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 2011-06-18 2:08 PM in reply to: #3256772 |
Member 179  |  Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSEDSteve, Here is my plan that came from Beginner Tri. I am not sure it looks like enough training. The distances look kind of low. So if this is not a good plan maybe you know of a better one. I am not going to do anything about my foot yet except make an appointment with a podiatrist. But it is not bad enough to operate. Hope everyone is having a good weekend training and racing. I like to read all about it on Monday. I am just running and riding by myself this weekend. I kind of miss the aid stations. No one hands me a drink every mile. What's up with that? Ellen
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| 2011-06-19 6:50 AM in reply to: #3555647 |
Champion 10618  | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED ELLEN - I followed your link and juts got a series of calendar pages with nothing on them other than proposed race dates. This is probably me, being characteristically cyber-stupid. Does your plan have a designation, so if you told me what it was I could find it in the catalog of plans? Or, what do I need to click on in order to get details to appear. My kids tell me that everything on a computer can be found, and that every mistake can be undone.....but i don't believe that for a moment! Your foot plan sounds perfect. My had to get really bad before I made the decision to have the neuroma removed. I have no regrets about that, but in a perfect world it wou;d've resolved itself and I wouldn't've needed to get so tough with it. Bah. Funny comment about missing the aid stations. As for why there is no one there to hand up drinks to you.....I guess you don't have enough compromising information on enough people to warrant recruiting them to service your nutritional needs on your rides and runs. More's the pity! Right now I'm not doing any long runs, but when I do I usually stash store-bought water bottles at the base of strategic street signs -- places I can easily identify. Granted, it's not the same as having peole hand drinks to me (I have to bend down to fetch the bottle, even!!), but at least there is something there and I avoid getting parched at best and heat-exhausted at worst. Off to a couple or three Yoga classes today, with a run somewhere in the mix. I really wanted to do a swim, but my preferred Ottawa "swimming hole" (a length of the Rideau River) is taken over this weekend by Dragon Boat competitions. The nerve of them! |
| 2011-06-19 6:55 AM in reply to: #3555200 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED GEORGE - And BREATHE! Remember to BREATHE! Along with struggling to learn the language and attempt the poses, there's also the problem of breathing. You don't have to perfect the "Ujjiya" breath; just not holding your breath will help a lot! If you keep at it, it will fall into place for you in time. I actually think I'm beginning to get clever about what is required where and when, but it's taken me a while to get there (slow learner, i guess...). And this is with the massive crash-course I have undertaken, which is now at about 80 classes since March 13!!!! With each of those classes being ~90 minutes long, you'd maybe figure I would have shown more mastery by now, but......... |
| 2011-06-19 7:01 AM in reply to: #3555200 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED oops Edited by stevebradley 2011-06-19 7:06 AM |
| 2011-06-19 7:01 AM in reply to: #3555200 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED oops Edited by stevebradley 2011-06-19 7:03 AM |
| 2011-06-19 12:26 PM in reply to: #3256772 |
Veteran 283 New York | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED Well, the race is complete and I am sort of recovered. Don't yet have splits and didn't get my watch working correctly so have no idea what my times were. And I guess I really don't care too much about the times.. just completing each leg was good enough for now. The swim was a challenge, I still can't swim straight, and I swallow way too much air (and salt water for that matter). It was an 800 yrd swim but I probably same at least 900 yrds... didn't line up well and drifted a lot. Steve - need to work on that Popeye breathing. It was also a deep water start, something I had never heard of. but we "swam/wadded" out to the start buoy and started from there. Very strange... The shortness of breath that I experienced in my first swim happened again, I am going to try and get in some open water swim practice versus just racing in it maybe that will help. T1 was very slow, couldn't get out of my wetsuit and then couldn't get my jersey on... The bike was going really well, then I came across this guy who had a flat, as I am going by asked if he had everything he needed, he said yes but had no clue how to use any of it. He had a really nice Cervelo bike... He had the rear tire off, totally removed the tire skewer (luckily we found the one spring that had fallen off), had the whole tire off the rim and the old tube out but was dumbfounded as to what to do .... So 15 min later we were both off back on the road. I think that I am just too nice to do this whole "racing" thing... need to be more ruthless The run was ok, I probably walked half of it, which I was expecting since I haven't been able to run much at all with my knee. I think the clock said my overall time was 2:11 but will wait for the official times to know for sure. And... I was the last finisher... really bummed about that but someone has to be last right?!? I'll post my times when I get them... Hope everyone else had a good race! Alex |
(like that is really going to happen)| 2011-06-19 1:21 PM in reply to: #3256772 |
Veteran 663 Central Point | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED Well I did my first OWS with my wetsuit on Saturday and it was the absolute worst swim I have ever had. I couldn't get into any kind of rhythm couldn't seem to breath my chest felt constricted it was terrible. It was nice the people I went with were trainers and do the rescue for the swim at the race I'm doing. This has really gotten in my head and I'm doubting my ability. We'll see how it goes. |
| 2011-06-19 6:19 PM in reply to: #3555069 |
Veteran 142 Charlotte, NC | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED DAVID - Not crazy at all, and not even a little bit whacko. In fact, it is a great plan, almost perfectly timed. I think you have done the math parts correctly, both in terms of time between the H-M, and the distances you will do for Pinehurst and how they will meld into the distances required for the H-M. Steve, Pinehurst is definately going to be an "A" race for me since it is my first and only Oly of the season...so I'm definately feeling a little more comfortable signing up for the H-M in November. Everyone says it is a fun race and I have yet to do it so I would like to support the local cause! Thanks for the feedback....I'm in!!!! David |
| 2011-06-19 6:21 PM in reply to: #3555200 |
Veteran 142 Charlotte, NC | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED Had my 1st Yoga class last night and it was great. It felt good doing the long stretches. After training for 6 months and not really doing any long stretches, it felt good on the muscles. Only problem was I was not able to just relax since I was having to look around and see what everyone was doing because I did not understand yoga talk. I guess after a few classes I will pick up the new language and get to fully relax. David - It looks like we are heading down the same path. I also plan to run a half mary in November and then Im stongly looking at doing the Augusta 70.3 next year. George, That would be great to have a BT ally in my corner while down in Augusta next year!!!! Let's keep training and make it a goal! David |
| 2011-06-19 6:52 PM in reply to: #3256772 |
Veteran 283 New York | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED Well here are the ugly numbers... 157/157 start time 6:45:18 swim rank 133 swim time 20:46 t1 rank 148 t1 time 3:34 bike rank 152 bike time 57:01 t2 rank 115 t2 time 1:20 run rank 156 run time 42:55 Overall time 2:05:34 |
| 2011-06-19 9:07 PM in reply to: #3256772 |
Veteran 358 Taoyuan, Taiwan | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED Hey everyone... Well, no chance for a swim on Saturday (Family tourist obligations kept me busy until around 10pm) so my first OWS was during the race Sunday morning. I will follow this with a full race report, but here is the long and short of it. Swim - It was pretty awesome. I got beat up a bit, but managed to be one of the first people in my wave ( I was gonna go to the back, but when the first few waves hit the water, and 75% were breast stroking, I decided to go out in front) I passed lots of people from the waves in front and finished in around 37 minutes. Bike - I rocked it... my fasted training ride over 40km was at about 29.5 km/h... now this is in traffic, with stop lights etc, so I wasn't sure what to expect in a race. I finished the bike in about 1:05.... which blew my expectations outta the water... Run - With transition times (and I forgot to start my start watch at the beginning of the swim, only remembered about 2 minutes in) I began running at 1:47. I figured I would be A-OK for my 3 hour goal, which had me pretty excited. My first 5km lap went well... 30 minutes, but then the heat got to me. I walked about 3 km of the second lap, completely stopped at a couple rest stations / showers they had a course... I managed to run the last 1.5km and crossed the finish line running. Stopped my watch about 1 minute later at 2:59:57... so it all depends on how slow I was to start timing... I may have just broken 3 hours, or I may be just over. But either way, it was awesome. I loved it, felt great to finish. I am a triathlete! |
| 2011-06-19 9:10 PM in reply to: #3555043 |
Veteran 358 Taoyuan, Taiwan | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED stevebradley - 2011-06-18 8:45 AM DUNCAN - Oops! I think you missed all of the incredibly disturbing footage of the riot. I'm not sure the city really deserved a win afterall, as many hundreds were either doing the damage or cheering it on. The coverage it has received here is remarkable, and the national shame, about "just" the national game, is fully palpable. I have to admot to wondering what in the world Vancouver was doing in getting so many people of the city streets. Even before the final game, some shopkeepers had boarded up theri windows, figuring that win or lose, all hell would break loose -- and it did. It is just amazing that no one was killed, although many people were badly beaten. Really awful. BUT! Have a good -- make that GREAT! -- race, and post about it here when you can.
I haven't seen the footage, but it made the news here in Taiwan, and my wife was laughing about it. Did you hear about the second story from Thursday though??? Thousands of people came out and cleaned up the city on Thursday morning... apparently, the only damage still visible by Thursday night was the boarded up windows. |
| 2011-06-19 10:31 PM in reply to: #3256772 |
Master 2236 Denison Texas | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED Well kind of a lost weekend for me. After Wednesday's6 mile run with hill repeats I had a sore ankle, ran on it Thursday, swelling and pain after. I stayed off of it Friday which extended through Saturday where I did absolutely nothing. Going through a bit of a personal crisis and sort of shut down-mentally and emotionally then physically. Today was better, 1 1 hour swim in fairly choppy water and a 7 mile-1 hr run. Only very mild pain in the ankle, not like it was. The personal pain will work itself out one way or the other. |
| 2011-06-20 6:48 AM in reply to: #3256772 |
| Member 179 | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED Steve, I changed the plan to a the Silver 10 weeK Intermediate Olympic. I wanted to have strength training included. I had to move the Friday long bikes to Sunday because they had Sunday's off and that is the day I have to do a long bike or run. The way the plan was layed out did not make any sense to me. Ellen |
| 2011-06-20 7:30 AM in reply to: #3556457 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED ALEX - Very fine report! Of course, the thing that leaps out at me is your hugely generous assistance to the guy with the flat. I know from my own vast experience with flats - plus the one time i stopped in a race to help a guy with a flat - how quickly time can pass, and you were a saint-and-then-some to help him as much as you did. The one time I helped someone was limited -- I dismounted and got the wheel off for him and showed him how he should work his tire levers.....but then I got back on and figured that if he needed further him, someone else could take that shift. My own humble contribution cost me maybe 60-90 seconds total, and that's not including time to lose speed, dismount, and then get back on and resume the speed I was at. So, maybe 2-2.5 minutes total? For you, though, it was a full 15, and from you description that's just time on the ground -- not a slow down and re-acceleration. You were generous and then some, and I sure hope that at some furture race of his own, he will offer some decent help to another cyclist with a flat. You mention needing to be more ruthless.........and, yes, that is soemthing you will need to do. After a few more races, you will see how many people can suffer flats and realize that if you can't help them all, maybe you shouldn't help any. I mean, that really is an approach to take, and possibly the most valid and realistic one. After all, everyone paid the same amount to do the race, and here I am being "ruthless" -- there's no reason why your race experience should be compromised by someone else's failure to attend to details. I really don't like talking that way, but prior to the race in which I helped that guy, I had spent many evenings practicing changing out my tubes. That race was my first half-iron, Timberman, in '01, and I had spent several days driving our daughter around the northeast looking at colleges. So each evening in the motels, she would watch TV and I would sit on the other bed, going over and over the porcess. It was a nuisance, but at least I knew what needed to be done. I had had flats before, in training, but just thought that before a major race I should get better at it; and, actually, I had worked at it some before that college trip. i guess i figure everyone should have some idea of how to change out a flat! But I digress!!! You lost at least 15 mintes being a GREAT samaritan, and I really think you need to factor that into your race results. That's the difference between you having the bike palcement you had, and what it could've been -- about 90/157. It also would've vaulted you up about 10-14 places in the overall results, and that's pretty significant. Please don't dismiss those considerations, and just realize that your placement as it was should have a big old asterisk next to it (as should the beneficiary of your kindness!!). Your swim placement was really good, and even though you swerved a bit and maybe took in too much water, you should be pleased to have so many people below you. And your T2 was excellent; what was your key with that? I'm wondering how much was anger/frustration at the time you lost helping him -- just speeding up T2 to try and gain back a bit of all that lost time. As for the deep water start --- surprise? You're right about it being strange, and if it's any consolation you shouldn't have too many of them in your triathlon lifetime. Of the 80+ races I have done that require a swim, less than 10 of them have had starts in which I couldn't touch bottom. As you now know, there's the problem of expending energy on treading water, and then the cumbersome weirdness of having to fulcrum the body forward against the buoyancy of the wetsuit. Ack! Your run was a success, given how little run training you were able to do. That rubbery-leg feeling WILL disappear over time, mostly just as a function o f learning what you have to do to minimize it. Part of that is what I've said before about switching things up an bit over the final mile or two of the bike, and also juts how to allow your legs to work most efficiently during the first five minutes or so of the run -- and this usually is affecting a running style that is NOT how you regularly run! And as for the sliced foot -- better that than a blister (unless the slice requires stitches.....   ). You did well, Alex, with some areas being especially strong. And I'll juts finish with what I said at the start of this post -- you were wonderful to give so much of your time to that hapless guy. Sleep well with that knowledge about yourself! |
| 2011-06-20 7:31 AM in reply to: #3556506 |
Veteran 283 New York | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED ckallpoints - 2011-06-19 2:21 PM Well I did my first OWS with my wetsuit on Saturday and it was the absolute worst swim I have ever had. I couldn't get into any kind of rhythm couldn't seem to breath my chest felt constricted it was terrible. It was nice the people I went with were trainers and do the rescue for the swim at the race I'm doing. This has really gotten in my head and I'm doubting my ability. We'll see how it goes. CRAIG -- I can relate to the chest constriction... I have done 2 events with the wetsuit and still feel that I can't get enough air. Let me know if you find a solution! Thanks Alex |
| 2011-06-20 8:15 AM in reply to: #3556506 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED CRAIG - I'm going to trouble-shoot some here, trying to read betweent he lines of what you aid about the wetsuit. This will go beyond the constriction situation, which is pretty obvious and self-explanatory. I will only add to that the following: that in many cases the sense of constriction is initially a "surprise", and just needs to be gotten accustomed to over time. The option to that is the less desirable possibility that the suit is just a size too small for you, in which case you will only get the best relief from getting a suit that doesn't constrict. this is always kind of a crapshoot, in that ideally a wetsuit will work the best if it is as tight as you can tolerate it. Of course, that varies from person to person, and for what it's worth I don't feel I am all that tolerant of constriction. It sure helps when you can buy from a place that has liberal return/excahnge policies on wetsuits! On to trouble-shooting, and what you say about not getting into a rhythm. How much of this was due to having the buoyancy throw your mechanics out of whack? Meaning: how much was you typical body position altered? Some people cannot handle having their hips and rump brought up so high, and this mostly affects people who have fairly high placement of those areas anyhow. They tend to feel that they are almost tipped froward too much, with am urge to kind of "scramble" their chest and shoulders to a higher position in the water to accommodate the lift down below. And some people even get off-put when their legs are brought up too high. Much of this can be adapted to over time, especially if you are able to get out often to do open water swims. From late May until mid-October I do nothing but OWS in a wetsuit, and I do abbout 3-5 of thsoe a week. So, it's kind of easy for me to suggest that unusual buoyancy problems can be adapted to quickly, but that's juts one thought. Another way that added buoyancy can advesely affect a swim is that it seems to inhibit body roll --- it seems to require effort to move the hips laterally, as you sense you are having to fight against all that neoprene that is keeping them high and almost "in place" at the water's surface. That will get people kicking harder than normal, just as a way to propel the hips to do their pivoting/rotation. So.....does any of the above resonate with you? Also -- what make and model wetsuit do you have? The problems above are more common with non-swim-specifci wetsuits, and I'm thinking here of ones that are more designed for diving purposes. But even in swim-specific ones, the thickness and/or placement of neoprene can be critical. If you suffered some of the symptoms I mentioned above, it could be that you have too much neoprene in the areas of your bottom and upper thighs, or that it extends too far down your upper legs. Most manufacturers refer to "panels" when they talk about the anatomy of their wetsuits, and the panel around your calves will be much thinner than the one around your thighs, which may be different than what encase your tokhis. Moviing up, the thicker area will typically be in the chest, with arms and shoulders being much thinner and with no noticeable affect on buoyancy. Let me know how this sounds to you, and then I will try to suggest ways to (slightly) tweak your swimming technique some so as to help you make it through the swim this coming weekend. Don't doubt your abilities, and don't despair!! |
| 2011-06-20 8:35 AM in reply to: #3556991 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED DUNCAN - Yes indeed -- you ARE a triathlete! Moreover, you are a triathlete who had a great experience in the process, and it really doesn't get much better than that. Sooooo.....when is the next one! I'll await whatever full(er) race report you come up with, but you've provided some great details in the less full report. It just sounds like you did a fine job of adjusting on the fly -- making a last-minute decision about where to seed yourself in the swim, and what needed to be done to handle the conditions on the run. While it is almost imperative to have a plan going into a tri, it is also beneficial to have some adaptability both ways -- for when things are going well, and for when it is all "going south". To have that adaptability takes time and experience, as well as confidence and courage, but you have made some pretty good first steps towards it already. Congrats on that alone! |
| 2011-06-20 8:46 AM in reply to: #3557471 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED DUNCAN again - About the riots..... --Much angst, and it covers everywhere --from Vancouver itself, and nationally. There has been a lot of talk about how we can't go tsk-tsk when we see footage of street riots in third-world settings, when in fact there may actually be valid socio-economic reasons for those happenings elsewghere -- whereas in Vancouver it was middle-class jackasses tearing apart a city because of some meaningless (in the grand scheme of things....) game. --The people who emerged from the woodwork the next morning to help the clean-up provided a much-needed positive catharsis to what had happened just hours before. It doesn't necessarily surprise me in hindsight, but at the time of thre riots there was nothing positive to be seen coming out of what was happening there. --A bunch of people have turned themselves in, which may have been out of same alone, but might also be becasue the Vacncouver authorities were offering some sort of leniency to people who turned themselves in. (I don't know if this offer was made.) --Within the first day or so there were over 125 "tips" phoned in to the Vanc police ---- one of the downsides of everyone seemingly having cameras attached to their cell phones, and all those images out there in broad daylight. There must've been a pile of people who looked at the newspapers the next few days and saw themselves and thought "Oh, sh--". Or whose parents saw them in a photo. Or their employers!! UH-OH!!!! 15 days in jail, followed by 500 committed hours of community service -- that sounds about right to me! |
| 2011-06-20 8:53 AM in reply to: #3557109 |
Champion 10618 | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED JEFF - Very sorry to hear you're going through "stuff". The physical stuff may have been a blessing in disguise for you, just forcing you to take a couple of days of relative downtime -- which is almost always beneficial. I'm glad to hear the ankle is not too compromised, and that the swelling is down and that it is run-on-able. As for the other concerns, well, my thoughts -- albeit non-directed -- are with you. Sometimes the workouts can help with those things, other times they just fall into the same pit. It sounds like it started like that for you, given your comments about shutting down, but that the swim and run were then pulled off. i hope the workouts can continue to have therapeutic benefits. Hang in there! Edited by stevebradley 2011-06-20 8:55 AM |
| 2011-06-20 11:08 AM in reply to: #3557511 |
Master 2236 Denison Texas | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED stevebradley - 2011-06-20 8:53 AM JEFF - Very sorry to hear you're going through "stuff". The physical stuff may have been a blessing in disguise for you, just forcing you to take a couple of days of relative downtime -- which is almost always beneficial. I'm glad to hear the ankle is not too compromised, and that the swelling is down and that it is run-on-able. As for the other concerns, well, my thoughts -- albeit non-directed -- are with you. Sometimes the workouts can help with those things, other times they just fall into the same pit. It sounds like it started like that for you, given your comments about shutting down, but that the swim and run were then pulled off. i hope the workouts can continue to have therapeutic benefits. Hang in there! I ran seven last night and felt fine, but this morning the pain has returned and getting a little worse. Admitedly my word "dress" shoes are pretty wore down and that could be aggravating this. |
| 2011-06-20 11:10 AM in reply to: #3256772 |
Veteran 663 Central Point | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED Well I'm not sure how these weekend is going to go. I think I've got some kind of infection. The wetsuit and swim just brought it to my attention a lot more. I think I'm going try to get to the Doc. today or tomorrow. Kathy's step dad is in the hospital with a heart attack and isn't expected to make it. They were camping in eastern Oregon and he is in the hospital in Boise, ID about 550 miles away, so we have to figure out what is going on there too. Time will tell. |
| 2011-06-20 1:01 PM in reply to: #3256772 |
Veteran 244 | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED stevebradley - 2011-06-08 5:09 PM DANIEL - Outer edge of the actual kneecap? Don't know about that, but if it's on the outside of your leg adjacent to the kneecap, that would be the illiotibial band. Any chance it's ITB area?
I do have tight ITBS (both sides) but this pain is on the outside of the knee cap.
In other news: 1) I am no longer unemployed!! I start this new job on Monday the 27th. 2) I am now contemplating the SUPERFROG HIM tri on 9/11 It is a nice flat course I think it will be a good first tri, I have a crew of about 7-15 people to train with for support. |
| 2011-06-20 1:13 PM in reply to: #3256772 |
Veteran 663 Central Point | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED |
| 2011-06-20 3:23 PM in reply to: #3256772 |
Veteran 663 Central Point | Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED Well my wife's step father passed today. I'm not sure how this will affect this weekend. I may not be racing but that's a minor thing right now. |
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