Oriolepwr and QuincyF's Magical Mys-tri Tour "The Sequel" -On Tour!! (Page 11)

fitmomma2010 - 2012-04-28 11:39 PM Mike, Glad to see you here. I thought I was going crazy when I saw the last post was by ransick but it was for this group. I kept looking at it then I finally realized duh, he's joining this group too or commenting on one of our crazy posts- lol. We've got some awesome peeps here. Shelly

TLakatos1259 - 2012-04-29 3:58 PM

As Frankenstein's monster once said: "I'M ALIVE, I'M ALIVE, I'M AAAALLLLLIIIIIIIVVVVVVVEEEEEEEE!

I'm not dead yet!

Race report is up.  The ORCA LIVES TO TRI ANOTHER DAY.

Came in last.  But I finished.

ransick - 2012-04-29 10:30 PM

 

Congrats!  Last is way ahead of the 99.9% of people that didn't start.  Nice job!  Headed over to your RR next. 

oriolepwr - 2012-04-29 9:51 PM

 

Tom-  Now you are a tri veteran!!    Proud of ya big bro!    first of many???      WHO LET THE DOGS OUT?   Who, who, who, who, who?   ha!  

  Read your report.  But now tell us what you think.   Was it different  then you thought?    what would you tell another first timer?

Oh yeah and Tom  the contest which will be outlined tomorrow has already begun!!    Both you and Sarah are in the lead as you raced today! 

TLakatos1259 - 2012-04-30 9:21 AM

I actually think it was what I would hope for as a first tri. The pool was great and run very well.  With more swimming I know I will get much better.  I need to build up more stamina for OWS, especially a bay area or ocean.  I grew up swimming in lakes and not worried about the swim, just the chaos with people around me.  I did watch a few collisions with people passing in the pool. 

Bike; If it was a tad warmer, the headwind would not have bothered me as much.  Especially with my toes getting cold the last 3 miles.  Leg warmers helped, but kept sliding down and that slowed me down when I needed to pull them up. But I was still glad I had them yesterday.  I did take them off for the run!  Glad I had my winter cycling gloves too! 

Run; I think I transitioned well for my first time. Hanged up bike, removed helmet and cap and shoes.  I added speed laces to my Ghost's and I like them a lot.  It got my shoes on fast and snug.  I left my long sleeve jersey on until about half way, then tied it around my waist. ( I wanted that FULL ORCA EFFECT WHEN I CROSSED THE LINE - LOL)

Conclusion: I wish I pushed harder on the run, but when I look back at my pace I was exactly the same as my training has been. So I guess that was a good thing.  I think I was fairly well prepared: had a GU before I left transition for the run. I liked getting there early, especially as a first timer. I watched others set up and checked out some really cool bikes.

I am so looking forward to next race in May and registered for the NJ State Tri in July because an official told me it was getting close to selling out.  It's 10 miles from home and didn't want to miss it. 

Sarah73 - 2012-04-30 10:38 AM

Shelly was right! I had my first ever panic attack on the swim. As a psychiatrist I commonly treat people with panic attacks who always ask if I've ever experienced one. When I say no, they usually say, 'well, you just can't understand it unless you've been through it'. I have now!!

I even went out and swam about 100 yards right before the race, in the lake, to get used to it, and felt great! Then, when we started, and I got kicked in the face...I completely freaked out!! I started hyperventilating, my heart rate shot up, and I just layed on my back saying, out loud, 'calm down, you're not going to die, just calm down!" I almost called a boat over, but ended up doing some crazy combination of side stroke, doggie paddle, and back stroke. I just couldn't put my face back in the water! I ended going from about a 12 minute pool 600 yards to over 20 minutes in the lake. Then when I finally made it out, I couldn't walk straight! I was falling to the side, and couldn't even think about running to transition!! I don't know how I even made it not being able to walk a straight line!

I don't have a race report out, yet, as the official results aren't posted, but the rest of the race went pretty well. When I finally stopped falling over, and got on the bike, I did the 15 miles in about 17.5 MPH and the 5 K in about 8 minute miles. The whole thing lasted about 1:40 - and I felt pretty good at the end. I'm just soooo frustrated about the swim.

I feel like I need to get back in, but I am so nervous about going back into the lake!! Even just thinking about swimming in the lake again gives me butterflies, and I start to feel a little panicky again. I need some good advice from you seasoned triathletes!! Should I try swimming in the pool in the wetsuit? I think the wetsuit had a lot to do with my feeling that I couldn't breathe, but I also think if I didn't have it I still would have panicked, and I would not have been able to float, and would have had to quit. Help!!

oriolepwr - 2012-04-30 1:24 PM

First:  You did it!!!   feel great about that!  And you didn't quit after getting kicked in the face, and the panic attack.    Then you biked well (especially for someone with limited bike experience)  and ran well.   So feel good!

Thank you, Dave. The further out from the race I get, the better I feel about it.

Second:   Before this event you were not experienced.   Now you know.  So now you can zone in on what you need to work on!   How cool is that?    So this is where all of this tri stuff becomes MORE interesting.     

Third:   Tri suits are supposed to be tight  but not restrict your breathing.   Absolutely its possible that some of your "panic" is justified a bit by not  being able to breathe fully.  

I think you might be right about that. It might have been a bit too tight. 

  I did my first OWS at Kansas 70.3  in a wetsuit that was too tight.  I had never worn one before so how could I know it was too tight?   I realized I was  at something like 75% of my breathing capacity.   How silly was it for me to try my first  OWS in my first wetsuit  at a 70.3??  lol   I always have to learn things the hard way I suppose.      Maybe its the "viking" way.      

That is really amazing. I really don't know that I could have made it much further that 600 yards.

I know I've mentioned this before.   I used to shy away from contact in a tri.    Its really different than pool swim where I was nearly always alone in the lane.    So I would start at the rear left side and "try" to avoid the contact.     It was not until in my mind I decided   "SCREW IT"   I will make contact  and not worry about it.  I will EXPECT it.  

if there will be contact  I will be the one to make it.   I began to aggressively "draft" in the swim.    Now when I see feet ahead of me in the water, I try and catch up and purposely touch their feet.   Yes I admit it.   So I'm trying to contact in my mind.  see?      I use my arms/shoulders to protect my head and swim more "catch up drill" and glide less in defense.    I mean I can't use my speed to avoid others as I'm slow in the water.     But now I don't feel like its triathlon unless I was hacked, kicked or whatever during the swim.    So its a mentality thing.   consult your inner viking.     Having a chronic achilles issue, I'm more afraid of getting whacked on it as its sort of in a defenseless position  than I am anything else. 

SO what to do?  

"consult inner viking and start liking contact"

in the pool hop in the BUSIEST lane.   Swim with your husband,  tell him to grab you and pass you in the lane.  ( I watch my girls swim team practice    EIGHT kids in the lane  EIGHT!  yeah bumped, kicked all the time.) 

That's what my husband told me to do. He said he was going to swim in the lane next to me and jump on me unexpectedly to get me used to it! If he knows what's good for him...he won't do it!

try on another (bigger) wet suit.  

Some issues just cannot be resolved until you are forced to face them.    I was also like you in that I was always afraid that a Tri would not be wet suit legal  and I'd have to do it without one.  (seems like every race has that will it be or will it not be at the right water temp to make it legal)      Eventually  two of my events ended up not being legal and I had to race without the suit.    one was an oly the other was last year  Muncie 70.3    It was not that big of a deal to not have the suit.   So after that I was like  OK I'm over that   just tell me do i get to use it or not   I don't care either way.

I will get there!! I now know where my fears are, and I just have to face them and over 'em.

TLakatos1259 - 2012-04-30 1:30 PM

Sarah,

I feel bad for you, I will wonder how I will react in my first OWS?  Let alone one in the ocean!  I did mark a race in Delaware for mid October that is a 400 yd ocean.  I hope I'll be ready by then.

You really hammered the bike and run and that should make you feel better.  I'm already thinking of what to do different and I'm sure you are too.

My initial thinking is my first time I will wait a few seconds before jumping in behind everyone else.  I'm thinking: He/she who swims in less traffic, will keep foot out of mouth.

 

Sarah73 - 2012-04-30 10:38 AM

Shelly was right! I had my first ever panic attack on the swim. As a psychiatrist I commonly treat people with panic attacks who always ask if I've ever experienced one. When I say no, they usually say, 'well, you just can't understand it unless you've been through it'. I have now!!

I even went out and swam about 100 yards right before the race, in the lake, to get used to it, and felt great! Then, when we started, and I got kicked in the face...I completely freaked out!! I started hyperventilating, my heart rate shot up, and I just layed on my back saying, out loud, 'calm down, you're not going to die, just calm down!" I almost called a boat over, but ended up doing some crazy combination of side stroke, doggie paddle, and back stroke. I just couldn't put my face back in the water! I ended going from about a 12 minute pool 600 yards to over 20 minutes in the lake. Then when I finally made it out, I couldn't walk straight! I was falling to the side, and couldn't even think about running to transition!! I don't know how I even made it not being able to walk a straight line!

I don't have a race report out, yet, as the official results aren't posted, but the rest of the race went pretty well. When I finally stopped falling over, and got on the bike, I did the 15 miles in about 17.5 MPH and the 5 K in about 8 minute miles. The whole thing lasted about 1:40 - and I felt pretty good at the end. I'm just soooo frustrated about the swim.

I feel like I need to get back in, but I am so nervous about going back into the lake!! Even just thinking about swimming in the lake again gives me butterflies, and I start to feel a little panicky again. I need some good advice from you seasoned triathletes!! Should I try swimming in the pool in the wetsuit? I think the wetsuit had a lot to do with my feeling that I couldn't breathe, but I also think if I didn't have it I still would have panicked, and I would not have been able to float, and would have had to quit. Help!!

Sarah73 - 2012-04-30 10:38 AM

Shelly was right! I had my first ever panic attack on the swim. As a psychiatrist I commonly treat people with panic attacks who always ask if I've ever experienced one. When I say no, they usually say, 'well, you just can't understand it unless you've been through it'. I have now!!

I even went out and swam about 100 yards right before the race, in the lake, to get used to it, and felt great! Then, when we started, and I got kicked in the face...I completely freaked out!! I started hyperventilating, my heart rate shot up, and I just layed on my back saying, out loud, 'calm down, you're not going to die, just calm down!" I almost called a boat over, but ended up doing some crazy combination of side stroke, doggie paddle, and back stroke. I just couldn't put my face back in the water! I ended going from about a 12 minute pool 600 yards to over 20 minutes in the lake. Then when I finally made it out, I couldn't walk straight! I was falling to the side, and couldn't even think about running to transition!! I don't know how I even made it not being able to walk a straight line!

I don't have a race report out, yet, as the official results aren't posted, but the rest of the race went pretty well. When I finally stopped falling over, and got on the bike, I did the 15 miles in about 17.5 MPH and the 5 K in about 8 minute miles. The whole thing lasted about 1:40 - and I felt pretty good at the end. I'm just soooo frustrated about the swim.

I feel like I need to get back in, but I am so nervous about going back into the lake!! Even just thinking about swimming in the lake again gives me butterflies, and I start to feel a little panicky again. I need some good advice from you seasoned triathletes!! Should I try swimming in the pool in the wetsuit? I think the wetsuit had a lot to do with my feeling that I couldn't breathe, but I also think if I didn't have it I still would have panicked, and I would not have been able to float, and would have had to quit. Help!!

TLakatos1259 - 2012-04-30 12:43 PM

I just signed up to volunteer for the NYC triathlon.  I think Dave mentioned this as a great way to watch others.  I also get to race in 2013, I still have to pay - but I skip the lottery process, so cool.

Today's question:  Preference on wetsuit, sleeves or no sleeves? and why / why not

peterflagg - 2012-04-30 8:07 PM

Hey everyone! I am bouncing over here to give a little update. For those of you that do not know me I was in the last group that Oriolepwr and Quincy did. Well this weekend I did my first duathlon. I do enjoy that I completed and did some awesomeness on the runs but blew up on the bike. My first run was 32:18 for the 5k, my 20 mile bike ride was 1:44 (I hated the hills!!!!), and then killed it on the next 5k at 29:32. I was afraid of finishing last so that motivated me. I just wanted to say thanks for Quincy and Oriolepwr assistance and guidance. Listen to them. Of course I need to work on the biking more. I want my time to be around 1 hr.

 

Thanks again guys and gals!

ransick - 2012-04-30 9:10 PM

 

Nice job continuing on after the panic attack!  That shows huge mental toughness which is more important than physical toughness when things don't go well.  

fitmomma2010 - 2012-04-30 11:28 PM Sarah, You did it - YAAAY! And if it makes you feel any better, my finishing time on my first tri was almost the exact same as yours except that I only had to swim 400m- lol. You did awesome sticking it out and then hammered the bike and run and placed first in your age group to boot! That is fabulous. Just imagine how fast you'll be when you get your swim issues worked out. I really think the biggest issue is just more OWS practice. My second tri was easier than my first and I was 30sec per 100 yds faster. Next like Dave already said is making sure that the wetsuit isn't too tight. It may or may not be, but if it is, that will definitely make it harder to breath. If the fit is right, then it's just adjusting to swimming in it. The biggest thing to me is that you've proven that you've the got the mental toughness to stick it out. That will get you much farther in your training and improvements than just about anything else. Anyways, GREAT JOB! Shelly

oriolepwr - 2012-04-30 10:04 PM

Contest!!!

OK  I think it would be fun for us to combine a lot of stuff we are working on into "EL CONCURSO"  (The contest)

We will combine monitoring our resting heart rates with consistent training,  racing and weight loss.   We update the scoring weekly.   At the end of the mentoring period, we see who has the most points.    

The winner receives a package of semi-fabulous  prizes that you may treasure for the rest of your tri-life.   now keep in mind at a garage sale these items might be worth like $10-$15  so don't get TOO excited!  But the thrill of victory will be yours. 

The reality is I don't have this all worked out and am looking for help to complete how it goes.  we need to get it figured out by the end of this week I think.

Help me out here guys, it wont be completely fair, but it can be fun anyhow.   Hopefully its motivating, and we will track it weekly and post results.  At the end date   (end of July?)  we announce the winner.      I'm out of time tonight   but will add more to this over the next few days.   SO what should we add, adjust, modify, any thoughts are appreciated.

Resting heart rate.-  You monitor this every morning   5x per week = 1 point  

Why???   this tells you  where your body is in terms of recovery.   The more rested you are the lower your heart rate will go till it hits its low point.    We don't care WHAT your number is.   You are tracking this for your own info.    I'm just saying its part of the contest cause it tells you much about your recovery. 

I hope you will come to value RHR as a good tool in your training.        Best would be if this info was posted on your daily training blog.           

Take this before you get up in the AM.    I use a Blood pressure machine I got from Walgreen's  I used to log my BP every day along with the RHR  but you can just take your pulse however you want to do it.  just be sure its at a consistent time in the AM and before you drink your COFFEE!        it will get lower  the fitter you are.    That is fun to track.

Weight-  We all seem to want to lose weight.    Roughly  1 pound of excess fat loss = 2 seconds faster per mile on the run

We are all diff shapes and sizes in the group.   We will post our beginning weight and you gain points for every  1% of weight loss.  That is fair "enough"  right?

Training-  You get better via training.   still working this one out  as far as how to score it.   S/B/R  only  resistance training,  grass cutting etc  wont count.    there has to be some sort of minimum time with this I think.    More on this in the coming days.

Racing- you get big points for racing.  That's what we do, or are planning to do right??   (points to Tom and Sarah since it was just YESTERDAY that they raced)

Bonus points- stuff like volunteering for races etc.   Being active in the forum  (like 3 posts per week?)

 

 

 

mjh1975 - 2012-05-01 9:54 AM

Just a quick question/point. 

 

Does anyone experience a heart rate spike when running outdoors vs treadmill?  I noticed last night while out for a little 10 mile run that my hear rate spiked and stayed a smooth 169 (and felt great so it was not bad) vs a normal rate on a treadmill around 150.  I wonder if it is the outdoor air quality (pollen, and other allergies) vs that of controlled HVAC units?

Any thoughts.