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tripletmom01 - 2010-01-13 6:57 AM

So are you agreeing with me or disagreeing?? 

1stTimeTri - 2010-01-12 10:07 AM

Recommended for distance/endurance sports.  This is what my coach had me doing.  EVERYBODY will get frustrated thinking they have to run fast all the time.  Not so true.  It takes time to develop this base training to allow the body to become more EFFICIENT and burn FAT for fuel.

f18guy - 2010-01-14 5:09 PM



The reason for me posting my previous was trying to get someone to help me calculate my zones.
There was a previous post by TripleteMom saying something to the effect of "do a 5k-10k as hard as you can. Take your average HR over the course, and that will be your LT. From the LT number one can calculate your zones."

I am well aware that running hard and fast for every workout is not a smart method of training nor does it yield the results we are trying to attain for the goals we are pursuing.

Cheers

sstucker - 2010-01-14 6:06 PM

.....reason for me posting my previous was trying to get someone to help me calculate my zones.
There was a previous post by TripleteMom saying something to the effect of "do a 5k-10k as hard as you can. Take your average HR over the course, and that will be your LT. From the LT number one can calculate your zones."

I am well aware that running hard and fast for every workout is not a smart method of training nor does it yield the results we are trying to attain for the goals we are pursuing.

Cheers

sstucker - 2010-01-14 6:21 PM Go to D3's website, they have an excel spreadsheet tool. http://www.d3multisport.com/blog/index.php/calculating-heart-rate-z... Just in case you don't have Excel: (I copied and pasted from the tool) Factor: Zone 1 0.660 Low 116 0.847 High 149 Factor: Zone 2 0.853 Low 150 0.907 High 160 Factor: Zone 3 0.913 Low 161 0.953 High 168 Factor: Zone 4 0.960 Low 169 0.993 High 175 Factor: Zone 5 1.000 Low 176 1.020 High 180 Factor: Zone 5+ 1.027 Low 181 1.053 High 185 Factor: Zone 5++ 1.060 Low 187 1.107 High 195

sstucker - 2010-01-15 7:19 AM

Hey MLJ, at this morning swim I did what you recommended and I believe it made a difference. I didn't have the fully pumped feel in my upper arms like Wednesday night. I didn't wiggle my fingers every time but I was able to relax my arms on recovery. Also, on Wednesday's workout I did use my lats cause I felt them this morning, they were a little sore and so were my tris.

MLJ - 2010-01-15 9:26 AM Good work. You don't need to shake your hands all the time, just every once in a while to make sure you're relaxing your lower arms on the recovery. I'll have to check your logs and see what you're doing in the workouts, as I think I'm running out of drills to suggest without seeing you swim.

MLJ - 2010-01-15 10:26 AM

Good work. You don't need to shake your hands all the time, just every once in a while to make sure you're relaxing your lower arms on the recovery. I'll have to check your logs and see what you're doing in the workouts, as I think I'm running out of drills to suggest without seeing you swim.

sstucker - 2010-01-15 9:54 AMFor my swim I'm following the ZERO to 1650 in Six Weeks plan that someone posted on here (can't rememeber who, maybe Tammy). Site: http://ruthkazez.com/SwimWorkouts/ZeroTo1mile.htmlTodayI did day 1 of week two. I need a base before I start thinking about to many drills, which I was doing last summer when I started my swim workout. I found myself thinking too much and trying to do too much. I was doing this with all three sports, overthinking things when I should be concentrating on building my foundation. So this year I decided that I would perform the basics, only adding one piece of the puzzle at a time. So for first few weeks of swim concentrate on staying long with full strokes. So untill I can stay long for the entire workout I would prefer to not add anymore. So far during my workouts the things I notice that tend to break when trying to stay long is I sometimes bend my knees, I think that's when I'm getting tired. So if you have any drills that would help me stay long pass it on.While trying to get some work done, I was thinking maybe I'm not using my legs correctly. I know my feet (ankles) should be loose but I believe I'm using my knee joints to perform the kicking. Should I be keeping legs straight? I'm thinking maybe that's why I occasionaly have atendency to over bend my knees (causing drag) when I'm tired.Thanks

sstucker - 2010-01-15 9:54 AMFor my swim I'm following the ZERO to 1650 in Six Weeks plan that someone posted on here (can't rememeber who, maybe Tammy). Site: http://ruthkazez.com/SwimWorkouts/ZeroTo1mile.htmlTodayI did day 1 of week two. I need a base before I start thinking about to many drills, which I was doing last summer when I started my swim workout. I found myself thinking too much and trying to do too much. I was doing this with all three sports, overthinking things when I should be concentrating on building my foundation. So this year I decided that I would perform the basics, only adding one piece of the puzzle at a time. So for first few weeks of swim concentrate on staying long with full strokes. So untill I can stay long for the entire workout I would prefer to not add anymore. So far during my workouts the things I notice that tend to break when trying to stay long is I sometimes bend my knees, I think that's when I'm getting tired. So if you have any drills that would help me stay long pass it on.While trying to get some work done, I was thinking maybe I'm not using my legs correctly. I know my feet (ankles) should be loose but I believe I'm using my knee joints to perform the kicking. Should I be keeping legs straight? I'm thinking maybe that's why I occasionaly have atendency to over bend my knees (causing drag) when I'm tired.Thanks

MLJ - 2010-01-19 9:16 AM

Sylvain-
Sorry was out of town this weekend, but to answer your question, your legs should be staying fairly straight on your kicks. Generally, when you're kicking down, you bend your knees a little bit (15 degrees?), and on the upkick, your legs should straighten out. Try to make sure your feet and ankles are relaxed, that might help with your flexibility a bit. Are you trying a 2-beat kick or a 6-beat kick? 2 beat is one kick per arm pull, 6 beat is 3 kicks per arm pull.
-Matt

MLJ - 2010-01-19 1:22 PM

Each time you kick down with a leg, that's a "beat". So, when I swim distance, I typically kick one time with each arm pull - a two beat kick. When I'm sprinting or trying to go faster, I'll kick 3 times (smaller, faster kicks) with each arm pull - a 6 beat kick. It needs to be an odd number because the kicking is what helps your body rotate. However, some folks naturally will do a 6-beat kick all the time. It's not necessarily bad either way, but you might be able to rest your legs for the bike/run if you can just rely on your arms primarily in the swim, and use your legs sparingly with an easy 2-beat kick.

I'm not sure how to answer your question about kicking on your side. When I'm swimming, I don't ever really feel like I'm "on my side". I feel like my torso is twisting/rotating, but that my legs don't rotate as much, so I never get that "on my side" feel. I wouldn't think too much about the timing of your kick unless you're just feeling like it's really awkward and messing up your stroke. You're probably doing the timing fine naturally.

One other thing you should consider working into your swim workouts is a bit of pulling with a pull buoy. The idea is to keep yourself from kicking by holding the buoy between your legs, but at the same time getting some buoyancy to keep your legs from sinking. This will allow you to focus on your arms and arm technique, and if you're pushing it, will help you work you arms hard. Don't get too reliant on it though - it can make things easier for some folks and they end up always using a buoy.

dboy25 - 2010-01-19 4:38 PM I'm thinking about getting the Triathlete's Training Bible as well as the Total Immersion book.  Any thoughts?

MLJ - 2010-01-20 7:59 AM With respect to the Total Immersion book, I think the TI stroke that they try to teach you is Ok for getting someone who is either a terrible swimmer or a terrified swimmer into the pool and making progress. However, I think at the end of the day, the TI stroke won't get you any better than middle of the pack in terms of speed, maybe a comfortable middle of the pack. If that sounds like a good fit for what you're looking for, it's OK. However, I think most folks who don't have major phobias to deal with would be better off learning a more traditional freestyle. Just my two cents.

chasingkona - 2010-01-20 10:32 AM

I got the triathletes training bible over the winter and I'll give you my two cents.

If you want to build your own program over the course of the year or understand how plans are derived it is good. There are a handful of workouts for each discipline in the appendix but there is not much. It shows you alot about HR zones and when to train in each. Gives you an understanding of how recovery works, nutrition, how to balance everything, etc. I am not using verbatim but instead taking what I can from it and use my own experiences and knowledge to miz into the fold. But I do plan on writing my own training schedule this year for IMWI and a feel alot of it will come from the book along with Tammy here and of course what worked and didn't work for me.

I will say one of the huge benefits of the book is that Joe Friel the author tells you to build a plan that works for you. He does this by having you establish goals, find limiters to those goals and then work alot of those limiters throughout the year. Here on BT you have programs that are already written out and may not expose your weakness or help identify what you need to strengthen before race day. To me this part is huge as I want to be as well rounded as I can for IMWI.