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 Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Threadtasr - 2010-04-19 12:45 PM I am at; 482.50 Mi - 24h 04m 37s For me it’s not really about the mileage but the intensity that I am doing now. Yeah coupled with all this wind Central PA is getting its real intense, but hey its make us stronger right? This is really in prep for my first BIG race, EagleMan so I am really hitting these miles hard. I don't care what you say or think James, if you put together your best Swim, Bike and Run at Eagleman; you got a shot at a Kona Slot before you even step foot in New York. I did Eagleman last year. Your swim is gonna rock as 2/3rds of the swim (at least last year) was with the current; the pancake flat Bike course is going to feel like a 25-mile cruise for you; and the even flatter Run course is going to feel like a Sunday afternoon 10k. Taper for Eagleman, go in with some confidence, and I bet you Place VERY high in your AG. I think Fred (who I raced with last year) will whole-heartedly agree. |
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Expert 770    Long Island, NY | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread I'm looking at 6:30 on the bike. 50/34 in the front and either 12/25 or 12/27 out back. I'll do fine with the 25, but mentally I may feel like having the 27 as a bailout gear even if I don't use it. The ego has been checked and I've shelved the 53/39 for now.
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| Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread thelunchbox - 2010-04-19 5:12 PM The ego has been checked and I've shelved the 53/39 for now.
You have an ego, Charlie? Really?! lol!! |
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Pro 4608 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread I'm going to slightly disagree with the need for a triple if you're a 6:30+ rider. I am (did IMWI in 6:43) and didn't need a triple, I ride a compact with a 12/27 and find it to be perfectly comfortable. Edited by LazyMarathoner 2010-04-19 4:48 PM |
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| Veteran 215 | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread great post Fred! I was starting to wonder about this stuff. I have a 53/39 on the front and 12/25 on the back and I plan on being over 6:30. So here comes the dumb question....... I can get these replaced? I would be ok with a triple up front. What is the price range for something like this? |
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Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread lesleyann - 2010-04-19 6:03 PM great post Fred! I was starting to wonder about this stuff. I have a 53/39 on the front and 12/25 on the back and I plan on being over 6:30. So here comes the dumb question....... I can get these replaced? I would be ok with a triple up front. What is the price range for something like this? I did 7:52 at LP and needed more gears than I had. I rode a compact with 11-28 cassette. I looked into putting a triple on my tri bike for Canada the following year but it doesn't work well on my frame and doesn't work on many tri bike frames. What I opted to do was cheaper..I have compacts on all my bikes so I bought a mountain bike XT derailuer and a specialty cassette that was 11-34 and used that. It allowed me to keep my power in check and under my FTP on the hills and my hill power max and made a huge difference as I had a 11-28 when I did LP so I had in essence 6 gears easier for Canada. It took a bit of swallowing my pride but it worked well and allowed me to ride smarter and keep power more level. Everyone passed me going up hills but it was better for my legs as I could spin up them. If you read the ST thread it is all about FTP and your power to weight ratio. Women tend to have lower FTP then men and depends on your body weight which again varies. What kind of bike do you have? Options to consider: You could switch to triple perhaps and change rear cassette which means I think you need a new bottom bracket too You could switch to a compact and change rear cassette to 11-28 You could switch to a compact and change rear cassette and derailuer to bigger MTB type cassette New Ultegra compact crank is about $300 if you pay retail. You might be better off shopping around on line with some helpful friends to make sure you are getting the right parts and having your shop install them. I didn't need a compact so I think just the cassette and derailuer with labor was under $200..add in new crank you are looking at about $400 or so depending on what level parts you buy or if you buy off brand like FSA. |
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| Veteran 215 | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread thanks kathy! I have a QR tequilo. I will have to talk it over with the guy at the LBS and see what options would work best for me without incurring too much expense. i am a pretty weak biker so I use all the help I can get! |
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| Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread PennState - 2010-04-19 5:47 PM Dream Chaser - 2010-04-19 5:43 PM Bob what gearing are you riding at LP and what time goal?thelunchbox - 2010-04-19 5:12 PM The ego has been checked and I've shelved the 53/39 for now.
You have an ego, Charlie? Really?! lol!! 3-Ring, sub 8 hours. |
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| Expert 770 Long Island, NY | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Dream Chaser - 2010-04-19 5:43 PM thelunchbox - 2010-04-19 5:12 PM The ego has been checked and I've shelved the 53/39 for now.
You have an ego, Charlie? Really?! lol!! Yes, though I keep it well hidden. My awesomeness is just too much for some to comprehend. I used to brandish it, but you can only blow so many minds before it gets old. See, I just did it again. It's going back under wraps... |
| 2010-04-19 6:01 PM in reply to: #2337428 |
| Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Oh, almost forgot: I thought of an awesome, totally unoriginal way they can make the Swim Start safer. Color-coded caps according to your swim pace. Very simply, on Race Day (or via e-mail prior) everyone must show a Swim time within the last 2 years for HIM or IM event, and according to that time, within 10 to 15 second intervals, you get a colored cap. Then on Race morning, a few guys on surfboards make sure that everyone with a cap is correctly in line. This way the 1:20's, 1:30's, 1:40's and so on are all together. I'm thinking of sending the idea to the Race Director. Thumbs up or down? |
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| Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread PennState - 2010-04-19 7:08 PM Most people actually use bike gearing that came on the bike as stock, which is usually 53/39 with a 12/25 cassette. I bet that is the most common gearing at LP this year, but not many people are suited to ride that setup. I have had one reasonable run at LP (3:5x) and one much worse relating to injury. I am still figuring this stuff out, but I like the challenge of learning and improving. One day I will own this course  One thing folks rarely consider when buying a new bike is what gearing do you want. Swap it them out at time you buy your new bike and it is usually zero dollars just changing this cassette for that one or this crank for that. Change it later you are buying a second set of parts. I think women in general know less about bikes and gearing and don't know to ask. Bike shop guys are often roadies who have big ego issue with type of gearing they use and don't encourage folks to swap out parts or have easier gearing. Over last couple years more women specific road bikes are coming with compact cranks and 11-28 as more standard gearing and to me this makes sense. It all comes down to power and weight especially on hilly course and it is what it is. No need to fight it but figure out gearing that will work for you. Triple will probably cost you the most as you will need new bottom bracket, front derailuer and I think different bar end shifters plus the crank and may not work on your bike depending on the frame. Bike shop will most likely call your bike mfg to find out. I emailed Kuota to find out if triple would work on my K Factor. I spoke to 4 or 5 bike shops before we came up with the less expensive way to tweak up my bike with MTB derailuer and cassette. Now Sram MTB top line comes in 10 speed MTB derailuer and cassettes but more than what I paid. One goofy issue is the MTB derailuer I used was 9 speed and my cassette and whole rest of my bike was 10 speed. Shifting wasn't perfect but it worked. The new Sram MTB stuff would be better but it would be much more money. Edited by KathyG 2010-04-19 6:18 PM |
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| Pro 4608 Brooklyn, NY | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread PennState - 2010-04-19 6:25 PM LazyMarathoner - 2010-04-19 5:47 PM I'm going to slightly disagree with the need for a triple if you're a 6:30+ rider. I am (did IMWI in 6:43) and didn't need a triple, I ride a compact with a 12/27 and find it to be perfectly comfortable. It's fine to disagree as its just my opinion The gearing discussion relates to being able to pull off a decent run as well. Since you were injured last year you don't really know what your run could have been like off the bike had you been healthy. *my* argument is that you or anyone will run better off the bike with proper gearing. If you are aiming for 6:30 then my thought is compact with a 27. Or a triple. Just my opinions, not trying to cause trouble I wasn't implying trouble at all Just noting that after doing the LP course a couple times, Horribly Hilly Hundreds and IMWI I felt the compact and 27 is ok for slower cyclists like me. I think some people might be scared by that suggested list. I couldn't agree more about proper gearing. I just bought a road bike and it has a standard and a 12/25. I barely made it up a hill I've ridden a million times on the tri bike. The compact is on the way! If that's not enough I'll add the 27 as well. No sense in struggling if you don't have to. |
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Master 1471 Dunedin | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Dream Chaser - 2010-04-19 7:01 PM Thumbs up or down? Sounds reasonable to me! We had to do it for the Philly marathon, so why not do it for a swim? |
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| Extreme Veteran 398 Sea Isle City, NJ | Subject: RE: Ironman USA Lake Placid : Official Thread Dream Chaser - 2010-04-19 7:01 PM Oh, almost forgot: I thought of an awesome, totally unoriginal way they can make the Swim Start safer. Color-coded caps according to your swim pace. Very simply, on Race Day (or via e-mail prior) everyone must show a Swim time within the last 2 years for HIM or IM event, and according to that time, within 10 to 15 second intervals, you get a colored cap. Then on Race morning, a few guys on surfboards make sure that everyone with a cap is correctly in line. This way the 1:20's, 1:30's, 1:40's and so on are all together. I'm thinking of sending the idea to the Race Director. Thumbs up or down? DC...I like in theory, but maybe not in practicallity. The one thing I have noticed is the swim is probably the hardest part to measure for both a race director and the USAT official. I have swum HIMs as low as 29min and has high as 35min in the same season. Current, chop, and distance issues (along with the length of distance from swim exit to the transition area which can be huge in some events and short in others) can cause significant differences. Someone's 40 min swim in one event could be the same as a 30 min swim for someone else in a different event. Kind of like comparing the bike at Eagleman to the bike at Black Bear and using that to seed people. Just a thought. |
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