as happened to you, there is the window Jeff mentioned, and also his ideas of ice of anti-inflams. Lots of people love compression gear now, but for more full-body problems it's hard (and expensive!) to get mummified in compresssion clothing. Every couple of lifting session after a layoff will usualyy render me quite sore, and mostly I just ride it through. All my lifting is upper-body, so that means at least I can run and bike when my shoulders/lats/deltoids/pecs/triceps are hurtin'. Those are days in which I stay away from the pool!

Did you get in either the run or ride yesterday?



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GEORGE -

Great account of the long ride, and it sounded like you executed it close to perfection. I can't find any obvious loopholes in the nutrition, and it certainly worked well for you which is all that really counts.

I might have mentioned this before, but many iron-distance athletes CRAVE Snickers bars during those events. I think I'm right in remembering that the Snickers people have formulated a product that tastes like a Snickers, but holds up better to something like melting. I personally think that would take away from the taste of a regular Snickers, but it would maybe taste good enough. I've looked at Snickers ingredients before, and it sure satisfies the needs of endurance people in terms of carbs (all that sugar!) and proteins (all those peanuts!). Plus it just tastes good, not at all redolent of "energy" stuff.

A hard lesson for me to learn is to stop IMMEDIATELY after going over glass and spinn both tires against my hand in order to dislodge any shards that might have stuck in the tire, but not yet penetrated it. Like everyone, i hate interrupting a sweet ride to do this, but it falls into the category of "don't avoid taking a minute to do something if it might save you 15 minutes later on". Most of my bike routes are not glass-strewn, so I shouldn't be lazy about stopping and ding a glass-check. But if the roads you were on have glass all along the shoulder, then I guess it makes sense to just carry on and hope for the best.

Every so often the forums will have stories from people in the south about how nasty drivers can be towards cyclists, with NC, SC, and GA seeming to have the worst reputations. That is pretty appalling.......but what really scares me now is how many people text while driving. The law up here is no texting, but all that has done is get people doing it down at the bottom of the steering wheel....and where are their eyes then? At least before the law they were texting up at the top of the wheel, and their eyes had a chance of seeing a cyclist peripherally. I mean, I'm in favor of this new law and all......at least until I get hit by a texting motorist.

Up here, motorists are hugely defernetial to cyclists in general, giving as wide a berth as possible for them. That mostly makes me feel good, but the universal obsession with texting nowadays does have a but more nervous.

Finally, give the aerobars a good, long trial. Do them in small doses, maybe just a minute or two at a time, a few times each ride. It might help you to let your shoulders kind of sink into them, or just sink, period. Also, relaxing from the forearms up can help, as some people get a "death's grip" on them which translates up to the shoulders. A tried and true trick for me when fatigue starts to come on is to "drape" my wrists and hands along/over the ends of the bars, so my weight is about 97% on my high forearms, rsting on the elbow pads. Try to let those pads do a good bit of the work for you.


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ALEX -

Yes, that plan to keep Friday free is a smart one, and as for Thursday -- keep in a fair ways under maximum effort.

Did you see my post to George a few weeks ago about varying your cycling mecahnics over the final mile or two of the bike leg? Let me know if you didn't, and I will gladly re-do it again. It's just a decent way to get your legs more ready for the run to follow.

In a duathlon, too, remember that it all (energy rationing, that is) starts with the first run. Many people do that one at full-bore.....and then feel it the rest of the race. In triathlons it's a but different, as only hard-kickers pay a big price for over-exerting on the swim, but in a du it is all aboit the lower legs. So, take the first run at a moderate pace, something a click or two below what you feel is a more ideally "competitive" pace.

Let em know if you saw those cycling hints, okay?


2011-04-25 10:49 AM
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stevebradley - 2011-04-25 7:32 AM JEFF - Yeah, where is that beach, and how come it's so ill-used? Is it a place you get to often, or can get to often....or is it in Yuba, OK?

Ah the beauty of "framing" your picture. That is a small public swimming beach on the Oklahoma side looking across into Texas at lake Texoma. The dam is to the left. As you can probably tell there are the remnants of storms from the night before and it was Easter morning. That may explain the lack of people. Some families began to appear around the picnic, playground area as I left. This beach doesn't get the crowds the others do, it is a little out of the way and not one of the "party" beaches. It is an easy drive from my house across the Dam easier than Yuba.

We had more storms that night, I was on my long run when it turned nasty-thunder some lightening strikes and driving rain. My wife came by and made me get in the car and go home around mile 8.

Very tired this morning and a slight ear ache-skipped my morning swim, may give 24hr a go tonight.



2011-04-25 10:53 AM
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IMMEDIATELY after going over glass and spinn both tires against my hand in order to dislodge any shards that might have stuck in the tire, but not yet penetrated it. Like everyone, i hate interrupting a sweet ride to do this, but it falls into the category of "don't avoid taking a minute to do something if it might save you 15 minutes later on". Most of my bike routes are not glass-strewn, so I shouldn't be lazy about stopping and ding a glass-check. But if the roads you were on have glass all along the shoulder, then I guess it makes sense to just carry on and hope for the best. 

I wear gloves on training rides, with a little practice you can use the palm of your glove to clear the tire while riding-front and rear-just make sure your hand is ahead of the brake calipers not behind it. I love my specialized armadillos-nearly $50 each but almost bullet proof.

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stevebradley - 2011-04-25 7:40 AM JEFF once more - Nice brick, by the way! Also, did you and the dog and the chickens dodge the tornadoes successfully??

The first round of storms-full of sound and fury but ultimately nothing much but some tree branches. worse to our south. Then Sunday early afternoon McCalister Oklahoma had some tornadoes and Sunday evening and into this morning we got some good storms. The dog stayed outside last night-wet, but she was staring at us through the bedroom window this morning.

I noticed on my swim Sunday morning the storms washed more sand toward shore making it much shallower further out.

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stevebradley - 2011-04-25 7:38 AM JEFF again - As for Yuba, I have it on good authority that most people have never been there. Now that you've been, though, is it worth the price of admission? The old Down East (Maine) joke from the inimitable "Bert and I" recordings is in a track called "Which way to Millinocket". There is much dithering befoe the punch line, which is "Well.......you can't get there from here" * Might that describe Yuba? *It is rendered in that Down East dialect, which would become something like "Ya cain't get they-uh from he-uh."

That might. I didn't see much there but a TXI plant-excavating sand from the river I suppose. Long bridge on Hwy 78 but lightly traveled. I pushed  on through some other little towns Ravena Tx, Yuba, Kemp, Cartwright, Hendrix, Achille, and on. These are very poor towns with median incomes in the area of $14000 a year. Generally friendly people-be prepared to wave, but be prepared to be gouged at their stores if you stop. Not many stores out there though, yes I like the route-be self sufficient. The river and her communities is always interesting.

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stevebradley - 2011-04-25 9:18 AM ALEX - Yes, that plan to keep Friday free is a smart one, and as for Thursday -- keep in a fair ways under maximum effort. Did you see my post to George a few weeks ago about varying your cycling mecahnics over the final mile or two of the bike leg? Let me know if you didn't, and I will gladly re-do it again. It's just a decent way to get your legs more ready for the run to follow. In a duathlon, too, remember that it all (energy rationing, that is) starts with the first run. Many people do that one at full-bore.....and then feel it the rest of the race. In triathlons it's a but different, as only hard-kickers pay a big price for over-exerting on the swim, but in a du it is all aboit the lower legs. So, take the first run at a moderate pace, something a click or two below what you feel is a more ideally "competitive" pace. Let em know if you saw those cycling hints, okay?

STEVE - I think I did see them but will go back an hunt them down so I can feel a little more prepared...

Thanks!

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Alex, here is the post that Steve is talking about.

--- ON THE LAST MILE OR HALF-MILE, VERY YOUR RIDING POSITION AND GEARING A FEW TIMES. What do I mean by that? It's simple. Shiift into a tougher gearing, say big ring and one of your smaller cogs, and get out of the saddle and grind for about 10-15 seconds. The return to the gearing your were in and stay there for about 30 seconds. Then go to an easier gearing, small ring and maybe your third largest cog, and spin in that for about 10-15 seconds. The repeat that sequence, maybe even twice more. What this will help do is get your running muscles activated, somthing they haven't really been doing since the race began. The faster spins will help with your foot speed on the run, while the out-of-saddle part in the harder gearing will stretch out your hamstrings some and also wake-up your quads and calves; done right, these efforts almost feel delicious!



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gdsemiller - 2011-04-25 3:02 PM

Alex, here is the post that Steve is talking about.

--- ON THE LAST MILE OR HALF-MILE, VERY YOUR RIDING POSITION AND GEARING A FEW TIMES. What do I mean by that? It's simple. Shiift into a tougher gearing, say big ring and one of your smaller cogs, and get out of the saddle and grind for about 10-15 seconds. The return to the gearing your were in and stay there for about 30 seconds. Then go to an easier gearing, small ring and maybe your third largest cog, and spin in that for about 10-15 seconds. The repeat that sequence, maybe even twice more. What this will help do is get your running muscles activated, somthing they haven't really been doing since the race began. The faster spins will help with your foot speed on the run, while the out-of-saddle part in the harder gearing will stretch out your hamstrings some and also wake-up your quads and calves; done right, these efforts almost feel delicious!

Thanks!  I don't have to dig for it now!

2011-04-26 4:02 AM
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Question on bike tubes.  I had that flat last saturday and I used the co2 cartridge to fill the tube up.  Once I filled the tube it was pretty hard, I used all the air in the co2.  Last night I was going to put air in my tubes for my ride this morning and the front tube was fine, but the back tube seemed to have about 1/2 to 3/4 air.  I do not have a spare tube with me so I was nervous on going biking this morning.  Questions, is it possible to have a slow leak in a tube, I just thought that with the amount of air pressure it would not be possible, it would just blow a hole in the tube if there was a small leak.  2nd question, does the co2 not hold long in a tube?  I'm just trying to figure out if I just need to replace the tube that is on the back tire or not.  This morning the tube seems to be holding in the air that I put in last night.  Going today at lunch to buy 2 more tubes for backup.
2011-04-26 4:05 AM
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1 BT question.  The number of post under your name, what does that count? I thought it was everytime you post something in the forum.  Today mine says 154 but the other day it also says 154 and I have posted several in between those times. Thanks have a great day
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GEORGE -

I owe you big-time for ferreting out the post about the last mile of cycling! Not only did it save me having to try and find it myself, but seeing as how I would've failed at that, you saved me the time it would've taken to re-write it. And THAT saved me the potential embarassment of writing something entirely different, and you thinking "What the *#*!@?!? That wasn't what he said to ME!!"

ANYHOW, you saved me something or other; much obliged!






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GEORGE again -

I have wondered that as well, about the posts. My own feeling is that I've posted well over 7089 times, and if posts were dollars and the BT forums were a bank, I'd be a cozy millionaire!

My only thought is that after a while they get added into the total. Maybe picture one of those old-time money guys, wearing a big long visor and entering figures into an adding machine. he's at it forever it seems, and finally he decides enough is enough, hits the "total" buttton......and the big cumulative number comes up. Yeah?

I would also like to know the ranking of "titles" we get to go with our posts. I've been at "champion" for a while, and I'm ready to move to the next level....but I don't know what it is! I mean, what could it be? "Super-Hero"? "Demi-god"? "Patron Saint"? "Grand Exalted Life-form"??

HEY! I just looked at your total and you're now at 155! Congratulations! You've been upgraded!!




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GEORGE once more -

Good questions!

Yes, it is very easy for a tube to have a verrrrry sloooooooow leeeeeeeaaaaaak. This can often happen around the valve, but for that matter it can happen when there is just the tiniest pinprick of hole (and you can't even really call it that) in the tube itself.

Other possibilities are:
a.) You didn't use the maximum of air in the cartridge
b.) You used a cartridge that had lost some air already (if that's possible)
c.) You used a 12oz cartidge instead of a 16oz.

For (a), it is easy to ease up on the trigger finger some, mostly just to avoid having the tube explode or something. The feeling is that the tie is now roch-solid, so it's time to stop. Might that have been lurking in the back of your mind?

For (c), I think the smaller cartridges will fill to about 80psi (maybe it's 90?)-- enough to get you home, or at least further down the road. My tires can accommodate tubes that can accommodate 120psi, so if I want a complete fill I need the 16oz ones.

So, if you did a little bit a (a) with a (c), and then calculate in the added mileage of the ride and/or a slow leak somewhere, then it's easy to see how your your pressure could be down now.

Being the squirrely coward I am, if I suspect a slow leak I either run crying to my bike shop, or just replace the tube, questions unasked.


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ALEX -

I hope the post that George found will help you with the execution of the last bit of the bike. HOWEVER, don't feel compelled to follow what is there, and by all means don't get agitated if you meant to follow it and then forgot. Honest and true, for as long as I have preached that and believe it to be wise and valuable, I still often neglect to do it myself. My monkey-mind just goes off on another tangent and I'm working on a different strategy.....and before I know it, there's the dismount line! Oops!

Another bit of advice (have I siad this to you before??) is to take the first couple minutes of your second run to re-find your running legs. For most people this will happen sooner if they shorten their stride from the moment they head out on the run. Whatever your normal or "comfort" stride is, shorten it. It might also help if you increase your foot turnover just a bit while shortening your stride....and then after a few minutes of this when you're feeling more together running-wise, graduate back to what seems natural to you.

In a way, it is trading one unnatural for another, but the above way is something you have some control over, as opposed to when it is body-enforced on you by your legs not wanting to work and just feeling weird and wobbly and clunky.

Finally, try those changes in your next run -- especially the one about increasing your foot turnover. Shortening the stride should be pretty easy, and you might find that your footspeed follows along with it. But if it doesn't, or just feels really awkward when you try it alone, then don't aim to include it in the race. SO! At the du, definitely shorten the stride heading out on the second run....but only try to increase footspeed if it feels really natural to you on your next run. And for both of these, just do 'em at the start of the 2nd run before reverting to your more natural mechanics.





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JEFF -

Forced to get in the car, were you? Bad Jeff! BAD!

A few years ago I stopped wearing gloves on training rides, so I'm not about to attempt a "flying tire-rub" bare-handed! In fact, I'm even a bit leery of doing the rub with bare hands and the bike standing still, as I figure a nice upright shard could tear a strip in the heel of my hand as I spin the wheel. Similarly, i get nervous having to do the "blind" finger check of the inside of the tire* before I put in the new tube, figuring there's some really sharp object in there ready to have its way with my finger.

I feel kind of bad about having retired my cycling gloves, which were incredibly skanky and torn but served me really well from '00 until maybe it was '06 that I stopped using them. I retired them from racing about '03, but dutifully kept using them for training for another few years.

My big crash two years ago did a number on me in other areas, but damage to my hands was minimal. But that was just becasue I was going too fast anfd it happened too fast to give me any time to get my hands down; my right arm and leg and hip took over those duties. But I acknowledge that with lesser crashes, or at least slower crashes, that gloves can save a lot of hand damage.


*Makes me think of snorkelers or scuba divers who go into caves in coral reefs that just MIGHT have a moray eel inisde.......



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JEFF again -

Just curious --- in the bottom photo, how far is it to (a) the further shore, and (b) the point of land off to the right? And for the latter, between the shallows on the beach and the shallows approaching that point, how much actually swimming can you do without fingers scratching at the bottom?

Great spots, especially if not well used. You're very fortunate to have that option, along with good cycling routs, so close to home!


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