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2012-02-28 2:43 PM
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LittleCat - 2012-02-28 10:04 AM
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Nothing can be worse than CdA.  That was a cold swim.  Anything with a high 5 or low 6 handle is fine with me. 

As it relates to the SG swim start, I would imagine the floating start with such a long straight swim would be a good thing, right?  My only full comparison is CdA and it was really tight the whole time.  

The long straight away is definitly a plus since its a ways before you need to turn and the field has plenty of time to spread out. Theres plenty of space throughout. Also its 1 loop compared to CDA's 2. Which makes a massive diff.

Ahhhh ... music to my ears!



2012-02-28 6:35 PM
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I am for sure not getting in the washing machine again. I started out in the middle of everyone at CdA and thought I was going to DNF right there. Man it sucked major. I would have loved to have seen my HR but my watch was ripped off my arm so I have no idea what it was. I would quess it was 250 but since I was hypothermic it may have only been 199 ha ha. All jokes aside I will be somewhere either in the back or to the right. I'm headed up to north Georgia this weekend to hit some hills and see how the legs are coming along. Also getting a refit on the bike. Somehow I am experiencing IT issues on the bike for the first time ever. High hopes I get this resolved. New shoes have to be the issue. I must have my cleats on different or have changed my angles somehow. No matter the reason it has to change for sure.
2012-02-28 8:32 PM
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I watched st george last year and couldn't believe how-- (spread out, calm, no washing machine, only half the racers were in the water ready to go.... "chill") it was compared to CDA.  

another thing to remember is the amount of racers. didn't cda have around 2400 last year?  I'll be interested if this sells out which could be another thing to consider.  The middle may not be as bad here.

I'm getting in the mix this time.  It calmed down pretty quickly and that long straight away gives you plenty of time to settle down get into a groove and hopefully find a draft. ( which i can never seem to do)

2012-02-29 12:09 PM
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okay...didn't swim in Sand Hollow rez, but managed to get in a solid first loop on the bike course including the 20 miles from rez to Saint George proper on Monday (2nd trip since Christmas break). Felt great! Swapped out standard aero crank for a compact and ran an 11-26 on the rear. Didn't feel like I needed the 28, so I'm keeping the compact/26 set up. Not sure on wheels. Was running my Hed Jet 40s and felt some flutter on the front wheel from Veyo back to SG proper (significant headwind)...I'm also 130lbs with a backpack, so keep that in mind. Also ran one loop of the run course (Diagonal Street seems to be a false flat) before the rain/snow picked up yesterday. All is fresh on the mind, so feel free to hit me with questions; I might be able to answer some!
2012-02-29 2:25 PM
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How many people here are going to opt for an insulated cap under their regular swim cap?

I just received my new Blue-seventy cap, so it's off to the pool to practice.

2012-02-29 3:00 PM
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If anyone is having a hard time with finding hotels for that weekend I would be willing to let someone stay at our home with us free of charge.   You would have your own room and shower.   Or if you are planning on just coming down early to train on the course between now and race day.   We have a large home with a few extra rooms within about 5 minutes of downtown St. George.  Just wanted to put this out there.  First come first serve.  If you are interested contact me (Dave) at [email protected] and we can make arrangement.  FYI I am not competing but will be doing motorcycle support on race day.  Good luck to all of you..


2012-02-29 4:27 PM
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I wear the de soto 5mm cap under my race cap.  An hour+ is long exposure time.  
2012-02-29 5:07 PM
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Rhenium - 2012-02-29 1:25 PM

How many people here are going to opt for an insulated cap under their regular swim cap?

I just received my new Blue-seventy cap, so it's off to the pool to practice.



Yes...without question. Did water support for the 1st IMSG and pulled several people out of the water; none had an insulated cap, 1 didn't have a cap at all.
2012-02-29 6:49 PM
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Rhenium - 2012-02-29 12:25 PM

How many people here are going to opt for an insulated cap under their regular swim cap?

I just received my new Blue-seventy cap, so it's off to the pool to practice.

Definitely. I can't imagine what CdA would have been like without the one I wore and I'm not going to temp fate at SG.

2012-02-29 6:50 PM
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lacofdfireman - 2012-02-29 1:00 PM If anyone is having a hard time with finding hotels for that weekend I would be willing to let someone stay at our home with us free of charge.   You would have your own room and shower.   Or if you are planning on just coming down early to train on the course between now and race day.   We have a large home with a few extra rooms within about 5 minutes of downtown St. George.  Just wanted to put this out there.  First come first serve.  If you are interested contact me (Dave) at [email protected] and we can make arrangement.  FYI I am not competing but will be doing motorcycle support on race day.  Good luck to all of you..

I don't need the room, but wanted to say thanks for the offer! That's very kind of you.

Brad

2012-03-01 9:14 AM
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Feb is officially done.  We are 67 days from showtime.  Here has been my build thus far:

Oct - 50.75 hours (S-11.00, B-23.75, R-16.00)

Nov - 52.25 hours (S-12.00, B-25.25, R-15.00)

Dec - 52.50 hours (S-11.75, B-25.75, R-15.00)

Jan - 60.50 hours (S-13.25, B-26.75, R-20.50)

Feb - 67.00 hours (S-13.25, B-31.50, R-22.25)

I've got 7x75 mile rides done and 3x2:00 hour runs.  My plan starts to get really crazy this month.  It's getting tricky to balance speed vs volume.  Really pleased with my bike endurance/speed, but coming from a totally flat place where I only climb 1,700 feet per my 60 mile loop I'm not sure how I will do in SG on the bike.

What kind of volumes are y'all doing?   

 

 

 



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2012-03-01 9:23 AM
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Rhenium - 2012-02-29 2:25 PM

How many people here are going to opt for an insulated cap under their regular swim cap?

I just received my new Blue-seventy cap, so it's off to the pool to practice.

 

I will use it again if allowed.  It felt odd to when I first used it (tugs on chin a bit), but after you start swimming you forget it's on.  Two things that I learned with it at CdA: (i) you can't hear anything as the neo cap is thick and totally covers your ears, but keeping the cold water out of your ears is worth it and (ii) I had a hard time keeping my head low enough in the water due to the buoyancy nature of the neo cap.  It felt like my head was floating too high in the water.   

2012-03-01 9:55 AM
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It looks like you are putting in some good time on everything, especially the running. 

My bike volume is similar, but it is mostly on a trainer.  I have started going to a Morrow Mt State Park which has 2 fairly good climbs for this part of NC.  I've had 3 - 2 hour runs so far.  My swim hours are high, but that's mainly because I'm slow.  Hopefully, come race day I will be slow and steady.

Like you, March gets a little crazy as far as hours of traing.  Hopefully, it will pay off.  Good luck with training and look forward to seeing you May 5!

2012-03-01 11:36 AM
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I'm on the flip side-I struggle to find flat-ish areas to train on. My 'flattest' run has 976 feet of gain over 10 miles. My long run gains are all over 1700 ft for 16-18 milers. For my long bike 75+ are all over 5000+ feet of gain. A recent 68 miler brought 4851 feet.

The plus side is that I'm a total mountain goat. Speed work is done on a redundant loop since its the only flat area around me.
2012-03-03 10:28 AM
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LittleCat - 2012-03-01 11:36 AM I'm on the flip side-I struggle to find flat-ish areas to train on. My 'flattest' run has 976 feet of gain over 10 miles. My long run gains are all over 1700 ft for 16-18 milers. For my long bike 75+ are all over 5000+ feet of gain. A recent 68 miler brought 4851 feet. The plus side is that I'm a total mountain goat. Speed work is done on a redundant loop since its the only flat area around me.

 

My IT bands would explode on site with that much climbing.  I did a 105 mile ride yesterday and I barely eeked past 2,000 feet.  I'd have to do 250 miles (6 loops) to match that elevation. 

Does anyone know the true elevation gain for this course? 

2012-03-04 11:58 AM
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Just rode it from Sand Hollow, one loop, followed by ride into town to T2. Total elevation for that distance was 3,907 - one additional loop is approximately 1,800 feet so you figure the bike elevation gain is approximately 5,600 feet.  I rode this with a friend, who was riding it for the first time. Did the ride from Sand Hollow and a loop in just under 4:00. Felt great and definitely could have pushed harder (did not shift out of my big gear the whole ride).
2012-03-04 12:11 PM
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I have been riding NBH, Nothing But Hills, for my long work. Yesterday was 108 miles with 7400 feet of climbing.
2012-03-04 12:13 PM
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bryancd - 2012-03-04 11:11 AM I have been riding NBH, Nothing But Hills, for my long work. Yesterday was 108 miles with 7400 feet of climbing.

 

Well done!

2012-03-04 3:12 PM
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slctri - 2012-03-04 11:07 AM Just rode it from Sand Hollow, one loop, followed by ride into town to T2. Total elevation for that distance was 3,907 - one additional loop is approximately 1,800 feet so you figure the bike elevation gain is approximately 5,600 feet.  I rode this with a friend, who was riding it for the first time. Did the ride from Sand Hollow and a loop in just under 4:00. Felt great and definitely could have pushed harder (did not shift out of my big gear the whole ride).

Am I reading this right? You rode the whole course in your biggest gear? Big chainring? Up those hills into that headwind? How much do you weigh? I ride a double on this course every Saturday using every gear I have. I'm seriously impressed!

2012-03-05 4:04 AM
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The course from Sand Hollow and one loop in the big ring (including eagle ranch, the wall, and climb out of veyo). This is definately not the plan race day but I wanted to do it because a few in our group said a compact was a must. Advantage: I am 6'1" and aporox. 149lbs (race weight), which means it's a lot harder for most riders. What time do you usually ride? I'm down there every other weekend with a large group of riders - everyone from pros to notice. You should join us. I believe the next planned ride is 16th and 17th.


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Pbman - reread your post. Big ring in front, 11-25 in back with shifting in rear. The test was to defy that a compact was not "necessary," although a loop in the hardest gear all-around is an interesting challenge. Still, I would think that would be near impossible.
2012-03-05 8:08 AM
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And I rode the loop with an 11/23 and that wasn't too bad either. I'll still swap out for an 11/26 come race day. I'm not sure if I will have an opportunity to get back up to ride the course again but I have begun the process of trying to target a goal bike split for the race. It's actually easy for me to figure out as my coach did the race last year and I know how I compare to him as well as to the M40-44 AG winner Chris Hauth as we raced Vineman 70.3 last year.

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2012-03-05 10:05 AM
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Hey SlcTri, I caught up to the back of a group of about 15-20 tt bikes on my second loop Saturday. Didn't catch the main group. Do you have a bunch that are training for Coeur d'Alene and Arizona? Met the same group at the Veyo store a couple of weeks ago. If that is your group, you are keeping fast company.

Locals stage out of the ponds/softball fields parking lot on Snow Canyon parking lot on Snow Canyon Parkway at 9 am Saturday mornings. It's exactly 2 miles down from hwy 18 on right hand side. Just drive down until you see all the people fishing. All are welcome to join us. Lots of riders of different abilities. Some are even friendly. T-run afterwards.

As for gearing, I have a standard crank up front with an 11-28 out back. At 180lbs I need every bit of it. You little people really annoy me. Whoever came up with the Law of Physics had to have been a 150 pound triathlete. A big guy would have come up with a more equitable set of laws that don't put me at a disadvantage on hills. A couple of locals are running compacts up front and the problem they run into is that they outrun their gearing on the fast sections of the course. I have found that I am a lot more stable/safer at high speeds if I can get just a little power to the drive train. Compact crankers can only coast for long sections of this course. They loose way more time than they can ever get on the climbs.

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bryancd - 2012-03-05 7:08 AM And I rode the loop with an 11/23 and that wasn't too bad either. I'll still swap out for an 11/26 come race day. I'm not sure if I will have an opportunity to get back up to ride the course again but I have begun the process of trying to target a goal bike split for the race. It's actually easy for me to figure out as my coach did the race last year and I know how I compare to him as well as to the M40-44 AG winner Chris Hauth as we raced Vineman 70.3 last year.

Hey Bryan, would you care to share your goal bike split? I am in the same process and am struggling to nail down a time. I figured I could just take yours and add 2 hours. How close do you usually get to your projected times if all goes well?

Dan.

 

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