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2011-08-10 7:49 AM
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------------------------------------- THOUGHTS ON A CLOSE CALL YESTERDAY -----------------------------------------

Riding on a crappy road in light drizzle yesterday afternoon, I saw a sign for "construction". Shortly after, i passed a worker on my side of the raod, sitting on a pylon, and I wondered if he was a signal guy. He wasn't doing anything, so in a quick sereis of ill-formed thougyts I wondered if his day was done and he was wiating for a ride back from the site. End of related thoughts.

Less than a minute later the raod swooped down and to the left, and as I entered the descent I saw a truck approaching in my lane, and taking up all of it (there were construction trucks in the other lane). I braked, skidded and fish-tailed, repeated that again, and as the truck kept coming I did the only thing I could ---- head onto the very rough shoulder, weedy and rutted. That got me out of the path of the truck (and a car behind it), and I satyed upright until I stopped, and thentipped over to my left. No damage to me.

I was too sahken, though, to get my act together and ask the falgamn at that end what the hell had happened, why he either wasn't told I was coming, or why he chose to ignore that and send the truck and car around the parked trucks in my lane (as I didn't see the first guy do anything, I assume he didn't even radio that I was coming down). It wasn't until about 30 minutes later that I got really angry, but didn't return to let my feelings be known. Grrr!

What I maybe learned:
(1) Again, one can't count on others to protect us when we are riding; we have to actively look out for ourselves at all times.
(2) I identified the first guy as a signalman, but didn't bother to ask if everything was okay up ahead. Lynn thought that was an obvious thing to do, but it never crossed my mind.
(3) The roads were moist, and as usual I was riding with my brakes "wide open". This is a habit I have from races where I worry I might lose speed if my rims are rubbing on the pads, but there is no good earthly reason to do this on training rides. I sure would've braked more decisively had the brakes been tight.....but I also wonder whether it would've worsened my skids and fishtailing.
(4) The truck had to have seen me struggling to avoid a collision, but certainly didn't stop and maybe didn't even slow down. he might've known the car was behind him, but in any case it shows how small and even insignificant we cyclists can be in the eyes of motorists.

Positive notes:
(1) It's good that the lead vehicle was a heavy truck, which needed time to get up to speed on the hill after the signalman allowed him to go, because it wasn't coming too fast. A regular car, ticked at having to wait, might've gunned it up that slope. (But a regular car might not have taken up so much of my lane.)
(2) It's good that the raods were lousy, as that slowed me down considerably. Had I been "bombing" that hill........
(3) Instinctively, as I hit the shoulder I snapped my right foot out of the pedal, aware of an embankment and trees and stuff to my right. I guess this shows how mega-hours of riding can increase one's handling skills, and even behind the foot-freeing thing, I think I did a really good jobe of controlling myslef under huge duress. Whew!


Ride safe, gang!!








2011-08-10 9:14 AM
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GEORGE, yet again -

With all this talk about ruinnng long, I will FINALLY tell you how to get to those photos I have mentioned to you before. I think they first came up as a mention of great photos with sunflowers in the foreground, and then more recently as images of what a struggling runner looks like.

For all of them, click on the small image to get it larger, as a good part of all of the sides are missing in the small ones. This is good not only for the beauty of the flowers....but also to fully captivate my suffering.

So....
1.) www.brentdoscher.com
2.) click on "nuvision action image"
3.) click on "find your photos", top bar
4.) scroll to absolute bottom for 2010 photos
5.) the event was Half VT Journey, and is about the 7th from the top
6.) My bib was 152

There are two pages, with the sunflower ones at the end of the second page. I especially like the one in which I am grinning goofily towards the camera --- although i only vaguely remember seeing him in the field! (I like my calf definition on that one!!!)

All the bike ones are gfood, as I was riding hard and well. But tat explains why virtually all of the run ones are awful. Check my head (down); check my arms (low); check my gait (looking stiff). I manged to get it together for the finish, but of the other ten or so runs ones, I look like crap. And I too often felt like crap, too, although somehow I finished the run in a mostly acceptable 1:55 or so; it just seemed about three hours longer!

It's odd that my run time for my '09 HIM was only a few minutes faster than for Half VT, yet I felt so much better throughout. I should try to find those photos for comparison, as most of the run ones there are decent images of me, or at least they don't show me looking like I'm on death's doorstep!

If you get to them, uh, enjoy them. They are just a good object lesson in how suffering can look, but also show that a decent time can be posted by just perservering through the rough patches. It doesn't have to be pretty (although pretty sure is sweet!), and feeling like crap doesn't have to be the end of the world. And I should also add that there were several times I walked at half VT; I guess I had the sense to pick it up to a faux-run as I was approaching the camera guy!


2011-08-10 9:17 AM
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STEVE -- glad you are ok, sounds like great bike handling to me... I always hope that if I ever get caught in that type of situation my bike handling skills will be up for the challenge!

 

After my race on Sunday I have been down in the dumps with no energy to train at all.  After all of my other races I have been up for training again.  I think the swim really bummed me out.  I felt like it was such a struggle... it was only .37 miles but it took me longer to do that swim than the .5 miles 2 weeks ago.  I know the whole wetsuit vs. non-wetsuit makes a difference but I didn't know it would be such a struggle without the wetsuit.  I guess I need to get back in the pool and just keep working at it.  I have just lost my motivation for a few days and am struggling to get it back!

Thanks for listening to me sob...  Yell

2011-08-10 9:55 AM
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ALEX -

My pleasure!

Remember, don't get hung up on comparing distances and times, especially for swims. My good betting money says that one of those two races had a mis-measured swim, and it could be that the first was really .45....and maybe Sunday's was .50! Seriously! What is slightly more useful, if the numbers are big enough for decent sample sizes, if to compare you overall placement -- and if you do that, factor in just women for the previous one to SheRox.

As for wetsuits, well, She Rox cewrtainly favored the women who don't own a wetsuit or seldom wear the one they own. I KNOW I am doing myself a diservice by almost always doing my OWS in mine, but so far that has baeen fine as I have NEVER had a race that wasn't wetsuit-legal. That said, though, I am worried about West Point on Sunday; did I say this to you a few days ago? (If so, i apologize for repeating myself!)

About the flatness and disinterest in training --- accept it and embrace it! It's your body's (or brain's) way of saying that you need some down time, maybe because of some lingering disappointment, maybe because of the effects of traveling, and socializing with your friend. Overall, though, many people experience mid-season slumps, and you are fully entitled to one -- you have had a very busy and productive season.

So, just hang with it for a few days and see where you are come the weekend. If you feel some need to keep active, then make the workouts hardly workouts at all, but somehting easy and pleasurable and low-stress. No time goals allowed, and treat them as easy recovery episodes. And with Litchfield aqbk next up, you can take a complete pass on the run between now and then -- unless you feel that a run would be good for you, in which case do it!

As for Litchfield, i remember you were considering something in its palce -- or is Litchfield in place ofd somehing that once was???

Hang in there, Alex!


2011-08-10 9:59 AM
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Ha! I JUST realized that on my master list of races done, I had neglected to put down one I did in '08. I don't know how that has gone undetected for so long.....but is probably just an early-warning sign (viewed retroactively, of course) of eroding mental capabilities. Oh, noooooooo........!!!!!




2011-08-10 10:53 AM
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I had some extra time this morning so I decided to get my swim done early and free up my evening. I get to the pool only to find out it had been taken over my a bunch of old ladies jumping up and down in the water in time to music. Oh well...opportunity lost-lesson learned: read the schedule. (Rusty Hinges Water Aerobics) I should have gone for a ride.


2011-08-10 11:29 AM
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Hey Steve - whadya talkin' about?! Pix are fine! Hey, you are not crawlin', cryin' or pukin' so that is a good race!

And that bike scare--I didn't have a near crash like that to make me nervous (although a big wipe out is a big fear)... I had some yahoos once pass me so close that I swear they touched me from their truck! --as they threw bottles out their window at me. Made me so aware of cars/trucks passing me that I sometimes completely avoid busier roads that I used to ride.

2011-08-10 12:48 PM
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Car vs Bike-good reflexes steve

1992-hit a car that ran the sign in front of me, endod over the hood-trashed wheel, broken helmet assorted bruises

1994-2000 I think four crashes in road races and crits. Once there was a bad crash in the middle of the field somehow I rolled right over the front wheel of another rider who went down and managed to stay up-I remember the rider behind meg yelling "your still up your still up go go go!" At a road race in Lago Vista in a small crash I landed on top of another guy-which I recommend over the other way around, I got up and chased down the main field, when we came around on the next lap that guy was being airlifted out. another pretty interesting crash after I had stopped racing for a while I made a brief "come back" as a Cat 5, having not renewed my license. Some sort of really silly crash in a corner, slid quite a way on my hip, tore open my shorts and skin etc. 1999 Taken out, presumably on purpose, according to witnesses by a hit and run driver from behind, trashed rear wheel, 3rd degree separated clavicle and bad road rash. Knocked me out of my shoes which were still clipped to my pedals. I recall watching another car roll right over my new Oakley's and being mad about that. I credit my camelback with saving me from worse injuries-I think landing on my back with a cushion of water helped. About a dozen witnesses stopped-no one bothered to follow the guy who hit me and get a number or description . This was less than six weeks from The Bike Across Missouri which was to be my RAAM qualifier. I ended up just doing the half BAM- St Louis to KC. Once on a morning commute after a few weeks of constant rain I rolled through some mud and hit a long piece of rebar wich took me down in traffic, sprained my wrist and pride, but while standing there covered in mud re-grouping some girl rolls up and yells "I ran out of gas! what should I do?!" I pointed to the 7-11 in front of us.Late one night some body passed real close and spanked me, literally, as they passed me by. Had my shoulder brushed by rear view mirrors, bunny hopped a fallen rider in a rally someplace-Longview maybe, narrowly missing a bad wreck. Bunny hopped rail road tracks at 35 mph near Rockwall. The ride organizers had covered the tracks with carpet that had somehow got moved..this was sort of a rough crossing and came up on us quick, so several of us went airborne

In addition there are the usual hoots and hollers, occasionally saliva or beverage containers but that stuff is really pretty rare.  That year I didn't own a car, I rode exclusively everywhere anytime, I dealt with more of it. For training not as much. That represents over 20 years of racing and training experiences and at my peak 10k miles a year. I think given all that, cycling isn't as bad or as scary as people make it out to be. Few close calls and bad experiences can color your perception some but you also develop pretty good senses and reflexes sometimes I can tell by the sound a vehicle makes behind me if it is going to pass close or not. At night it was easier, if I were bathed in light or there were beams of light on either side of me I was in trouble, if the light were to my left I was probably ok

2011-08-10 1:16 PM
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Holy Bazooka Jeff! You are one lucky biking dude. Some scary stuff there.

But the spanking?! HA...hopefully it was some hot chick doing the paddling on you! LOL

2011-08-10 1:23 PM
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BbMoozer - 2011-08-10 1:16 PM

Holy Bazooka Jeff! You are one lucky biking dude. Some scary stuff there.

But the spanking?! HA...hopefully it was some hot chick doing the paddling on you! LOL

My post was intended to instill confidence ...that's allot of miles and allot of road racing, night time commutes and rallies-not relatively mild triathlons, and solo training rides and  is many years worth of experiences. Given the amount of risk exposure, the actual number and  severity of incidents are pretty low. I've scared myself in airplanes worse in less time.

2011-08-10 2:27 PM
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Av8rTx - 2011-08-10 1:23 PM
BbMoozer - 2011-08-10 1:16 PM

Holy Bazooka Jeff! You are one lucky biking dude. Some scary stuff there.

But the spanking?! HA...hopefully it was some hot chick doing the paddling on you! LOL

My post was intended to instill confidence ...that's allot of miles and allot of road racing, night time commutes and rallies-not relatively mild triathlons, and solo training rides and  is many years worth of experiences. Given the amount of risk exposure, the actual number and  severity of incidents are pretty low. I've scared myself in airplanes worse in less time.

well, I don't think that just because we bike that we are bound to crash...ok, so we may tumble from time to time (aka bike clip clutz moves) but I don't think if I were to bike every day from now til I was 90 that that would mean my chances of being mangled necessarily increases. But then again, its unlikely I'd be doing any serious racing and the like. Just dealing with some traffic and cars etc.. but not sure that is any safer either.

My son rides his BMX bike like a daredevil and I keep telling him if he'd ride more with his hands on the handlebars, he'd likely not crash as often LOL.  I used to ride without a helmut until a family friend had a really bad bike crash..concussion but he also punctured his lung (yeah, no bike helmut will fix that) but due to complications, he died. Made me realize that at the very least, I could take precautions that may or may not help the outcome. I also used to listen to music (same time I didn't wear a helmut) ... and thus, stopped that because it was just asking for trouble. I also have ridden pre-dawn hours and although I don't have a headlamp, I do wear reflective yellow gear and am very wary of cars. So... now that I've rambled my point is lost. I guess in the end, I may do stuff that can have risks ...like jumping out of an airplane (which I did once in an effort to face my fear of heights)...but don't think I'll let tarantulas crawl all over me to quell my phobia of spiders!!! So have fun kids, just take care in mind and body to protect your body and mind.



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SARAH and JEFF -

Aside from my big crash in '09, I've been fortunate. Part of that, though, is that the prevailing culture up here is very respectful towards cyclists. Only on a couple of occasions have I been honked at or hooted at, and have never had anything thrown at me. If cars have the option, 9 out of 10 will go at least partway across the center line in order to give cyclists a wide berth.

My big crash in '09 taught me the absilute usefulness of a helmet. Mine was dented and cracked on the side I smacked down on, and what would've happened to my helmetless head is too dire to think about for too long at one time. I had a whole series of concussions when I was a kid, but the one that could've happened two years ago would've put the childhood ones to shame. It is wequalyy impressive that the helmet stayed on my head, and also that all I suffered "uopp there" was a mild headache for about 18 hours.

Of xourse, as a kid in the 50s I never wore a helmet.....and had my share of bad crashes and all.....and lived to tell about it. But back then there were less cars on roads, and people drove slower, and no one was hellbound to textmessage while driving!! That last one rally scares me, as it has been outlawed here in Ontario -- menaing that people now text from the bottom of their steering wheel. it used to be that they would text at the top of the wheel, where at least they stood a chance of seeing a cyclist peripherally. But now?? Yikes.


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GEORGE!

Jeez, i ought to "jinx" myself like that more often. Meaning: in my first post to you this morning I mentioned that I would be thrilled with a 22:00 5km off the bike......and this evening I did one in 21:49. Not only that, but it was off a ride that was 16.4 miles in 45:15, which is 21.8 mph, so I gotta think that bodes well for West Point on Sunday. We shall see what we shall see!

(And thanks for being my "sounding board" about this stuff this morning. That wasn't part of my motivation in writing that stuff -- honest!! )



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STEVE --

I am hangin' in... the Mossman Park City is my alternative to the Litchfield Aquabike, they added an Aquabike this year.  

My biggest concern about doing the Litchfield race is it is in a lake and I am pretty sure that with the heat we have had wetsuits won't be allowed.  If I go to the Mossman the water temps are 74 or so making wetsuits legal.  I am not sure I am ready to do a full mile swim without the wetsuit.  The thing I have heard about the Mossman is that the bike leg is a bit "boring" as it is 5 - 5mile loops.  I am assuming it gets crowded as well.  The Litchfield race is suppose to have a very challenging bike leg which I may try and ride this weekend to get a feel for it... but am leaning toward doing the Mossman.

 

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JEFF -

"Rusty Hinges"? If that's your name, it's a good one; if it's their name, good for them to been sproting about it!

Yeah, schedules acan be useful. My go-to pool hosts several high school swim meets each winter, and they are very dutiful about posting the dates well in advance. For my part, I am dutiful about noticing the posts as soon as they are put up.....but then over the next 3 or 4 weeks I ignore the posters AND forget the date. So, at least twice each winter I show up for a 3:30 swim, only to find the pool taken over by teenagers. Bah!






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I got a 1:45 100 meter rep last night. A tiny victory but kinda cool none the less


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JEFF -

I guess! I don't keep close track of my 100s, but memory tells me that 1:41 is about my all-time fastest, and deeper recesses of the memory nudge and say it's happened only once or twice. BIG victory, Jeff, and something to build upon!


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I have a new I-Pad and I'm learning to use it. I can't see my graphs on my training log, does anyone have any suggestions?
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I have a new I-Pad and I'm learning to use it. I can't see my graphs on my training log, does anyone have any suggestions?
2011-08-11 10:20 PM
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stevebradley - 2011-08-11 6:06 PM JEFF - I guess! I don't keep close track of my 100s, but memory tells me that 1:41 is about my all-time fastest, and deeper recesses of the memory nudge and say it's happened only once or twice. BIG victory, Jeff, and something to build upon!

It was part of a 2000 meter workout, 700 meters of warm up and drills then this set followed by a 300m cool down. The instructions said to make each subsequent set faster than the previous one, so I sort of cruised the first easy then tried to incrementally pick up the pace:

400-7:27 (1:51), 300-6:03 (2:01), 200-3:48 (1:53), 100-1:45

I clearly failed the pacing goal but it is tricky when the distance is changing.

I honestly thought I had lost count of my lengths but only 3 lengths would have left me at the wrong end of the pool so it must be valid.

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ALEX -

NOW I remember Mossman as the option!

Well, I hear you about the swim consideration, and a few weeks ago when I ws looking into options I considered Litchfield and thought the same as you. Given how you felt about the She Rox swim, you might be happier heading to Mossman. I have several things nibbling at me about West Point, one of them being that it might not be wetsuit-legal, so I empathasize with your own concerns/worries.

As for those loops, though --- try it, you might like it! I have done several multiple-loop rides in races, and as long as the loops aren't too long* or too numerous* or too crowded, it can be fun. You will probably find that after the first, the rest get easier, or at least you know better how to attack them, strategize them. Think of them as quintuplets that look exactly alike, but each with a subtle difference in personality. Your job is to learn those differences, and that will come with time spent with them, i.e., each loop of the course will reveal something slightly new. Or, if that dopey analogy dosen't work for you, think onion layers -- same organism, but each layer reveals something slightly different.

NEVER MIND! ANYhow, as you learn slight gradients and wind direction and twists and turns, you can play with how to attack them, or even just aim to have each loop faster than the preceding one. But don't focus too much on the boring possibilities, and just think how you can create your own fun!

Finally, I have no real interest anymore in bike courses that advertise themselves as "scenic", because 98% of the time I am not loooking at scenery, so it is mostly all lost of me. And if I am looking at it, it is by way of scoping out the next hill, or what to do about that tractor that just pulled out 100 yards ahead of me and that I will be upon in about 15 seconds. ENJOY THOSE LOOPS! Wheeeee!

(Oh! And enjoy the swim in the Sound; as I have said, saltwater swims are the best thing!)


*There is an event in Ottawa that has both a half-iron and an iron. The bike course is beautifully scenic, along the Rideau Canal, and the course is closed to traffic, an even better bonus. BUT, it is made up of out-and-backs, with each circuit being about 9.3 miles total. So, sparing you doing the math on that, for the HIM it is 6 loops, for the full iron a whopping 12 loops. I have done the half about four times, and the iron once, and it is almost stultifying to mentally make it through all of those repeats. It helped at the iron that at the end of each turnaround was a mat, and a booth, and a guy in the booth who would broadcast, "Steve Bradley has just completed his 8th loop!". I also had 12 sticky dots on my aerobars, and at the end of each loop I would remove one of them. Overall, though -- ACK!






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JEFF -

That's a nice set you did. As for "clearly failed the pacing goal"......not too bad, really. Had you cruised the first one even more cruisingly, it all would've fallen into place. Back in the day when I was doing similar workouts, I would make the first one quite easy -- like, a bit slower than race-pace. So for me to do your set, the first one would've been maybe 2:04 or so, and then had I followed at your pace it would've been perfect.

Seveal times I wnet out deliberately boldly on the first.....and then died by the end. Mine were called "twisters", and I should go back and try to find the guidelines for them in my old logs. Mostly, though, they were close to what you did, only shorter efforts. I think.


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Things eating at me as I prepare for West Point Triathlon:

1.) No motel yet. Inertia?
2.) Will my hip handle the drive?
3.) If not, will one of the effects be to cause problems during the race?
4.) Will it be wetsuit-legal?
5.) Recent google problems with several pairs!
6.) Is my front wheel "in true" after my mishap a couple of days ago?
7.) If not, will I pop a spoke? (This happened at a race in '06.)
8.) WILL I GET A FLAT (which took far too long to fix! ), A LA LAST YEAR????

No fun yet with this; gotta get myself in a better frame of mind, asap!!


(Conversely, my training has been great, so.............)







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ALEX again -

I just went to the Mossman site to refresh my memory ( I had considered it several times several years ago), and I see the bike course has having lots of scope for variety. You will almost certainly get some wind effects to work with, and that little up-and-down jog near the west end of it will allow you to work at different angles of approach to it and through it. Looks fun!

Another thought about aquabikes (I may have mentioned this before....) is that they are a great opportunity to push as hard as you can on the bike........cuz you don't have to worry about running after it's done. Seriously! I am not being facetious!

When I had a torn meniscus in '06 and couldn't run, all I could do were aqbks. It was during that season that I learned what it felt like to ride HARD in a competetive situation, holding very little back. I realized how much I had held back each and every race for my preceding six seasons ('00 through '05), and so when I returned to full triathlons in '07 I knew what it felt like to ride hard*. Of course, then the problem was how to dial some of that back so that I didn't die on the run, but tinkering here and fiddling there got it mostly together, and has made a huge difference in my performances each year since.

So, if you do Mossman, maybe take the first four loops to learn the course and build speed, and then see what it feels like to really drive yourself hard for that final loop -- as oposed to thr typical tri way of doing things, which is to back off some at the end of the bike so you are completely in the red at the start of the run. But at an aqbk......no problem being in the red at the end of the bike, other than the temporary discomfort!


* My tibial stress fracture in '00 turned me from a pure runner into a triathlete; that was my "best bad injury".
The torn meniscus eventually led to big improvements in my performances, so that was my "next best bad injury"!



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Subject: RE: Got Your Mojo WORKIN'! group - CLOSED

STEVE--

Just signed up for the Mossman Aquabike.  Decided the risk of doing the mile swim without a wetsuit was too much for me to do the Litchfield event... maybe next year.  I will definitely take your advice about pressing more on the bike since I don't have to worry about the run.  I'm doing a 50mile ride this Sunday so I may press a bit on the final leg to try and get that feeling of pushing at the end more.  Good luck this weekend at West point.  I hope that the swim is wetsuit legal!!!

Who else is racing this weekend?  Good luck to all!

 

Alex

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