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2012-01-12 8:24 PM
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hoale1985 - 2012-01-12 9:19 AM I'm game. Don't have any Tri background or endurance for that matter. Taking up the sport for the challenge and the motivation to continue working out. Have the first Tri in one month. I have a used fuji team pro road bike (without aero bars) which I have been riding approximately 2/week for 2 months and running (asmuch as possible) and swimming(aiming for 3/week). No coach! Fueling during training has not been attempted other that water so far. Goals is to do an IM distance next year and a HIM the end of this year.

 

 

Thanks for stepping up,

No experience to HIM is bold but do-able. No coach is fine. I would think that the HIM is your real goal so I would spend most of your time preparing yourself for that goal. Respect the distance. You will have to figure out  pacing and nutrition.

I don't know if you access to the plans here but I would do the Olympic plan for your oly followed by the olympic to HIM bridge plan for the HIM.

 

I wouldn't worry about aerobars for the sprint or oly. For the HIM it may make  a difference. Slapping aerobars on a bike really doesn't make a big difference. Slapping aerobars on a bike and shifting your total body position can make a big difference.



2012-01-12 8:35 PM
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The big difference between aerobars and normal bars is the ability to get your body in a more aero position. The downside is it narorrows, or compresses the hip angle which decreases the power you can produce. This is more important with in people who are less flexible. A quick check on flexibility is to bend over and touch your toes. If you can't do it, you are not very flexible. If you can do it, you are flexible. If you can touch your palms to your toes, you are very flexible.

To get full benefit from aerobars you need to move the seat forward to keep the hip angle open. The more flexible your are the less critical the angle needs to be.   

2012-01-12 10:00 PM
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I know the distance is demanding but I am determined to finish it. The Tri bike is something I'm looking at getting, used of course. The training runs/rides are slowly getting longer too. Fueling for these longer distances will begin the trial and error phase soon.
2012-01-13 6:44 AM
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from Hoale1985's original post: "Hi there guys/girls.James A newbie to tri's. Come from a running background and have been training using an Olympic training plan. I have aspirations to eventually complete 2013 IMAZ but this year I think the cap will be HIM.I have yet to compete in a tri but my first sprint is February. then I have two Olympics in April and may then a HiM in September.Not really anything in perticular sparks this change but the idea of competing in something new and different. Hope I can make it last."

1. Talk to us about your running background

2. How much bike and swim are you able to do now? What are your current sets and rides looking like (distances)?

3. Tell us more about your time for training and support system.

4. I may have missed but will check about gear or other issues you want to address

5. Where does your trial and error start in regards nutrition (as you probably did something for running)?

That will help us get a bit more deep into your HIM goal for this year! Thanks for stepping up is right.

EDIT TO ADD: I found this in prior post "riding approximately 2/week for 2 months and running (asmuch as possible) and swimming(aiming for 3/week)." Seems like there is potentially a lot of questions we can help you with if you want to use the group for that purpose. Not to mention all the good info so far!



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2012-01-13 7:04 AM
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Ashley:

What kind of bikes are you looking at "that will fit you"? And we have to discuss your baboon butt prevention plan in more detail. You and Peter both had some issues and both wore desoto. assos gear helped my taint in training. 

2012-01-13 7:08 AM
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I have purchased  several bikes from e-bay. My first bike was a Cervelo Duel for $625. It is a great starter bike and I still have it. The used market  is not a bad way to start. Craigs list can also be a good source. If you are patient and smart about your offers, you can get a great deal


2012-01-13 7:09 AM
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fit is most important on a new or used bike purchase
2012-01-13 7:13 AM
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phatknot - 2012-01-13 8:04 AM

Ashley:

What kind of bikes are you looking at "that will fit you"? And we have to discuss your baboon butt prevention plan in more detail. You and Peter both had some issues and both wore desoto. assos gear helped my taint in training. 

I plan to get my assos off the course quicker to solve my issues. Do most people change into running shorts in T2? I saw a lot of people doing it and I am planning to do it this year.

2012-01-13 7:31 AM
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What training plan would you suggest for beginner cyclist for Oly's and Sprint races (16 week plan). I saw plenty programs, but most of them start with "silly" minutes, like 12minutes swim, 18min run....

Trying to incorporate these plans into my routines is a no way street. Any suggestions?

2012-01-13 7:31 AM
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I think thats a personal prefernce question. Ideally, if time is an issue, you go one with one tri suit all day long. If time is not as important as comfort, you quickly change in T2. My transition times at IM distances were markedly faster than the majority of my competitors to the point of actually passing 300+ in T1 at IMFL. Its up to you but I say, get a really good tri suit, like the new carbon ones by TYR and use it on long training days. Then if its tore up, buy a  fresh one for race day. If triathlon is your country club, don't skimp on the goofy plaid polyester outfit!
2012-01-13 7:47 AM
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Gladiator: tell us how many sessions per week and how much time per cycling you have available.


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phatknot - 2012-01-13 8:31 AM I think thats a personal prefernce question. Ideally, if time is an issue, you go one with one tri suit all day long. If time is not as important as comfort, you quickly change in T2. My transition times at IM distances were markedly faster than the majority of my competitors to the point of actually passing 300+ in T1 at IMFL. Its up to you but I say, get a really good tri suit, like the new carbon ones by TYR and use it on long training days. Then if its tore up, buy a  fresh one for race day. If triathlon is your country club, don't skimp on the goofy plaid polyester outfit![/QUOTE]

The reason I wore the DeSoto 400 miler is because it was recommended. They aren't cheap. I would never scrimp of protection for the jewels. If you have a specific brand and model of shorts I will get it today. The DeSotos I wore at Coz were essentially new. I had 1-2 test rides in them, washed in cold water and air dried. I also buttered the boys in both T1 and T2. 

2012-01-13 8:02 AM
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this is kind of personal preference again as i wore desoto 400 for imaz then went to LG team gear.

this year i m hoping the team goes to TYR carbon tri suits. Ive been told by the Dynamo Multisport Head Coach and multi Kona Qualifier Matt Rose that these will be the most comfortable uniforms available. 120$ or so for the top AND bottom. I prefer 2 piece. I would probably be back in my LG all3sports one if a. they dont switch to TYR too and b. they bring me back in 2012 (we dont find out until feb).

Scotty will tell you that Rose knows his stuff but don't hold me accountable. I never felt it. I also like CEP and Blue Seventy stuff in terms of quality. both have tri suits that I havent tried on. to me a tri suit is desinged to have you not have to change in T2 which saves you about 5 mins. do you really care about 5 mins? if so, look at these options! if not, put on your comfy run shorts that make you look so sexy!

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jlbyce - 2012-01-12 12:47 PM nerdjock-i don't really notice any increased odor from running sockless. one tip though, rather than washing shoe, throw them in freezer. this will kill most of odor causing bacteria.

is nobody going to call jordan out on this? first off, no chance my size 14s are fitting in the freezer and 2nd off mrs slayer would beat my azz if i tried to put my shoes near our frozen goods.

2012-01-13 8:18 AM
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I really liked the DeSoto 400 milers in training.  I, like Peter, was just out there for too dam long.  Also, I put wet sponges down my shirt, which soaked my shorts.  My plan is 1) finish faster! and (2) look into a shorts change.  Something where I don't have to do a lot of body gliding would be ideal.  Also, something that works with my special running tutu, as that will be returning this year.

I still have scars.

2012-01-13 8:47 AM
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phatknot - 2012-01-13 9:02 AM

Scotty will tell you that Rose knows his stuff but don't hold me accountable. I never felt it. I also like CEP and Blue Seventy stuff in terms of quality. both have tri suits that I havent tried on. to me a tri suit is desinged to have you not have to change in T2 which saves you about 5 mins. do you really care about 5 mins? if so, look at these options! if not, put on your comfy run shorts that make you look so sexy!

Funny you should mention the TYR Carbon. They just got the fitting sizes for the kits at the pool this morning. This looks like some good stuff. The feel of it is like no other tri clothing I have ever felt. It feels more like a swim skin than normal tri clothing. It feels great on and stretches nicely. The chamois seems pretty solid. I'm looking forward to putting this stuff through some workouts this spring.



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phatknot - 2012-01-13 2:47 PM Gladiator: tell us how many sessions per week and how much time per cycling you have available.

3 or 4 sessions per week.

One of those long one (weekend) if neccesary.

2012-01-13 9:02 AM
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Remind me again, which distance you are working to and how long per each session?

bear in mind you have to fit these in with your run and swim so you have to be smart if you are doing this on your own.

obviously the long one you want to be becoming efficient at your goal race effort. the others, if shorter, may be good to be divided up into sessions working on some v02 max intervals (close to all out efforts like the classic ones Jorge posts on BT e.g., 6x4' with some rest 1' between and a 20' warm up and 10' cool down), some hill repeat type work, some high cadence spinning work, some solid tempo/LT work, some drill work (one leg pedaling). I'd probably get a structured plan to use as a guide.

Essentially the goal is to have you working all three systems as much as your body can allow with the other sport training not suffering. Kind of a rush job but I am running to work. Also, I should note that I don't do this kind of training as much. I focus most of my time in zone 2 this time of year.

2012-01-13 9:58 AM
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phatknot - 2012-01-13 9:04 AM

jlbyce - 2012-01-12 12:47 PM nerdjock-i don't really notice any increased odor from running sockless. one tip though, rather than washing shoe, throw them in freezer. this will kill most of odor causing bacteria.

is nobody going to call jordan out on this? first off, no chance my size 14s are fitting in the freezer and 2nd off mrs slayer would beat my azz if i tried to put my shoes near our frozen goods.

Dude, thats why you put them in the chest freezer in the garage where the wife never looks. Right next to my stash of girl scout cookies.



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phatknot - 2012-01-13 4:02 PM Essentially the goal is to have you working all three systems as much as your body can allow with the other sport training not suffering.

- this is an enigmatic question which is subject to constant acquainting yourself, right? I do not know a formula to this...

In the long(er) run I am looking to 70.3 distance for the next year. But, the concentration is for now on sprints and olympic distances. I have no certain triathlon race set yet, but I have a Marathon in March, Half-Mary in April and May.

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I don't really have much of a training background in a sense of racing but merely to stay active. I have don't a couple of 5k charity runs but that is about it. As for the time I have available for training, it really varies. Some days I cannot train at all due to work and others I can train as much as I can handle. I generally swim 2 times a week and bike 2 times. The bikes longest ride is 25 so i need to expand that volume a bunch as i get to the spring. As for support my girlfriend is onboard 100 percent. She was a x-c runner in college so if need be we spend some time together working out or going to the gym where I can swim. Equipment I currently have like I said bike: fuji team pro roadie, shoes: Nike free run, I have a zoot Tri suit and a timex HRM. Training and nutrition I have not been paying too much attention, just water without any additives or fuels. Trial and error will be trying different gels and shots as my training volumes continue.


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hoale1985 - 2012-01-13 10:00 AM I don't really have much of a training background in a sense of racing but merely to stay active. I have don't a couple of 5k charity runs but that is about it. As for the time I have available for training, it really varies. Some days I cannot train at all due to work and others I can train as much as I can handle. I generally swim 2 times a week and bike 2 times. The bikes longest ride is 25 so i need to expand that volume a bunch as i get to the spring. As for support my girlfriend is onboard 100 percent. She was a x-c runner in college so if need be we spend some time together working out or going to the gym where I can swim. Equipment I currently have like I said bike: fuji team pro roadie, shoes: Nike free run, I have a zoot Tri suit and a timex HRM. Training and nutrition I have not been paying too much attention, just water without any additives or fuels. Trial and error will be trying different gels and shots as my training volumes continue.

Are you going to follow a training program or are you going to schedule workouts yourself? Just wondering. I've heard of people being successfull doing either.

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I attempt to follow a OLY plan when I can but when gone, I do what I can when I can. It kind of hard to follow all the time since I am gone from gym and home so much but try to fit in workouts when amenities are available.
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20 tough trails w/Phat. Nutrition like a champ: bag of peanut butter M%Ms, big reeses cup, 5 hr energy shot, and a 4 scoop perpeteum bottle. Beer me!
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jlbyce - 2012-01-13 5:54 PM20 tough trails w/Phat. Nutrition like a champ: bag of peanut butter M%Ms, big reeses cup, 5 hr energy shot, and a 4 scoop perpeteum bottle. Beer me!
That is how you do nutrition!
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