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2009-07-28 1:44 PM
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Mine is not on the top of anyone's list either ... I'm sure there's going to be some crazy machinery there!!

I'm planning on racking mine on Friday - probably later though.  I'm a little nervous about getting tire pressure correct - but I'm sure someone can help me if I'm really stuck.


2009-07-28 2:28 PM
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Silver_wlf - 2009-07-28 2:44 PM

Mine is not on the top of anyone's list either ... I'm sure there's going to be some crazy machinery there!!

I'm planning on racking mine on Friday - probably later though.  I'm a little nervous about getting tire pressure correct - but I'm sure someone can help me if I'm really stuck.


I plan to rack my bike and bring my tire pump with me in the morning, and have my daughter take it back to the truck when done with it. It'll give her something to do while I'm getting prepared. So I at least will have my pump should someone need it.

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2009-07-28 3:27 PM
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Silver_wlf - 2009-07-28 2:44 PM Mine is not on the top of anyone's list either ... I'm sure there's going to be some crazy machinery there!!

I'm planning on racking mine on Friday - probably later though.  I'm a little nervous about getting tire pressure correct - but I'm sure someone can help me if I'm really stuck.
I plan to rack my bike and bring my tire pump with me in the morning, and have my daughter take it back to the truck when done with it. It'll give her something to do while I'm getting prepared. So I at least will have my pump should someone need it. Curt


I plan on bringing my pump as well.  I will just put it in my transition bag and leave it next to my bike.
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Silver_wlf - 2009-07-28 2:44 PM Mine is not on the top of anyone's list either ... I'm sure there's going to be some crazy machinery there!!



True story:  In 2006, I lost the wristband taking my wetsuit off.  When I went to leave, the person at the transition exit asked to see my band.  I explained when it came off and suggested that if I wanted to steal a bike, it wouldn't be a 20-year-old Raleigh.  He let me leave. 

I'm planning on racking mine on Friday - probably later though.  I'm a little nervous about getting tire pressure correct - but I'm sure someone can help me if I'm really stuck.
I plan to rack my bike and bring my tire pump with me in the morning, and have my daughter take it back to the truck when done with it. It'll give her something to do while I'm getting prepared. So I at least will have my pump should someone need it. Curt


I plan on bringing my pump as well.  I will just put it in my transition bag and leave it next to my bike.

There may not be room next to your bike.  In the past, they wanted transition bags etc. over near the fence. 

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I was wondering about the whole pump issue.  I usually need to add some air every time I ride so I may just rack my bike Sat. morning but I really like the  idea of not having to deal with it.  Do a lot of people bring their own pumps?

Also, I'm thinking about riding the run course Thursday afternoon when I get into town.

2009-07-28 9:12 PM
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I brought my pump the last 3 years and did not have trouble leaving it beside my bike. They put stickers on the rack with your number, and whichever side of the rack your sticker is facing that is the side your front wheel goes on. Because of this alternating arrangement with the bikes there is usually some room behind your rear wheel for transitition stuff as long is it does not stick out into the aisle.



2009-07-28 9:18 PM
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I'll have my pump too - it just makes me a little nervous - I'm always worried about over inflating... (I have a gauge... I'm just a worrier.)
2009-07-28 9:24 PM
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Why do people feel racking their bike on Sat. AM is a big deal? You need to go into transition to set-up, why is it harder to take your bike in with you? I just did it at IMRI 70.3 with no issues.
2009-07-28 10:10 PM
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jonmetz - 2009-07-28 9:24 PM Why do people feel racking their bike on Sat. AM is a big deal? You need to go into transition to set-up, why is it harder to take your bike in with you? I just did it at IMRI 70.3 with no issues.


it may be just me but the less I have to think about race morning the less anxious I am.  If anything goes wrong with putting the bike in transition friday evening you've got plenty of time to fix it, if something goes wrong putting it in saturday AM - you still may have time but there is that anxiety.

I guess it's like packing the night before a long trip.  Everything I can do to make my morning streamlined I will make sure to do.
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jtaddei - 2009-07-28 11:10 PM
jonmetz - 2009-07-28 9:24 PM Why do people feel racking their bike on Sat. AM is a big deal? You need to go into transition to set-up, why is it harder to take your bike in with you? I just did it at IMRI 70.3 with no issues.


it may be just me but the less I have to think about race morning the less anxious I am.  If anything goes wrong with putting the bike in transition friday evening you've got plenty of time to fix it, if something goes wrong putting it in saturday AM - you still may have time but there is that anxiety.

I guess it's like packing the night before a long trip.  Everything I can do to make my morning streamlined I will make sure to do.
I see your point but you could make the same argument that when you show up on Sat. AM something may need to be fixed or adjusted. I guess it is just what each individual is comfortable with...there is no right or wrong way.
2009-07-28 10:34 PM
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jonmetz - 2009-07-28 9:24 PM Why do people feel racking their bike on Sat. AM is a big deal? You need to go into transition to set-up, why is it harder to take your bike in with you? I just did it at IMRI 70.3 with no issues.

In my experience Steelhead is not the best organized race, it is a large race with long lineups for everything, and an awkward transition area (at least it was the last 3 years, I have not yet seen the changes that they have made). Are you going to try and drive to transition to drop your bike off in the morning? The lineups will be really nasty if they let you line up on the road and drop off the bike, and the parking lots were all used for transition areas last year. Unless they have changed things a lot there is no parking at transition and you could only stop at the side of the road to drop off a bike. Are you going to try and ride your bike from the parking lots where you are allowed to park your car? How do you carry everything? When I got off the shuttle bus from the parking lot last year it was completely dark and there were no lights until you got to the floodlit area in transition. I don't think that you could ride that area without a light on your bike.

Trying to get my bike into transition last year on the Friday there were huge lineups because of all the people who were being stopped because they did not have all of their numbers on their bikes in the proper places, or they did not have their wrist bracelets on to get into transition. I don't want to deal with that at 5:00 am.

I have never done a 70.3 or IM where you did not have to rack the day before, and Steelhead does not seem to me like a good place to try it.



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DaveH - 2009-07-28 10:34 PM

jonmetz - 2009-07-28 9:24 PM Why do people feel racking their bike on Sat. AM is a big deal? You need to go into transition to set-up, why is it harder to take your bike in with you? I just did it at IMRI 70.3 with no issues.

In my experience Steelhead is not the best organized race, it is a large race with long lineups for everything, and an awkward transition area (at least it was the last 3 years, I have not yet seen the changes that they have made). Are you going to try and drive to transition to drop your bike off in the morning? The lineups will be really nasty if they let you line up on the road and drop off the bike, and the parking lots were all used for transition areas last year. Unless they have changed things a lot there is no parking at transition and you could only stop at the side of the road to drop off a bike. Are you going to try and ride your bike from the parking lots where you are allowed to park your car? How do you carry everything? When I got off the shuttle bus from the parking lot last year it was completely dark and there were no lights until you got to the floodlit area in transition. I don't think that you could ride that area without a light on your bike.

Trying to get my bike into transition last year on the Friday there were huge lineups because of all the people who were being stopped because they did not have all of their numbers on their bikes in the proper places, or they did not have their wrist bracelets on to get into transition. I don't want to deal with that at 5:00 am.

I have never done a 70.3 or IM where you did not have to rack the day before, and Steelhead does not seem to me like a good place to try it.



dave, I haven't seen the previous transitions but after seeing the new construction they've done to the park (doesn't even show up on google maps) and having it explained to my local friend, they have added A LOT of parking/pavement.  Looking at it from a triathlon standpoint though it will be kind of awkward.  There are seperate parking lots.  One right along the beach front (likely used for the finish line chute/home stretch) and then a narrow one that wraps around a dune near where the swim exit will be, and then up from that a larger wider spot where the majority of people will be.

It will be interesting to see how it's mapped.  I can ask my local friend to head out there and snap some pix, he said the IM 70.3 bus is already there and setting up.  Then again I see no point in going out and taking pictures of how it's set up when we will all be there in 3 FREAKIN DAYS!

edit: oh and more travelers triathlon OCD - call to confirm your reservations.  It's something I always do because of the fear someone messed up and there will be no room at the inn's around town after you don't have a room.

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jtaddei - 2009-07-28 10:41 PM
dave, I haven't seen the previous transitions but after seeing the new construction they've done to the park (doesn't even show up on google maps) and having it explained to my local friend, they have added A LOT of parking/pavement.  Looking at it from a triathlon standpoint though it will be kind of awkward.  There are seperate parking lots.  One right along the beach front (likely used for the finish line chute/home stretch) and then a narrow one that wraps around a dune near where the swim exit will be, and then up from that a larger wider spot where the majority of people will be.

Thanks, that kind of explains why they are allowing you to rack on Saturday as I don't think that it could have worked with the old layout. I can't picture where they put everything as the park is not that big and I heard that part of it was turned into a golf course. There was so little paved parking there before that they tried having the transition in a sandy field, but that was not a popular idea.

I see that the website still says that the transition area map will be available soon



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DaveH - 2009-07-28 11:34 PM

jonmetz - 2009-07-28 9:24 PM Why do people feel racking their bike on Sat. AM is a big deal? You need to go into transition to set-up, why is it harder to take your bike in with you? I just did it at IMRI 70.3 with no issues.

In my experience Steelhead is not the best organized race, it is a large race with long lineups for everything, and an awkward transition area (at least it was the last 3 years, I have not yet seen the changes that they have made). Are you going to try and drive to transition to drop your bike off in the morning? The lineups will be really nasty if they let you line up on the road and drop off the bike, and the parking lots were all used for transition areas last year. Unless they have changed things a lot there is no parking at transition and you could only stop at the side of the road to drop off a bike. Are you going to try and ride your bike from the parking lots where you are allowed to park your car? How do you carry everything? When I got off the shuttle bus from the parking lot last year it was completely dark and there were no lights until you got to the floodlit area in transition. I don't think that you could ride that area without a light on your bike.

Trying to get my bike into transition last year on the Friday there were huge lineups because of all the people who were being stopped because they did not have all of their numbers on their bikes in the proper places, or they did not have their wrist bracelets on to get into transition. I don't want to deal with that at 5:00 am.

I have never done a 70.3 or IM where you did not have to rack the day before, and Steelhead does not seem to me like a good place to try it.

If I decide to rack my Bike on Sat. AM, I will get dropped off at the entrance to the park (old transition area). Everything I need can be fit into a my transition bag. I am not advocating Sat. AM bike drop off...I just don't think it is a big of a deal as everyone seem to think. I will check things out on Friday and make my final decision of when to rack at that time.
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Last minute nutritional question. I have what I will consume but unsure of the amount. I have my calories burned per hour on both the bike and run. According to my test and my calculations I burn 960/660 (bike/run) per hour. Is there a general rule of thumb for replacing those calories? I cant see my trying to consume 960 calories per hour. Should I strive for a percentage of those calories? I would appreciate everyones opinion.

Yeah, this post is probably a result of some last minute uneasyness, and I cant seem to do any work today.

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mifiremedic - 2009-07-29 9:44 AM Last minute nutritional question. I have what I will consume but unsure of the amount. I have my calories burned per hour on both the bike and run. According to my test and my calculations I burn 960/660 (bike/run) per hour. Is there a general rule of thumb for replacing those calories? I cant see my trying to consume 960 calories per hour. Should I strive for a percentage of those calories? I would appreciate everyones opinion. Yeah, this post is probably a result of some last minute uneasyness, and I cant seem to do any work today. Curt


Most folks will tell you that your body can absorb around 300 calories per hour +/- some depending on the individual.  You are correct there is no way you could digest 960 per hour on the bike and 660 on the run. 

Your energy will come from stored glycogen etc., and you will supplement that with the 300 calories you consume every hour.  This is something you probably should have experimented with in training, but I would recommend 300 max calories per hour in your case.  If you try to take to much your digestive system will revolt or shut down, leading to a serious lack of energy/calorie intake.  This can lead to a serious BONK situation. 

Hope this helps.

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mifiremedic - 2009-07-29 9:44 AM Last minute nutritional question. I have what I will consume but unsure of the amount. I have my calories burned per hour on both the bike and run. According to my test and my calculations I burn 960/660 (bike/run) per hour. Is there a general rule of thumb for replacing those calories? I cant see my trying to consume 960 calories per hour. Should I strive for a percentage of those calories? I would appreciate everyones opinion. Yeah, this post is probably a result of some last minute uneasyness, and I cant seem to do any work today. Curt

I aim for a bottle of GEF (about 150 cal) an hour and a gel every 45 min (130 cal an hour), which gets me close to 300 cal an hour. Try to not to run too much of a calorie deficit on the bike as it is much easier to consume calories on the bike. On the run I try to do GEF at aid stations 1 and 2, gel and water at 3, then repeat.

At this point it is too late to safely change what you have been doing. It is better to do what you have done in training, even if it is not optimal, than to make a change at this point. If you take in more than your stomach can process, then your stomach won't empty and you will have a sloshy, burpy walk to the finish line

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Well I had a plan, but for some reason I found myself second geuessing it. The plan I had is very similar to the plans descibed above, and will stick with what I've been doing so far.

Thanks again

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Hope everyone is ready! 3 days to go. I'm getting a bit overwhelemed with the next few days leading up to the race, let alone the race itself. It dawned on me that the reason I'm taking friday off and heading there early is so I can relax a little and not have to run around getting ready. That said, I don't think I want to have a schedule of events that I have to make. So, I think I'm just going to head out there and play everything by ear. I'll probably also just eat at the expo. Hope this doesn't mess anyone up who was planning on metting for various activities.
Good luck everyone! Hope to see you out there.
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my wife told me that if I want her to go to the race on friday that I need to do some laundry for her (she's working a lot of hours).

I dunno if she was giving me an out or just making things difficult for me.

edit: Brad - I'm planning on playing a lot of things by ear as well.  I'll probably try to make the dinner, and if we haven't decided on a place by thursday night i'll PM my cell # to some folks in the know so that we can come.  I wanted to make a Beginnertriathlete.com poster but i'm not sure what i'd do with it.


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Anyone have a link to the est. start times for each swim waves? Or is there a confirmed time gap in between each wave?


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Anyone have a link to the est. start times for each swim waves? Or is there a confirmed time gap in between each wave?


I havent seen anything official, but thought I read something on the website or in the athlete guide that wave starts were every 5-7 minutes (I think).

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jtaddei - 2009-07-29 12:24 PM

my wife told me that if I want her to go to the race on friday that I need to do some laundry for her (she's working a lot of hours).

I dunno if she was giving me an out or just making things difficult for me.

edit: Brad - I'm planning on playing a lot of things by ear as well.  I'll probably try to make the dinner, and if we haven't decided on a place by thursday night i'll PM my cell # to some folks in the know so that we can come.  I wanted to make a Beginnertriathlete.com poster but i'm not sure what i'd do with it.


Maybe she was giving herself an out. ha ha

I doubt that I will swim friday, but might jump off the pieer to experience that before the big day. The main reason I dont want to swim is that I've already pakced my wetsuit, and dont want to mess with getting it dried. yeah, its an excuse.

I think it would be cool to get with some of you for a drive around the course and/or just to BS some. The only definite thing I have to do is attend a training session for the GPS tracking device I will wear Saturday so family and friends can follow me. Thats at 2pm.

Oh yeah, and I'm not getting any work done so decided to take tomorrow off as well. haha

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mifiremedic - 2009-07-29 9:44 AM Last minute nutritional question. I have what I will consume but unsure of the amount. I have my calories burned per hour on both the bike and run. According to my test and my calculations I burn 960/660 (bike/run) per hour. Is there a general rule of thumb for replacing those calories? I cant see my trying to consume 960 calories per hour. Should I strive for a percentage of those calories? I would appreciate everyones opinion. Yeah, this post is probably a result of some last minute uneasyness, and I cant seem to do any work today. Curt

For most people, their LT threshold on the bike is a little lower than it is on the run (which makes sense if you figure running uses arms, legs, and core a lot while cycling uses legs a lot, core some, and arms very little).  As such, I'd expect to burn fewer calories per hour riding than running.  The 660 for running is certainly in the range I'd expect.  Cycling maybe 10% lower. 

Start with a full tank, replentish as much as practical (probably 200-300 calories per hour while working out) and hold on as long as possible.  Yea, on a 6-hour race, you could be 1800 calories in deficit at the end, but proper nutrition during the race keeps blood sugar in a reasonable range.  Endurance sports is all about managing the deficit. 

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I know some plans have been discussed, what are the details for a meet-up Friday night for dinner? 

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