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gdsemiller - 2011-07-13 8:11 AM

Good Morning everyone.

Ok the camelback issue - Why is it called that? Is the hump on the camel where it retains it's water?   To answer these questions I found this:  

­­No -- a camel's hump is a giant mound of fat, actually. In a healthy, well-fed camel, the hump can weigh as much as 80 pounds (35 kilograms)!­ Human beings and most animals store­ their fat mixed in with muscle tissue or in a layer right beneath the skin. Camels are the only animals with a hump.

The hump allows a camel to survive an extremely long time (up to two weeks) without food if need be. Because camels typically live in the desert, where food can be scarce for long stretches, this is important.

So i guess if we put food in the camelback that Jeff uses then it should be called a camelback, but since it's water it should be walled waterback

I hope everyone has a great day

Very precise George! The history of the Camelbak (from memory, I'll look it up later) I think goes back to the Hotter N Hell, a former EMT conceived the idea while administering IV fluids to dehydrated riders. I think the originals were simply IV bags with a drinking tube. I have one of the earlier ones which had narrow straps and a basic thin bag to hold the bladder. I added an additional shell with some little pockets and wider/softer straps. Since then there is a nearly overwhelming variety of the camelbaks and copy cats. The popular perception of the camels hump is about water not food, hence the name. I am a substance abuse counsellor and I can tell you the camel symbol has been floating around various recovery circles for a while because; A Camel can go "24 hours without a drink"



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JOHANNE -

Ahhh, NOW I understand the method in the madness of handing your swim stuff to Dave. And it's not madness at all, just perfectly sound and sensible.

I mentioned that thought about drinking early on the bike just becasue. If you've grown used to hydrating throughout your training rides, then keep with that plan at Vineman. Eschew early drinking doesn't do much other than allow one to focus on actual cycling and getting into a rhythm, as opposed to messing around with bottles. Ultimately you save yourself just a few seconds overall by waiting to start drinking, and over the course of a half-iron that really doesn't matter too much!

However, as a strategy it does have some small benefits, and "going forward" with other races in future you might want to consider it. Or not!

The other thing, about getting out of the saddle a couple of times over the final mile, should help and is worth doing -- if you can remember it. I have been preaching it and employing it myself for several years -- when I remember, which isn't always. DOH!

When are you heading there? Also, what is your race number and/or last name. I probably have the latter somewhere (but am too lazy to search back through the pages here!), and want it so I can follow you on Athlete Tracker. Vicarious thrills, you know?


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stevebradley - 2011-07-14 6:13 AM JOHANNE - Ahhh, NOW I understand the method in the madness of handing your swim stuff to Dave. And it's not madness at all, just perfectly sound and sensible. I mentioned that thought about drinking early on the bike just becasue. If you've grown used to hydrating throughout your training rides, then keep with that plan at Vineman. Eschew early drinking doesn't do much other than allow one to focus on actual cycling and getting into a rhythm, as opposed to messing around with bottles. Ultimately you save yourself just a few seconds overall by waiting to start drinking, and over the course of a half-iron that really doesn't matter too much! However, as a strategy it does have some small benefits, and "going forward" with other races in future you might want to consider it. Or not! The other thing, about getting out of the saddle a couple of times over the final mile, should help and is worth doing -- if you can remember it. I have been preaching it and employing it myself for several years -- when I remember, which isn't always. DOH! When are you heading there? Also, what is your race number and/or last name. I probably have the latter somewhere (but am too lazy to search back through the pages here!), and want it so I can follow you on Athlete Tracker. Vicarious thrills, you know?

All good advice! Thanks for that

Johanne Roberts #1208

We are heading up Friday evening after Dave gets off work. There are a few other events going on in the Sonoma/Napa area so we had a 2 night minimum at our hotel. Saturday morning we're going to get up and go for a swim at the river so I get a feel for it. Then I have a mandatory athletes meeting before picking up my race packet. Two of my kids, I should say young adults, are coming with us so we're going to try to catch the Harry Potter movie in the afternoon. Then up bright and early Sunday for the race. I'm totally lucking out with the weather. High of 83!

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Johanne,

Sounds like a great weekend, good luck in the race.

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Johanne - Good luck with your race on Sunday.

Anyone else racing this weekend?

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gdsemiller - 2011-07-14 12:33 PM

Johanne - Good luck with your race on Sunday.

Anyone else racing this weekend?

100k Bike rally+ brick run. Looking for a little more speed and nutrition work. The routes are actually a 110K and a 90K....kinda stumped which one to pick, leaning toward the 90 since wife will be waiting at the finish.



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Sprint Tri this weekend...last one of the year before my Oly in October. I was supposed to race on July 23rd, but that was cancelled and was able to move to this race. Water temp right now is 88*, so I may get water burn...either that or I will throw some shrimp in my pocket for an after swim snack!
  • ...it will be cooked by then! 750m swim, 16mi bike, 5k run....shooting for a 1:42:38 finish or better...as long as I don't blow the swim again! Good luck to all racing this weekend.
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    Jeff - Good luck with your long distance this weekend.

    David - Good luck with the shrimp boil. Now if you threw in some crabs and crawfish then I might have to meet you at the finish line with a nice cold beer and a slice of keylime pie.

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    JOHANNE -

    No, I did NOT know it was Roberts, as I would've remembered that seeing as how it was my mom's real surname. Her brother had one son (along with a gaggle of daughters), and he was a Dave. David Roberts. Small world! (Must be a fairly common name, though.)

    I will have to re-check this, but Denise in my other group is doing her first iron this wekend, that one being Racine, and I think her number is 1209. The small world shrinks some more!


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    stevebradley - 2011-07-08 12:03 AM ALEX - I have a few thoughts on getting faster in the water........but remember, I'm the guy who has languished on the same swim plateau for about a decade now! ....... ? First, it might not be such a bad thing that you're stuck, because it will give you some more time to work on your technique, making sure it's as error-free as possible. That may sound facetious, but it's not. It's good, too, that you seem aware of when your form is falling apart, and to your huge credit it sounds as if you have backed off any speed experiements as soon as that (form falling apart) happens. In my own infinite dopery, I pushed too fast to try to swim too fast, with the result being that I successfully implanted any number of bad habits, which haunt me still. Waaaahhhh! Second, there are a few things you can examine about yourself and your technique, and epending on what you find you can have some areas on which to work judiciously. So, I guess I will list a few of them here and now. (1) When you swim, do you sense any "dead spots", that is, brief moments in each stroke cycle when your forward momentum is slightly decreased? For a lot of people, it is the interlude when one hand is extended, but hasn't begun the pull phase, while the other hand has exited the water and is providing no propulsion of its own. Let me know if you sense any dead spots. (2) How hard do you kick....and do you think it helps? If the answers are "fairly" and "not really", respectively, then do a littl;e test for me. Sit on the floor with your back supported by a wall, and stretch your legs straight out with the backs of them pressing the floor. Now, try to point your toes to the opposite wall, and see how successful you are at this. If you can do it, you have good plantar flexion and thus have the ability to affect a decent good. If your toes won;t point to that far wall without your legs trying to lift off the floor, then your plantar flexion might not allow you to kick truly effectively. This is because your feet will mostly point straight to the bottom of the pool or lake, and act more like a rudder than an ewfficient flutterer. The other way to think of plantar flexion is that it's what ballerinas do so well when they have to go "en pointe". Let me know how your ankle flexion is (mine is poor, and I am a dorsiflexer -- not good for swim kicking purposes!) (3) Do you have a sense as to how high your elbows are while you're pulling? Try to figure this out, and that's really just seeing whether or not you have a good bend in your elbow as you start the catch and pull. Mnay people suffer from "dropped" elbows during the pull, and thus lose a huge amount of pulling ability as their hand and forearm no longer function as a powerful lever. (4) Related to #3, do you feel that your hand/arm kind of "slide" through the water, as opposed to pushing against it? While the sliding is easier, it is also much slower. There are ways to improve this, but for me it's been a very looooong journey to do so! (5) What is your cadence for one length of a 25m or 25yd pool. Count both hands as they enter, and let me know. many people have a very slow cadence, and that can lead to dead spots -- especially if their kick is poor (See me raise my habnd about this one!) There is much to be said for energy efficiency in having a low stroke count, but I really think it has to be balanced with a consistent and steady propulsive kick; otherwise, beware the dead spots! I have asked a bunch of questions there, but while you're doing thr research and composing the answers, play around with speed over very short distances. i'm thinking for isolated 25m lengths, or ebven less -- maybe just half a pool-length. This will be enough to give you a sense of what might work, without running a serious risk of losing good parts of your form. And, of course, each of the fast(er) efforts should be split from the next by several lengths of your tried-and-true "good" form -- just to keep those muscle memories intact. So, what to play with? Try increasing your cadence. If you find you do 22 strokes per length, try 23 or 24 and see how that feels. Alos, try to alter your pull so that you are utilizing your bast pulling surface -- that would be the hand and forearm as one contiguous fulcrum. which can only happen when the elbow is hig during the pull. Do you ever do the "fist drill"? This is when you make fists and swim without opening them. Do them just one or two lengths at a time, and your focus should be on feeling the ater against your forearms, which is about the right amount of pressure you should be feeling when you swim normally, but effectively-normally. It's late, and I've rambled lots, and hopefully some of the above will make sense to you. If not, PLEASE ask me to explain it again!!

    STEVE-
    Finally got around to getting some of the information...
    1.  I think my only dead spot is on my left arm just before it exits the water.
    2.  I have pretty good ankle flexion but I do try and avoid kicking too much as I want to "save my legs" for the bike and run.
    3.  When my form starts to go, this is the first thing I notice -- my arms are definitely straighter in the water on the pull.
    4.  I don't think that they slide through the water.  I feel like most of the time I have a pretty good  catch.
    5.  I have to remember to do this count.  When I try to speed up my arm cadence I notice that my form falls apart much more quickly.

    I think part of my problem is core strength.  as I get tired, I get more loose in my body rotation.  I have also noticed that I don't get the same rotation (not sure that is the right word) with my left shoulder.  My left shoulder doesn't seem to be as flexible as my right so when it comes out of the water it seems to drag... 

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    ------------------------------------ JOHANNE AT VINEMAN 70.3!!!! --------------------------------------------


    ------------------------------------ JEFF'S CENTURY + BRICK + NUTRITION CHECK!!!! ----------------------------


    ------------------------------------ DAVID'S SPRINT-AS-TUNE-UP-FOR-OLY!!!!! ---------------------------------



    Have great days pushing those limits, testing those goals. See you on the report side of things!!





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    Mine went ok, wife had a schedule change and had to be at work in Plano so I took the 60k route instead and did the 2 mile brick. I held a 20 mph average for an hour finished with slightly over 18 mph avg That ride was uneventful, skipped all the rest stops. The brick went smooth. Tomorow I will get a longer ride after my swim
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    1 hour swim this morning. The lake is low and the water temp felt like bath water it was so hot. That took a little more out of me than I expected. On my 12 mile run tonight I felt great up to mile nine and began to fade a little, some where in that range I began to have pain in my lower jaw, in the "meaty areas" if that makes sense, it would stop when I walked, come back when i ran, I was feeling weak, stopped for a 3rd bottle of water at a convenience store and finished that on the last 1.5 miles, the pain went away and I recovered fairly quickly after I cooled off. Weird, I'm guessing it was dehydration since that last bottle seemed to perk me up. We are on day 19 over 100 degrees.
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    Finished Vineman 70.3 in 7:22! Faster then I was expecting. It was a fun, fun day. I'll try to get my race report up today
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    Here is a quick breakdown of my Sprint this past Sunday....beat overall goal time by roughly 2 minutes.

    Swim: 21:47 (Better than last time...felt more comfortable in the water and didn't resort to backstroke at all!!)
    T1: 01:54
    Bike: 49:33 (Averaged about 1mph fast than goal of 18mph...really pushed harder than I should have on this leg)
    T2: 01:16
    Run: 26:19 (Didn't get to my goal of 8min/mile, but after pushing on the bike and the hilly run course...felt good that I ran this fast)
    Total: 01:40:52
    15/18 Age Group
    120/171 Overall Male

    All-in-all it was a good race. Still need to work on my swim technique and a new bike will be coming soon before Pinehurst. Race report is up if you are interested in reading more!

    David

    Johanne...great job on the HIM!!!!!!
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    ALEX -


    Seeing as how I asked and you provided, I'd better go forward, huh? Okey-dokey!

    Saving the best for last.........
    3. Me too, and I think many people as well. It probably ranks up there with sinking hips. Not much to be done about it beyond being aware and trying to self-correct. Better that, though, than to sense you are going backwards and have no idea why!
    5. Me too, again. I worked hard in the off-season to increase cadence without the form falling apart (as quickly as before), and think I made progress. My postion with that is similar to how I cycle and sometimes run-- in spurts. that is, I push it until things don't seem right (which with the swim would be form falling apart), then back off and regroup before sallying forth again with faster arm turnover.
    4. EXCELLENT!
    2. For people who have good ankle flexion, it is worth trying to get some benefits from kicking. Yes, it is good to save youre legs for when you're beack on terra firma, but it's quite possible you have a secret weapon that could nab you some decent time gains. remember, a good kick deosn't have to be hard, it just has to be efficient. the best kickers geenrate the movement from their hips, and so the entire leg all the way down to the toes is one nice, straight propulsive paddle. So, when next in the pool try some kick sets, maybe with one of the kickboards that isolates everything from the waist up. Think about kicking from the hips, and also not flexing your knees much at all; absolutely minimal is best. Do a couple of warm-up 25s, then rest a bit, then try one for time. Rest some more, and try another timed 25. Let me know your times, okay?
    1. Good observation, and here's what you can try -- single-arm drills! This would be sets of 25, alternating arms each length. Let your non-stroking hand remain at full extension in front of you, and use your body roll and your kick to propel you -- along with the hard-working arm, of course! Do it with the right arm first, so you have a sense of what no-dead-spot feels like. Rest about 20-30s, then come back with the "lazy" left arm. If you really have a one-arm dead spot, it will stand out glaringly with this drill. One problem with the drill, though, is having to breathe to your strange side, if you are a unilateral breather. For me, I can breathe to the left, but it just isn't as efficient and clean as to the right....so that immediately puts that side as a weaker side. But try it anyhow, and see what happens. And if you have trouble getting enough forward motion with just one arm working at a time, use fins.

    Finally, the unnumbered one about core and your shoulder differences....and I will think about the latter aspect some more. As for core, though, it is key to strong swimming -- but also has to be generated correctly. That is, some people have great core strength but don't know how to set up their "kinetic chain" (that's a Total Immersion concept) efficiently. And as you might guess, some peole have fairly poor core strength....but what they have they manage to utilze 100% correctly so it is highly effective anyhow. Lucky them!







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    JEFF -

    Ya got me with the jaw problem. I generally think I'm the first kid on the block to collecet all the injuries, but that's a new one on me! I'm glad you resolved, and hopefully it will be a "one-and-out" fro the rest of your days.

    Yes, bathwater swims are very disconcerting. I've had but a few in nature, but have suffered mightily on a few occasions when I have worn a wetsuit in an indoor pool. I suppose that's less like bathwater than being in a sauna, and no way is it comfortable to swim in. Beyond that, it feelsa almopst dangerous; I guess USAT knows what they're doing when they make wetsuits illegal once the water temp is 78 or higher. Mercy!

    You are doing a remarkable job of knocking off those longish runs in hellacious conditions. I genuflect in your general direction!


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    JOHANNE -

    It'll be a race to see what's available to me first -- your report, or the results from Ironman Live. I am able to se the results from Racine, and could even last night, but for Vineman I'm told that Internet Explorer cannot display that page. Grrr! the only thing I can think of is that there was some big kerfuffle with the results and they are still sorting it out. Have you seen the official results yet, with splits and all? Grrr again!

    ANYHOW, I'm thrilled it was "fun,fun" for you, and am REALLY looking forward to the report!





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    DAVID -

    EXCELLENT!! Beating one's goal time by two minutes is pretty huge, so you have every reason to be pleased with it. Woo-hoo!

    The thing about your bike pace being too hard is one of those situations where it will eventually sort itself out with time and experience. It took me many races to work out those balances, and that was all over a few-years span. I suspect you'll keep whittling away at the balance, but a complete resolution may take a while, so be patient and don't beat up on yourself if you continue to have races where you struggle some on the run and figure it is because of how hard you rode the bike.

    Great work on the swim, showing a time improvement AND keeping your face pointing anywhere but straight up! And great, too, that you can be happy with your effrot on the run even though you missed your goal. To have goals as black and white is all-too-often counterproductive, so having that "flex" in your run goal allows you to enjoy a somewhat vast gray area of what is acceptable to you. Nice maturity, terrific psychological survival skill!

    Transition times look stellar -- especially T2!!

    Finally, try not to disappear for so long this time, okay?




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    Johanne,  Great job!! It's also wonderul that you enjoyed it.

    David,  They are pretty good times. I can only dream of an 8 minute mile on the run.

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    My race report is up!

    http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=261382&posts=1#M3603822

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    David - Great job on your race and PR.  

    Johanne - Great Job on your HIM

    Ok Johanne put it in her race report so I have to ask. I was told on the long distance races, if you have to stop and make a tee tee break, you just do it in your shorts while riding.  Is this a common thing? I think it would be hard mentally to go, but it might feel pretty good.

    I hope everyone is having a great week. 

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    gdsemiller - 2011-07-19 4:53 PM

    David - Great job on your race and PR.  

    Johanne - Great Job on your HIM

    Ok Johanne put it in her race report so I have to ask. I was told on the long distance races, if you have to stop and make a tee tee break, you just do it in your shorts while riding.  Is this a common thing? I think it would be hard mentally to go, but it might feel pretty good.

    I hope everyone is having a great week. 

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