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David - Great job on your race and PR.  

Johanne - Great Job on your HIM

Ok Johanne put it in her race report so I have to ask. I was told on the long distance races, if you have to stop and make a tee tee break, you just do it in your shorts while riding.  Is this a common thing? I think it would be hard mentally to go, but it might feel pretty good.

I hope everyone is having a great week. 

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Is the guy at the back of the line a Johnny Hoogerland fan? (his tattoo)



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David - Great job on your race and PR.  

Johanne - Great Job on your HIM

Ok Johanne put it in her race report so I have to ask. I was told on the long distance races, if you have to stop and make a tee tee break, you just do it in your shorts while riding.  Is this a common thing? I think it would be hard mentally to go, but it might feel pretty good.

I hope everyone is having a great week. 

George, 

I know that some people will just go on the bike but I just couldn't bring myself to do that. I was a little grossed out by the idea and I wasn't sure if it would cause a problem on the run! I don't know how common it is but I'm just not that hard core yet

It looks like you are back in the swing of training and enjoying it and life!

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JOHANNE -

Argghh! Nothing is working! I can't link to the report, but will kepe trying. If I fail tonight, I will track it down on one of the high-speed computers at an Ottawa library tomorrow.

BRAINSTORM! I gave up on Ironamn Live two days ago, but maybe I should go back there now. DOH!

How is your body now, 48+ hours after the fact? This is the prime time for DOMS to lay seige to you if they are going to, so if all is mostly okay in terms of residual muscle agony, you've probably avoided it. WHEW!!


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GEORGE -

I have long been a pro at peeing in my wetsuit, but have never done it on the bike. Or the run, either. At Ironman Lake Placid in '04 I really wanted to be able to do it on the bike, but couldn't manage it. I finally pulled over to a roadside pull-out parking area and went into the shrubbery -- along with about 15 other guys. I think my big problem is worrying about washing off my saddle satisfactorily. It's easy with a wetsuit (rinse cycle begins during the swim itself! ), but the saddle is more problematic.

A woman from my other active group did Racine 70.3 on Sunday, and as with JOHANNE and Vineman 70.3, it was her first half-iron. She commented that she peed at 5:45 in the morning and then not again until about 7:30 p.m., which seemed very strange given how well she thought she hydrated. Well, that's my more common experience with HIM -- going many, many hours without urinating. I'm sure it is very telling of something or other, but I've never bothered to figure it out. I guess I should........but probably don't really want to know the answer, which likely has to do with extreme physiological stress or something equally portentous .


2011-07-19 10:27 PM
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stevebradley - 2011-07-19 8:14 PM JOHANNE - Argghh! Nothing is working! I can't link to the report, but will kepe trying. If I fail tonight, I will track it down on one of the high-speed computers at an Ottawa library tomorrow. BRAINSTORM! I gave up on Ironamn Live two days ago, but maybe I should go back there now. DOH! How is your body now, 48+ hours after the fact? This is the prime time for DOMS to lay seige to you if they are going to, so if all is mostly okay in terms of residual muscle agony, you've probably avoided it. WHEW!!

If you click on races below, it should go to my race list. Vineman is there and if you click on that, it goes to my rr. Would that work or is it more of a slow internet problem?

For this race, I've avoided DOMS. I feel better today then yesterday. So yea!

2011-07-19 10:31 PM
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stevebradley - 2011-07-19 8:23 PM GEORGE - I have long been a pro at peeing in my wetsuit, but have never done it on the bike. Or the run, either. At Ironman Lake Placid in '04 I really wanted to be able to do it on the bike, but couldn't manage it. I finally pulled over to a roadside pull-out parking area and went into the shrubbery -- along with about 15 other guys. I think my big problem is worrying about washing off my saddle satisfactorily. It's easy with a wetsuit (rinse cycle begins during the swim itself! ), but the saddle is more problematic. A woman from my other active group did Racine 70.3 on Sunday, and as with JOHANNE and Vineman 70.3, it was her first half-iron. She commented that she peed at 5:45 in the morning and then not again until about 7:30 p.m., which seemed very strange given how well she thought she hydrated. Well, that's my more common experience with HIM -- going many, many hours without urinating. I'm sure it is very telling of something or other, but I've never bothered to figure it out. I guess I should........but probably don't really want to know the answer, which likely has to do with extreme physiological stress or something equally portentous .

I drank water, coffee and my nutrition bottle before the swim and I think I peed in the river 3 times After using the portapotty in T2 and drinking a bunch during the run, I didn't really have to go again for another 3 hours. It seems like it's so hard to know when you've had too much or too little to drink until it's too late.



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JOHANNE -

Fourth time was the charm (probably mistyped the previous attempts). And why I didn't think to try ot through your race link below, I'll nvere know. Maybe being 62 is exacting its toll on me!!

Wonderful report, and it really sounds as if you executing things to perfection. That starts with the early wake-up, and the forcing down of a very solid pre-race meal, and getting to the site early enought to avoid traffic problems, and nabbing an ideal transition spot for your needs.

The you studied the preceding swims to figure out a starting spot, and once that was set you had the presence of mind to keep getting onto other swimmers' feet and catching their draft. Much is made about finding a good pair of feet and sticking to them, but equally good is speeding up to catch the draft, rsting some while in it, and then when you're dropped you put forth that effort again to get a new pair to latch onto.

Great bike ride, and yes -- that course sound ideal by virtue of having the first five miles or so flat. Throughout, too, you did a really good job of nutrition. I have said before that that is a weakl spot for me in half-irons, as I don't force myself to eat or drink when it seems I don't want to at all. Of course, I pay some price later, and maybe your dogged attitude saved you paying a similar price.

Your transitions were bery good, methodical and no stones unturned. And having contact with the family was extra sweet!

Pleas don't be self-critical about not being tough enough ("buck up") on the run. that will come as you do more half-irons --- which, correct me if I'm wrong, but I sense you will do more of them! (FWIW, I often use the road cyclists' mantra, the acronym HTFU. Do you know what that is, or can you figure it out? (Hint: The first two latters stand for Harden The....and the last two rhyme with "buck up". ) Yours probably works just as well, but just so you know, many roadies wear plastic bracelets with HTFU on them.

So! Super race execution, and I think with such meticulous attention to deatial ou have a future at thois dustance if you choose to pursue. So much of mong-duistance racing is the disciplined planning and execution of the plan, and you did that in spades. Huge congratulations, Johanne!!!!!


2011-07-19 10:48 PM
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JOHANNE again -

Further the comments from a few days ago about the Roberts coincidence, my mother's real name was Laura Roberts. Her brother's son was David.

Great on feeling better today than yesterday -- further proof that you might have a grand future with half-irons! As for peeing THREE times in the river (Russian River, yes?) --- you're a natural!!!



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stevebradley - 2011-07-19 12:20 AM
DAVID -
Finally, try not to disappear for so long this time, okay?

Steve,
Thanks for the review! I do plan on popping in a little more often now....the last couple of months have been pretty busy just keeping up with training, work and everyday family life. I am looking forward to training straight for the next 2 months for Pinehurst.

By the way, I have finally saved up enough $$ to go look for a new bike...which I am really excited about. I am going to try to get out to Trysports this week and start the process. The best thing about buying a bike from these guys is they throw in a professional fitting and free bike maintenance for life (once a year I believe). I stopped in a couple of months ago just to get an idea on pricing and now I am ready to pull the trigger. I really want to have something in the next couple of weeks so I can get some road time on her before Pinehurst. I really think this will help on my bike times, although I have been improving from race to race. I'll keep everyone updated!

David


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So, I found out that the Mossman Park City Oly has an Aqua-Bike as well as the full Tri... it is August 21st... I am already scheduled to do the Litchfield Hills Aqua-Bike but the Mossman would be a better bike ride for me as it is flatter... do I cancel the Litchfield Hills and go with the Mossman???  Or do I stick with the Litchfield event and take on the challenge of a very hilly/challenging bike course???

 

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Hello Everyone,

Thanks for the tee tee info and Jeff that was a funny photo, what does the leader say tee tee break and the entire race pulls over I dont think I will be one of those that lets go on the bike or the run like poopyman IMFL, Yuck...

Well I signed up for my next sprint race today which will be held on Aug 13th at Guntervilles Al.  I hear its a great flat, fast course, so I should finish up under 3 hours   Its a 600yd swim, 16.2 bike and 3.1 run



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"crewed" for Gerry Tatrai on RAAM one year, he could stand on the pedals and pee on the road without a drop on him or the bicycle, usually in a nice straight line on the pavement too, as he got tired the line would weave a but, still impressive though.

I used to practice this but was never as adroit as he.

2011-07-20 3:18 PM
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stevebradley - 2011-07-19 10:23 PM GEORGE - I finally pulled over to a roadside pull-out parking area 

This is a brilliant turn of phrase given the subject matter

2011-07-20 3:20 PM
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This is pretty much how it is done:

 

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2011-07-20 6:41 PM
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I'm back from Europe.  We did Barcelona ant Monserrat in Spain, Toulon and Marseilles in France, Cittivechia, Rome, Venice, Naples, Florence, Sorrento, Levorno, Pisa, and Amalfi in Italy, Dubrovnik and Ctavat in Croatia, and Kotor and Budva in Montenegro.  it was the trip of a lifetime, but not relaxing.   I managed to get all of my workouts in but one, which was no small feat.  

I am climbing Mt. Rainier with my son this weekend, I'll let you all know how the triathlon training transfers to a 3 day mountaineering slog up 14,000 feet.  

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ALEX -

GO WITH YOUR HEART! And view it as a pleasant dilemma, a win-win where there are benefits to both races. The only downsides are those that aren't as preferable as the upsides of the other race!

Really, if you are feeling that you are more comfortable with the Mossman course than the Litchfield one, and if you are content enough with eating the Litchfield fee, then do Mossman. As you continue with this triathlon silliness, two things will become apparant: (1) there are many cases in which one race is superseded by the more fetching charms of a second, and (2) eating race fees can be habit-forming. I have eaten many race fees in my time, and one of my prevailing goals is to eliminate this entirely. Last year was perfect (yay for me!!), but this year far less so; I think I'm at 2 or 3 already.

I can give you several arguments both ways for Litchfield vs. Mossman, but in the final analysis and at this stage of your "career" it is probably best to do what I suggested at the outset -- GO WITH YOUR HEART!




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ALEX again -

Are you still doing She Rox? if not, maybe check out Fronhofer Tool Triathlon, Aug 6, Cambridge, NY/ It's about 30 miles SE of Sartoga Springs, so maybe 2.5 hours from you? There is an oly at 7 and a sprint at 2. I did both last year -- the FTT Double -- and three years ago I did the oly. Great people, nice venue, good sprint course with only one gnarlyish hill at about mile 3 of the bike. Price is right, too. Info at www.fronhofertooltriathlon.com.

I'm hoping to be recovered enough to do justice to West Point on Aug 14, and if I'm seeming to be doing extra well, I will do the FTT sprint. It's good for me because it doesn't require overnighting, just a drive down in the a.m. and a drive back after the race. More races should have mid-afternoon starts, I think!







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DAVID -

Cool beans about getting a new bike. Woo-hoo! It will almost certainly make a big difference in your bike times, and having a pro fitting and annual tune-ups is are very nice add-ons. My bike shop did the same for me, and I especially love the tune-ups (mine are "unlimited", but i keep them at 2 a year, most years).

My best bike fitting ever was at a place called Fit-Werx, in central Vermont. I had a Cervelo then, and have another now, and while that is a good bike for me, it might not be for you. The fitter there told me that based on a person's "geometry", some bikes will work and others won't. Right now I can't remember the ones that did not have geometries that would best accommodate my own geometry, but at least Cervelo was one that would.

ANYHOW, try not to go into this with one or two makes and models in your sights, but rather wait and see what the bike shop suggests. It is very easy to get caught up in all the hype about certain bikes (Cervelo gets a lot of attention in this regard), but what you hear most about just might not be the one that best suits you. Kind of like running shoes....or wetsuits....or nutritional stuff....or.....or....or.......

PINEHURST OR BUST!!!!




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GEORGE -

Good stuff with the Guntervilles race. You're back in the competitive saddle!



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JEFF -

I guess we all bring our own curious skill sets to this stuff, huh?


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GENE -

What a trip, and congrats on fitting in all-but-one of the workouts! As for Mt. Rainier, though, that'll be quite the test. How does your system handle altitude??




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Good Morning Everyone,

I have a group question.  I have seen this rule over and over and this morning I was reading the USAT magazine and it had it in there so my question is about the rule with having the ends of your bars capped.  Is there a reason they have to be capped?

Gene, man you are really making me jealous. First you go on this awesome Europe trip and now a Mountain climb, all I can say is AWESOME.  I would love to go to Europe and anything to do with Mountains has me.  I love hiking, camping anything to get me back to nature.  Me and some friends started a yearly hike, but it only lasted 2 years and I need to get the mojo out there again to start it back up, but we would go up to the Appalachian Trail starting in Georgia and would hike about 3 days and head back home, the next year we would go for another 3 days and start where we left off the year before.  The idea was to hike the entire trail in Georgia.  Again we only did that twice (well they did twice and I did it once), but we have not been back in about 2 years   I have on my bucket list to hike the entire GA trail and would like to do the entire trial one day. If the guys opt out of this the I might wait until my son is older and make it a father and son bucket list.  Anyway I am jealous and I'm glad you are having fun.  Keep on living the life and training.

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STEVE - Yes I am still planning the to do the SheRox in Philly.  My friend is coming up from Florida, I have changed back to doing the Sprint this Sunday here in CT, I was suppose to go down to Florida but my friend can't do the race so I am putting off the trip until Oct.

I agree about the mid-afternoon starts... though I am getting used to being up in the early morning.. I have even started my workouts in the AM rather then after work...

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Alex, my feeling in picking your races is, if you have hills you can train on and you want the challenge then do that. If you want to work more on your speed and being efficient then do the flatter tri. I agree with Steve to go with your gut.

Gene, sounds like you had a great trip and great for you to get your workouts in! Were you able to do some of your running outdoors? I bet there was some great scenery.

George, about the rule.....from what I understand, it's a safety issue. Without caps to stop it you can get a nasty puncture right in the gut if you have a wreck.

Steve, how are you feeling? Is the body holding up?

I started a new plan this week. Since I'm still recovering from last weekend I'll change it a little. Today I'm supposed to do an hour run and an hour easy spin on the bike. I think I'll see how the run feels and shorten it if I need to. The bike should be ok.

Happy training,

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GEORGE -

Before too many more races you'll hear a pre-race announcement that uses the term "core sample" in explaining why bar ends must be capped. This refers to geologists and soil scientists who use a hollow tube to ram into a substarte, and then when they extract it they get a nice vertical-based sample. So, the reason for caps on bar ends is to prevent "core samples" being taken during a race -- of oneself, or another rider who might be rammed. Kinda makes road rash seem like a mosquito bite!

Of course, bikes (such as mine) with shifters on the bar ends don't have to worry about this -- although theoretically one of thsie shifters could penetrate skin, I think. And then there are clip-on aero bars that are one looped piece, and the front end of those is always rounded. To be rammed with that set-up would have about as much of a chance of penetration as being "stabbed" by a basketball!






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