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2011-05-18 8:40 PM
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Av8rTx - 2011-05-18 4:47 PM Ten mile rural run completed-1:50:00. I saw exactly 3 vehicles the entire run-all gravel roads. Virtually no hills. My ast run of significance before Sunday

Great time Jeff! Must of been peaceful out there



2011-05-18 9:21 PM
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Steve,

Oy, the Padres...they're back to sucking as we always expect them to. Good for your Sox for getting one of our better players. I'm not surprised he left. I probably would too in his position.

In all honesty, I probably could use a wake up, but not at 5 am. The main reason I went for a run today was to tire myself out enough so I would be able to fall asleep. Yes, the motivation is lacking these days. BUT, it's amazing what a little sea level and breeze at my back does for my pace. I was able to stay under 10' per mile the entire time, which I haven't been able to do for a while. Maybe I should come down to San Diego more often for some confidence boosts.

And the HIIT sessions are timed intervals alternating between sprints and rest (either walking or jogging, your choice). Sprints should be at 95% VO2 max, or 175% if you're super intense, even though I'm not sure that's even possible. The ones I did yesterday were the beginning of a 12-week conditioning program for the bigger, stronger members of the rugby team. The workhorses and not the points scorers.

Here's the workout:

10/50 x 2

10/30 x 4

10/15 x 4

30/30 x 2

In English, that means sprint 10 seconds, rest 50 seconds, repeat 2 times, etc. Do that 2 times a week for 4 weeks and then the quantity of intervals increases every 4 weeks. Same intervals, just more of them.

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2011-05-18 9:39 PM
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I have a hydration question for all y'all. At least I assume it's a hydration question, but it could also be a nutrition question. Or none of the above.

In general, like George, I'm always thirsty, even when I'm not doing anything physical. If I exercise, I wake up the next morning with a super dry mouth and sometimes even with hangover symptoms. Yeah, lame. I drink bottles upon bottles of water during the day and for the most part feel hydrated. But when I exercise, I almost always wake up feeling super dehydrated even if I drink during and after exercise. It's like I can't get enough water in me.

Anywhos, for the past couple of days I've noticed that when I get home after a run I crave pickled things, like sauerkraut and pickles. Can't get enough of them. Same thing happened when I got to California. I don't know if it's the dehydration and I just want something that's not water (I'm so sick of drinking water at this point!) or what.

My mom's a firm believer in the fact that cravings are usually indicative of something your body's lacking. So that's why I'm thinking that I have an electrolyte imbalance or something like that, since usually I just drink pure water to hydrate and nothing else.

I can't handle Gatorade or Powerade on a regular basis, even if it's watered down, so what else would you guys suggest for hydration? Both in daily life as well as exercising? And is my pickled craving due to the electrolytes I suspect, or could it be something else?

Kasia

P.S. I am most definitely not preggers, which was my friend's first suggestion. So we can rule that one out.



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2011-05-18 11:54 PM
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GEORGE -

I "plant" water bottles, as in the smallest normal size bottled-water bottle. Flats of these come on sale regularly, and when it's down to about 23 cents a bottle in a flat of 12 or 24, I buy it. I have a couple of long-run routes, and I will plant a bottle every 2km or so, usually at the base of a telephone pole or a traffic sign. I also plant only half-full bottles, just so it's easier to manage when I pick it up.

My technique is to grab and unscrew and drink without really breaking stride, then drop it maybe 20 yards further up the road, right at the grassy edge, and on the return I do it again and put in back where it started from. The downside to this is doing runs on hot days, or during a string of hot days, because then I get warm water. Yuck. But it's in those hot spells when I'll drive the route and replace the older bottles with new ones, som at least my first run will benefit from cooler water.

Kind of primitive overall, but I dislike fuel belts of any sort, so in that case what I do is about the only option.





2011-05-19 12:03 AM
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KASIA -

I eat neither sauerkraut nor pickles....but aren't both kind of salty? And if so, how much do you crave other salty things, even chips or pretzels?

I seem to remember this "problem" of yours last year, that is, your dislike of manufactured energy foods. Yes? So, if you are going without any energy drinks and gels, then you probably are hurting for electrolytes, with the two biggies being sodium and potassium. And without any steady input from drinks and gels, youa re probably also a bit deficient in carbohydrates -- and that's critical!

I'm sure I mentioned HEED to you last year, but if not ---- try HEED! To my palate it is not near as toxic-tasting as Gatorade and Powerade can be, just because those two are so heavily fortified with sugars. I can handle them to a point, and that point is reached when they are mixed (at races) too strong. Gack!

HEED always strikes me as very mild, and becasue it comes as a powder it can be mixed to whatever strength works for you. It coems in big tubs and one-bottle-worth packets, so try to find the latter (most tri and bike stores carry it) and play around. I think there are four flavors now (Lemon-Lime, Mandarin Orange, Subtle Melon, and Subtle Strawberry), and all work for my palate and my energy levels.

Did I mention HEED to you last year? Just curious!





2011-05-19 3:38 AM
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Thanks everyone on the water bottle questions.  Thanks Johanne on the link, I might try one of those.  I like the bottles with the strap so Im not having to grip and hold a bottle.  Ive just heard a lot of negative things about fuel belts and one being when you have water in them the weight with all the sloshing around can get to you.  Again thanks to everyone.

Kasia - Craving pickles?? Hummm are you also craving Ice Cream??? Congrats!!!!!!!!!!

I agree with Steve, I love the heed.. Its not that sweet drink that you get with gatorade and the flavor is very very mild. 



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Johanna,

Did you get to go to the ToC yesterday? I watched the recap last night... Sierra rd WOW that looks like some kind of climb.

2011-05-19 9:55 AM
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ckallpoints - 2011-05-19 7:44 AM

Johanna,

Did you get to go to the ToC yesterday? I watched the recap last night... Sierra rd WOW that looks like some kind of climb.

No, I didn't make it up there but I heard there was quite a crowd! Sierra is a mega climb. We've had rain the last few days and yesterday was finally dry so they had a good day.

2011-05-19 10:07 AM
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Kasia,

I agree, it sounds with your salty food cravings that you're missing something in your diet. I'm a HEED fan too. I mix it with CarboPro for bike nutrition and it's easy to get down.

This year I'm trying something new. My niece is being sponsored by this company, Recovery e21. She gave me a sample pack to try and I was sold. It's an algae based electrolyte supplement that you take 2 a day and an additional 2 after every hour of big workouts or races. I take the additional ones only on long runs and long bikes. I'm not usually one to get on a bandwagon for stuff but I'm sold on this. It's totally helped with recovery and I seldom get crampy on long workouts. If you are interested, their website is http://blog.recoverye21.com/ You can get a 20% discount using this code: mollymc

Steve,

Those Sharks are killing me!

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2011-05-19 10:58 AM
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gdsemiller - 2011-05-18 3:07 PM

Ok all of you long distance runners, what do you take with you for fluids on the long runs.  I know you are not carrying a water bottle that goes on the bike, or are you??  I always need something to drink.  Does anyone watch Survivor?? well if you do, I'm like Phillip (only in the case about being thirsty, not crazy).  In the episode where he could not pronounce Francesca's name and he said he has a medical condition where his mouth is always dry.  Well that is me, but I dont think its a medical condition, I just need a lot of water.  So I was wondering on the long runs, do you just take cash with you and stop off at the gas station and buy a bottle water? I seen those fuel belts and thought about buying one and putting water in them, but I dont know if I will like running with something like that around me.

Lori - Great job on the run. You should be very proud of yourself to run that kinda distance.  I need to come out and get training lessons from you and Johanne since yall are the long distance runners. 

Thanks George!

I am a big fan of the Amphipod products (use a small handheld for medium runs and the larger one for long runs):

http://www.amphipod.com/products/hydration/bottles-handhelds/handhelds

The bottles are shaped to fit your hand.  The strap is adjustable.  I also have the thermal cover which eliminates gripping and slipping!  The pocket version is great for holding gels, keys, money, salt tabs, etc.

I tried a fuel belt and didn't like having something around my waist. 

2011-05-19 10:59 AM
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Av8rTx - 2011-05-18 6:47 PM Ten mile rural run completed-1:50:00. I saw exactly 3 vehicles the entire run-all gravel roads. Virtually no hills. My ast run of significance before Sunday

Nice run Jeff!  I am sure it was a lot warmer for you than it was for my long run.



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stevebradley - 2011-05-18 7:01 AM LORI -  Soooo.....what is left between now and Madison? Was unday the longest of the long, and now it's just scaling it back down and settling into a sweet little taper? Sounds like a plan to me!

I have another 1 hour and 50 min run on the schedule for this weekend.  Also have a 2 hour 30 min bike followed by a 30 min brick run.  Hopefully the taper starts on Monday!

The Madison half marathon is mostly a training/pace practice run.  My "A" half marathon race isn't until the end of October.  I hope to break 2 hours in October!

2011-05-19 4:56 PM
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I have been rated, not by the motion picture association but by the USAT: 1267th of 1520 age group. They listed one race twice-I don't know why or if that effects the rating.

I don't know what this all means

2011-05-19 5:10 PM
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Av8rTx - 2011-05-19 2:56 PM

I have been rated, not by the motion picture association but by the USAT: 1267th of 1520 age group. They listed one race twice-I don't know why or if that effects the rating.

I don't know what this all means

I'm not sure what it means either? My ranking was 843/970 and my score was 57.98509

Steve will know, right Steve?

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MOJOISTAS!

I was away all day yesterday, and will be again. today until late tonight. See you then! (At some point soon I will explain the USAT rankings system. I don't fully understand all of it (such as the "Pacesetters", but enough so that I love it lots!)













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JEFF -

K.C.-bound yet?



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stevebradley - 2011-05-20 5:42 AM JEFF - K.C.-bound yet?

Will be leaving here, near Wichita, around noon. Rainy T storms

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ok..question for those with tri bike -

If you rode a road bike prior to a tri bike, did it take you a while to get used to the gear/brake set up? And at least for me, it all has messed up my balance or center of gravity. It is frustrating and scary!

And if you had aero bars on a road bike, did the tri bike set up ache a bit in the shoulders like you never experienced?

Ok...a couple of questions instead of one.

I went out today for like 2 miles and drove way out of town so I would not have to deal with sharper turns...but there were no shoulders to ride on and I just felt too unwieldy in aero. I am waiting on a stem that will make my fit better but dang... figured I could last longer. 

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Steve and Johanne,

It sounds like it is a salt thing because both pickles and sauerkraut are super salty. I guess that's the Polish in me telling me to eat more sodium. Btw, I always crave pretzels and chips, that's just the fatty me that I always have to tell to shut up.

STEVE, I still do dislike gels and supplements but have taken to eating Shot Bloks on bike rides. My runs are not long enough to require nutrition during them so I now have to remember to drink something special after I get back. I don't think you mentioned HEED last year, although I remember your saying something about Hammer products because I've definitely tried their gels.

Anywhos, I picked up a packet of HEED at the bike shop here in California. A side point, I really am spoiled in Boulder. I have 3 bike shops within walking distance of me, but here in San Diego I had to drive 10 miles to the closest one. Unacceptable!

I have yet to try it because I haven't run since Wednesday and thus not needed it, but today I'm going out again so I'll give it a shot then. The guy at the LBS said the lemon-lime and melon flavors were the mildest so we'll see how that goes. I also picked up one of their recovery packets since it has the same amount of sodium and potassium as HEED but also has 10 g of protein. And since for running I'll be drinking this after I'm done, I may as well get the recovery aspect of it as well. If I like it of course.

JOHANNE, I'm going to try the mix you suggested of CarboPro for the bike ride. And also the Recovery e21. I think I need the electrolyte supplements on a daily basis too so this sounds like my kind of thing. Thanks for the coupon code!

Kasia

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Things work out in the most wonderful of ways. The sprint tri I was planning on running tomorrow (the one I didn't sign up for because I didn't have time to train during rugby season) essentially got rained out and has now become a duathlon.

And by rained out I mean that it's been raining for 2+ weeks straight in Boulder and the E. Coli levels in the reservoir they were going to use were at quadruple the safe levels so no go on the swim. And if I haven't said it enough, I hate running. So good thing I decided not to sign up and went home to hang out with my parents instead.

Kasia



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GANG!

Wellllllll....I'm gearing up to spend some time here after a few days overcommitted elsewhere (all good, but very exhausting), but for now I have to go do my part with dinner preps. (There is no rest for the wicked!)

I did a sprint duathlon (2km - 23.8km - 5km) this morning, and it went quite well (in terms of performance; injuries/sorenesses...not so well). Here's the preliminary results:

R1 - 8:38 (4:19/km, 7:12/mile; 16/44 o.a.)
T1 - 1:15
B - 40:09 (35.5kmh, 21.6mph; 8/44 o.a.)
T2 - 1:35
R2 - 22:27 (4:30/km, 7:22/mile; 12/44 o.a.)

1/1 - M60-64
10/44 - overall

Maybe a race report will follow?? Yeah, I know -- I'm now two weeks late with the OTHER race report! I honestly will try to do this one in a timely fashion; for true!


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Steve, great job on the race.

Jeff Good luck on your race, so is it this weekend or next?

Well it's official.  I signed up with Team In Training to raise money and race in the Nations Tri on Sept 11th.  Here is my fundraising link.  Please Please forward this link to as many family and friends that you can.  Thank you so so much.   http://pages.teamintraining.org/al/nattri11/gmiller7iv

Went and did a 42.4 mile bike ride this morning.  Time of ride was 2hrs 38min and avg speed was 16.7.  Had a real good ride.

Question on training. I found a 20 week oly training on BT.  Im starting in on like week 3 since the Nations is less than 20 weeks, but what it has me doing in week 3 or 4 is a little less than what I have been doing, so I feel I should be ok.  Question is my long bike ride is on Sat and if it says to bike 120 minutes, an I do more like 180 minutes or do I need to stick to the schedule.

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KASIA -

The bike shop guy is brilliant -- those two flavors are the mildest, IMHO. I even give the ultimate nod to melon; see what he says about THAT!

Recoverite has a slightly odder taste to it, due to the whey, but it's palatable. I hope it works for you!

I seem to remember you and Clif Blocks, and in the nifty way the worls works, we are polar opposites -- I like gels, and dislike blocks and beans and the other "candy" ones (I'm right and you're wrong!!!!). Seriously, though, bocks and beans were made just for the legions of people like you, who find gels gaggilicious at best. At least you've got somehting that works for you.

Well done at not siging up for that race. See, you knew what you wer doing all along!


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Sarah -

Yes and yes. Definitely yes on the first one, not quite so yessy on the second one. Does that help?

For the first one, in time you will get your balance and center of gravity attuned to the new position. You'll also realize how seldom you need to go the brakes quickly, and that having the brakes "out there" while your hands are "in there" isn't much of a problem at all.

And, your competence will improve dramatically, I am sure. Don't despair yet, and don't flaggelate yourself for not lasting as long as you had hoped; it really is a very significant change. I'm guessing that within 3 or 4 rides you'll be far more comfortable and far less scared by the new (sweet!) position. Keep the faith!!


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