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Re: my original question about swim - run - bike: It's my overall schedule - trying to fit it all in properly and maximize ability for muscle recovery - the usual. I work, have kids going in all directions, gym schedule dictates some things, yada, yada.

(I wish the ipad view would allow me to quote. You can't follow this thread well w/o quoting. Sorry.)


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Scott14 - As long as you can swim decently well, work on endurance at this point. 500 yards is nothing - you should be able to get there in one or two weeks. I'd work on drills after getting that base down.

If you really don't know how to swim at all, then get some guidance to get the stroke reasonably down first.

Of course w/o seeing you swim, it's hard to give specific advice. Those are just my general thoughts.
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I am a month into my training program and it has me STing twice a week. It is just back and legs. Maybe 7 exersizes, three sets each. It takes about a half hour. What I am finding is that even though I have a pretty solid base of muscle, the slow lifts with light wieght are killing me. The plan also calls for 3-4 core exercise days as well. I credit these exercizes to my crazy advancement in the pool. And the better I get in the pool, the more I want to swim! I threw in an extra 4000 yard swim in this weekend, because I had an opportunity to workout with a few of the National level coaches at Peddie Prep school, which is in my area. Not only was I keeping up, I left with only a few minor things to work on. Now we weren't racing, mind you, but a month ago I was struggling with a couple hundred yards at a time. The ST played a big part in that.


Not sure to highlight anymore in the new format so....."an extra 4000 yards..."

Okay, now you are annoying
2014-01-23 8:32 AM
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Don't swim terrible, just have no endurance at this point. After about 50 meters stroke gets ragged. Believe biggest problem is body position and kick. At this point I am using a 2 beat kick., Bilateral breathing and body rotation is pretty good. Starting to work on hand entry and catch now. Any tips on improving body position in the water? W ill try to get videotaped this weekend to see how bad hips and legs are dragging. Thanks for the help!
2014-01-23 8:35 AM
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I'm going to try and address a few things at once.

1. Run volume in a triathlon plan.  Especially for runners it's hard to accept or wrap your mind around the fact that your run volume needs to come down and you'll still have the same, if not a better base of fitness in that area.  Running is the highest impact discipline on your body/recovery.  There is also some crossover from cycling fitness gains into run fitness and not vice versa.  It's an interesting phenomenon.  I think if you're exclusively running that running 5-6 days a week is fine, but tri training and doing the same takes a tremendous toll on your body.  Just be aware and in touch with what's going on and listen to your body as opposed to what most of us do.

2.  Swim fitness and those of us who find swimming distance an issue.  Form, form, form.  I've seen sub 4 marathoners get in the pool and struggle to knock out a 25 and I've seen couch potatoes get in and kill a 1k.  Why is that?  Form.  Swimming is all form and muscle memory and very little (in comparison to the other tri disciplines) about endurance.  New swimmers should have AT LEAST one form only day in their program and then work some form drills into their endurance days too.  Also if you feel your form falling apart in the pool due to fatigue or whatever GET OUT.  There is no use in engraining poor form into your muscle memory.  It's counter productive.  As your form and balance improve so will your times and the distances you can go.  Once your comfortable with the distance then start working in interval sets.

3.  Bricks.  Outside of learning how your body reacts while running off the bike and getting in extra run time bricks have ZERO physiological effects.  When you do bricks, or transition runs as I like to call them, run for 25-30 minutes (60 at most if you're doing a full IM).  Basically you're learning how your body feels after getting off the bike AND more importantly you need to focus on how gain control of your heart rate on the run.  If you train all 3 disciplines properly the fitness will be there on race day.  You don't need to learn to "run fatigued" off the bike or whatever.  If you can run a stand alone marathon then you can run an IM marathon given you paced correctly and hit all your nutrition.  The same goes for all distances.  I've seen programs/coaches that will schedule their athletes for an 80 mile ride/18 mile brick for an Ironman.  All you're really doing is killing the workouts you had scheduled for the next week because you won't be recovered.  So if you have time between two key workouts don't just throw something in willy nilly.  Use that time for recovery (rest, foam rolling, etc) or generally neglected core work.  Make sure every workout has a purpose and not something just thrown in as a time filler.

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I am a month into my training program and it has me STing twice a week. It is just back and legs. Maybe 7 exersizes, three sets each. It takes about a half hour. What I am finding is that even though I have a pretty solid base of muscle, the slow lifts with light wieght are killing me. The plan also calls for 3-4 core exercise days as well. I credit these exercizes to my crazy advancement in the pool. And the better I get in the pool, the more I want to swim! I threw in an extra 4000 yard swim in this weekend, because I had an opportunity to workout with a few of the National level coaches at Peddie Prep school, which is in my area. Not only was I keeping up, I left with only a few minor things to work on. Now we weren't racing, mind you, but a month ago I was struggling with a couple hundred yards at a time. The ST played a big part in that.


Not sure to highlight anymore in the new format so....."an extra 4000 yards..."

Okay, now you are annoying


Ok, upon a second reading, that was pretentious on my part. I did skip a 90 bike to swim that day and when they told me what we would be doing I was down right fearful I wouldn't be able to finish the workout. The fact that I did, amazes me. And the only reason I did, was because of the help I have received on this forum. It was meant as more of a, " Thank You" than a, " Look what I can do!"


2014-01-23 10:08 AM
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I did and I found one but didn't print it out and now I can't find it.
My swim is strong so I should probably drop that back to two days and keep both the bike and run at four. I have Be Iron Fit by Don Fink, and I could use one of his plans, they are two swims, 3 bikes, and 4 runs, but one run is only a 15 min. brick...that just doesn't doesn't seem like enough bike or run for me.
The bike is different than the run, in that I can maximize my mileage on three rides, correct? Where with runs 4-5 shorter mileage runs are better that three long runs, I am guessing you can just hammer out the bike mileage?


From my experience, I'd also say 5 days of running is recipe for injury. You would be surprised by how much endurance translates between the bike and run. Obviously training is a personal thing, but you should be fine if you have your long run for the week match up with the long run for a Ragnar training program. Plus, unless I am mistaken, other than the 15 minute brick run, the runs are all a good distance.

I'm also using Don Fink's plan, about 6 weeks in. My running group is training for a half in March and a full marathon in May. I simply join them for their long slow run on the weekend for my "Sunday" run on the plan. And I have no problem with increasing the distance with them. What week would Ragnar fall in the plan?


Ragnar is 20 weeks before my A race.

I am a bit confused, both you and Scott have said running 5x a week sets me up for injury but I have read many times over that shorter more frequent runs are easier on the body and that the long run should not be more than 30% of your weekly total. Perhaps I am only looking at this as a runner and I know people always say that Tri is a different beast altogether....I am just confused now.
My initial thought was that if the run portion of my race is 10mi then I should be running at least 30mpw in my peak weeks leading up to my race. I am currently playing with and comparing a custom BT plan and the Don Fink plan.

Does this look better?
Sun- long Bike
Mon - rest
Tues - Run / Bike
Wed Swim / Run
Thurs - Run / Bike
Fri - Swim
Sat Long Run
2 swims, 4 runs, 4 bikes.

The Fink plan has 2 swims, 4 runs and 3 bikes.


I love the idea of simple strength training, things that I can do at home! I was imagining that I needed to fit in gym time, this I can do!

Thanks for helping me sort thru this all!
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Originally posted by poolgod

Originally posted by ccmpsyd

Originally posted by poolgod

I am a month into my training program and it has me STing twice a week. It is just back and legs. Maybe 7 exersizes, three sets each. It takes about a half hour. What I am finding is that even though I have a pretty solid base of muscle, the slow lifts with light wieght are killing me. The plan also calls for 3-4 core exercise days as well. I credit these exercizes to my crazy advancement in the pool. And the better I get in the pool, the more I want to swim! I threw in an extra 4000 yard swim in this weekend, because I had an opportunity to workout with a few of the National level coaches at Peddie Prep school, which is in my area. Not only was I keeping up, I left with only a few minor things to work on. Now we weren't racing, mind you, but a month ago I was struggling with a couple hundred yards at a time. The ST played a big part in that.


Not sure to highlight anymore in the new format so....."an extra 4000 yards..."

Okay, now you are annoying


Ok, upon a second reading, that was pretentious on my part. I did skip a 90 bike to swim that day and when they told me what we would be doing I was down right fearful I wouldn't be able to finish the workout. The fact that I did, amazes me. And the only reason I did, was because of the help I have received on this forum. It was meant as more of a, " Thank You" than a, " Look what I can do!"


Don't worry about it. We're just proud of you and excited with you. Awesome job!

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I did and I found one but didn't print it out and now I can't find it.
My swim is strong so I should probably drop that back to two days and keep both the bike and run at four. I have Be Iron Fit by Don Fink, and I could use one of his plans, they are two swims, 3 bikes, and 4 runs, but one run is only a 15 min. brick...that just doesn't doesn't seem like enough bike or run for me.
The bike is different than the run, in that I can maximize my mileage on three rides, correct? Where with runs 4-5 shorter mileage runs are better that three long runs, I am guessing you can just hammer out the bike mileage?

From my experience, I'd also say 5 days of running is recipe for injury. You would be surprised by how much endurance translates between the bike and run. Obviously training is a personal thing, but you should be fine if you have your long run for the week match up with the long run for a Ragnar training program. Plus, unless I am mistaken, other than the 15 minute brick run, the runs are all a good distance.

I'm also using Don Fink's plan, about 6 weeks in. My running group is training for a half in March and a full marathon in May. I simply join them for their long slow run on the weekend for my "Sunday" run on the plan. And I have no problem with increasing the distance with them. What week would Ragnar fall in the plan?

Ragnar is 20 weeks before my A race.

I am a bit confused, both you and Scott have said running 5x a week sets me up for injury but I have read many times over that shorter more frequent runs are easier on the body and that the long run should not be more than 30% of your weekly total. Perhaps I am only looking at this as a runner and I know people always say that Tri is a different beast altogether....I am just confused now.
My initial thought was that if the run portion of my race is 10mi then I should be running at least 30mpw in my peak weeks leading up to my race. I am currently playing with and comparing a custom BT plan and the Don Fink plan.

Does this look better?
Sun- long Bike
Mon - rest
Tues - Run / Bike
Wed Swim / Run
Thurs - Run / Bike
Fri - Swim
Sat Long Run
2 swims, 4 runs, 4 bikes.

The Fink plan has 2 swims, 4 runs and 3 bikes.


I love the idea of simple strength training, things that I can do at home! I was imagining that I needed to fit in gym time, this I can do!

Thanks for helping me sort thru this all!

I'd say you are looking at it as a runner. I think that looks better. I personally love my "rest" days. I always try to have mine on the weekends so I can go hiking/climbing/snowshoeing/skiing with friends. I mean I'll take a day off if my body is just exhausted, but I love being outside which means my rest days still involve activity rather than sitting on the couch all day.

FWIW, I'll be running a half mary in a couple weeks and I haven't topped 27 mpw. I don't plan on full on racing as it's not an "A" and I have other workouts I want to do, but... I have no doubt I'll easily cross that finish line. That'll be 17 weeks out from race day for me on Fink's plan.

Perhaps this is where "trust your training" comes in handy?

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I went to my second Master's workout (first one was last Wednesday) in over a year. Had my butt solidly handed to me. I am very out of shape for swimming, my endurance is so low right now. At least I'm finally back in the pool. Thanks for encouragement people!

-Christina

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DP, sorry!

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Thanks MechEchick.

Poolgod, congrats! No worries about 'bragging' ...it wasn't read that way from here :-) we are all here to cheer each other on!
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I am a month into my training program and it has me STing twice a week. It is just back and legs. Maybe 7 exersizes, three sets each. It takes about a half hour. What I am finding is that even though I have a pretty solid base of muscle, the slow lifts with light wieght are killing me. The plan also calls for 3-4 core exercise days as well. I credit these exercizes to my crazy advancement in the pool. And the better I get in the pool, the more I want to swim! I threw in an extra 4000 yard swim in this weekend, because I had an opportunity to workout with a few of the National level coaches at Peddie Prep school, which is in my area. Not only was I keeping up, I left with only a few minor things to work on. Now we weren't racing, mind you, but a month ago I was struggling with a couple hundred yards at a time. The ST played a big part in that.


Not sure to highlight anymore in the new format so....."an extra 4000 yards..."

Okay, now you are annoying


Ok, upon a second reading, that was pretentious on my part. I did skip a 90 bike to swim that day and when they told me what we would be doing I was down right fearful I wouldn't be able to finish the workout. The fact that I did, amazes me. And the only reason I did, was because of the help I have received on this forum. It was meant as more of a, " Thank You" than a, " Look what I can do!"


I apologize if you mistook my tongue and cheek comment as anything but that. Your progress is awesome and in no way did it appear to be boastful. This is a place where one should feel proud to extoll accomplishments and share struggles too. I can personally share that it feels good to share something and have others appreciate it. It is a long season and we will all have our share of successes and struggles. So, keep up the awesome work along with the updates.


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Originally posted by poolgod

I am a month into my training program and it has me STing twice a week. It is just back and legs. Maybe 7 exersizes, three sets each. It takes about a half hour. What I am finding is that even though I have a pretty solid base of muscle, the slow lifts with light wieght are killing me. The plan also calls for 3-4 core exercise days as well. I credit these exercizes to my crazy advancement in the pool. And the better I get in the pool, the more I want to swim! I threw in an extra 4000 yard swim in this weekend, because I had an opportunity to workout with a few of the National level coaches at Peddie Prep school, which is in my area. Not only was I keeping up, I left with only a few minor things to work on. Now we weren't racing, mind you, but a month ago I was struggling with a couple hundred yards at a time. The ST played a big part in that.


Not sure to highlight anymore in the new format so....."an extra 4000 yards..."

Okay, now you are annoying


Ok, upon a second reading, that was pretentious on my part. I did skip a 90 bike to swim that day and when they told me what we would be doing I was down right fearful I wouldn't be able to finish the workout. The fact that I did, amazes me. And the only reason I did, was because of the help I have received on this forum. It was meant as more of a, " Thank You" than a, " Look what I can do!"


I apologize if you mistook my tongue and cheek comment as anything but that. Your progress is awesome and in no way did it appear to be boastful. This is a place where one should feel proud to extoll accomplishments and share struggles too. I can personally share that it feels good to share something and have others appreciate it. It is a long season and we will all have our share of successes and struggles. So, keep up the awesome work along with the updates.

X2!
No one else in my world (except my husband) gets a thrill from hearing a great workout report. Gotta share that great stuff somewhere!
2014-01-23 2:31 PM
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Hi All - regarding strength training - its reassuring to read squats, core, pushups, those-big-ball-things, hip raises, no weights etc as this is what I try to do. But I missed/didn't read anything on sets/reps/times per week. And typically should I only do ST in my off season/base phase or also continue throughout whole season?
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Scott14 - Finis makes a good paddle that gives feedback about hand entry and pull. They are yellow.

When you use a pull-buoy, are your times the same or faster than without one? If so, it would point to needing to get your hips up. Press down w/your chest, and keep your eyes looking at the bottom, mostly straight down. I'm a relatively slow/weak kicker, although I kick strong compared to most guys who come into swimming for triathlon purposes.

It sounds like you could work a little on technique and get that improved, which will help you go further with less effort.

I am a bilateral breather - taught myself to do that as an adult. A local tri person told me he picks races based on which side the buoys will be on - he only breathes on one side and wants to see it while breathing.
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Originally posted by poolgod

I am a month into my training program and it has me STing twice a week. It is just back and legs. Maybe 7 exersizes, three sets each. It takes about a half hour. What I am finding is that even though I have a pretty solid base of muscle, the slow lifts with light wieght are killing me. The plan also calls for 3-4 core exercise days as well. I credit these exercizes to my crazy advancement in the pool. And the better I get in the pool, the more I want to swim! I threw in an extra 4000 yard swim in this weekend, because I had an opportunity to workout with a few of the National level coaches at Peddie Prep school, which is in my area. Not only was I keeping up, I left with only a few minor things to work on. Now we weren't racing, mind you, but a month ago I was struggling with a couple hundred yards at a time. The ST played a big part in that.


Not sure to highlight anymore in the new format so....."an extra 4000 yards..."

Okay, now you are annoying


Ok, upon a second reading, that was pretentious on my part. I did skip a 90 bike to swim that day and when they told me what we would be doing I was down right fearful I wouldn't be able to finish the workout. The fact that I did, amazes me. And the only reason I did, was because of the help I have received on this forum. It was meant as more of a, " Thank You" than a, " Look what I can do!"


I apologize if you mistook my tongue and cheek comment as anything but that. Your progress is awesome and in no way did it appear to be boastful. This is a place where one should feel proud to extoll accomplishments and share struggles too. I can personally share that it feels good to share something and have others appreciate it. It is a long season and we will all have our share of successes and struggles. So, keep up the awesome work along with the updates.

No Worries. I am as new to these threads as I am to the pool. No apology necessary. I just wanted to make sure I wasnt, THAT GUY.
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Hi All - regarding strength training - its reassuring to read squats, core, pushups, those-big-ball-things, hip raises, no weights etc as this is what I try to do. But I missed/didn't read anything on sets/reps/times per week. And typically should I only do ST in my off season/base phase or also continue throughout whole season?


I do 3 circuits of between 12-15 reps per exercise with no rest between exercise and a brief rest between circuit. As an example, pushups (slowly) with feet on a bosum ball, some form of squat exercise (skier squat, cross over squat, sumo squat), 1 legged dead lift with dumbbell or 1 leg bridge, an exercise for back (pull up or 1 leg 1 arm row), planks, the superman thing for your lower back, and perhaps an exercise for biceps (I stand on the squishy thing with one leg at a time to help strengthen ankles and calves) or triceps (dumbbell French curls on the bosum ball).

Because of my ACL surgeries with the hamstring graft, I always try to do exercises for the hamstrings in addition to the above. One that is awesome is called a Nordic curl. Find a bench. Put weight on it. Put your ankles across the bottom of the bar so they are firmly held in place. Get the bosum ball and put it about arms length away. And try to lower yourself while keeping your back straight and stomach tight to the ball. This causes your hamstrings to fire. When you can't hold it..catch the bosum ball and push yourself back.

I can't say when you should do it...as your training plan may have a specific purpose but I do not see why strength training can't be used throughout.


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I am a bilateral breather - taught myself to do that as an adult. A local tri person told me he picks races based on which side the buoys will be on - he only breathes on one side and wants to see it while breathing.


That is key!! I breathe strictly right side. While I can breathe left, it is so unnatural feeling and therefore I only do it when forced. I wish my coaches as a kid had made me bilateral breathe, even all the drills in high school couldn't break me of it. Learn it early, make it a habit.

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I am a bilateral breather - taught myself to do that as an adult. A local tri person told me he picks races based on which side the buoys will be on - he only breathes on one side and wants to see it while breathing.


That is key!! I breathe strictly right side. While I can breathe left, it is so unnatural feeling and therefore I only do it when forced. I wish my coaches as a kid had made me bilateral breathe, even all the drills in high school couldn't break me of it. Learn it early, make it a habit.


I am an adult onset swimmer and have been fortunate to have been given some good instruction with lots of drills to help form. Lots of the drills have been to help with balance in the water...swimming on my side...sort of on my side, rotating back and forth etc... which may help you learn the feel of bilateral swimming more easily.
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Alright guys lets try and get the conversation in here going.  Who works strength training into their protocols?


Ughhhh I know I should be doing this but I'm not. It was easier when I was training with a team and we'd all be in the weight room doing the exercises together. Time to figure it out!
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Originally posted by kathleenkpI am a bilateral breather - taught myself to do that as an adult. A local tri person told me he picks races based on which side the buoys will be on - he only breathes on one side and wants to see it while breathing.
That is key!! I breathe strictly right side. While I can breathe left, it is so unnatural feeling and therefore I only do it when forced. I wish my coaches as a kid had made me bilateral breathe, even all the drills in high school couldn't break me of it. Learn it early, make it a habit.
I am an adult onset swimmer and have been fortunate to have been given some good instruction with lots of drills to help form. Lots of the drills have been to help with balance in the water...swimming on my side...sort of on my side, rotating back and forth etc... which may help you learn the feel of bilateral swimming more easily.

x2 on the drills to help you with this. Another one you might consider is six-kick switch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sqN3D7YCbZg

There are a couple variations on this but the idea is to get you rolling to both sides comfortably (which will also help you breathe to both sides).
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Poolgod - please feel comfortable sharing here! It's great to have a forum where we can talk about all the tri stuff that sometimes drives those around us a little crazy!

As for ST - I had been working out with a trainer for the past 4 years usually 2x/wk but I started seeing that he was not as good with my tri activities as he was when I was just running. I've gone to 2 classes now at a gym I just joined and on the lookout for a ST buddy. Fortunately my tri coach finishes up our Wed evening runs with some good core exercises and stretching. I need to get back on track with more ST.

Interesting what many of you are saying about less running yields better results. During my training for this past tri season (my first) some of my tri buddies told me to bike more and run less.....they said I was running too much. I did as they suggested and it definitely helped my running.

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Thanks for the info, will look into finding a pair of the paddles. When I swim with a pull buoy our with training fins I am faster and use much less energy than regular swimming. Problem is no matter how much I kick body position doesn't improve. Swam today and plan to go back tomorrow morning, will try your t ip on head position and pressing down with chest.
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Thanks for the info, will look into finding a pair of the paddles. When I swim with a pull buoy our with training fins I am faster and use much less energy than regular swimming. Problem is no matter how much I kick body position doesn't improve. Swam today and plan to go back tomorrow morning, will try your t ip on head position and pressing down with chest.


Scott - I second the chest thing - its sound weird to push your chest down in water while swimming but try to imagine your a peacock jutting its chest out and you'll be amazed how your hips seem to rise out of the water!!
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Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed
I really liked reading about bike conditioning helping the running. That's just what I need to hear!

I have a road bike on order, but my size (petite - ie short lady size) is back-ordered until the end of March. I do have a friends' bike to use (the one I crashed), but it is not a petite. So I can (and probably will) continue taking gym cycle classes for a while and see about getting back on the road occasionally with the big bike. My doctor cleared me from my wrist standpoint about a month ago to be back on the road, but my hand therapist (who is crazy about bikes, and I will be joining his riding groups) asked me to stay in the classes for a few more months until the roads improve. I see him tomorrow and will ask him about the sizing difference. I didn't know I'd need such a smaller bike. My friend who owns the bike is only 1/2" taller than me. I think it's probably too big for her, too. I can't wait to get back out there!
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