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 2012-10-29 9:26 AM in reply to: #4472094 |
Master  2327    Columbia, TN |  Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIXowl_girl - 2012-10-27 8:20 PM Thank you, everyone!!!! I'm not going to do a race report until I get the official results. They will be out tomorrow. Here is a Junkie race report! The weather and road conditions were almost perfect. Roads were dry. Temps were in the 50's, however, it was really humid. The fog burned off minutes before the start. I really was not prepared for this race mentally or physically. My bike time has been sub-par recently. I didn't even bother taking my tri bike to the shop for a "check-up" before this race. Because of my lack of training, I decided to try a new race morning routine. I know that's a cardinal sin, however, I told myself "what the hell do you have to lose?" (I'll save my pre-race routine for the real race report! Tee-hee!) Absolutely. We need to give ourselves races that have no pressure where we are free to experiment or just go to slow and have no reason for butterflies. I started the race knowing how fast I would have to ride. I was seeded as one of the last riders. Ugh! This course is a two lap course so I knew the fast dudes that went first would pass me in short order. Sure enough, at three minutes, the first dude passed me! I kept an eye on him and watched how he negotiated a couple of crazy corners. I followed his line, then I never saw him again. (That fortunate experience was an education! I took one of the corners at 19mph and it scared the crap out of me!) When otherwise evenly matched, the turns can make all the difference. If the pavement is good and clean there will be no need to slow down if you have the skills and courage. I finished the first lap right around the 15 minute mark. I was feeling reasonably good so I decided to go for it. I managed a negative split and I KNEW I got the record! Sounds like near perfect pacing My average HR was 172 and my max was 178! I kept my effort level pretty steady for the whole race. It was just under barf level. No, I didn't barf at the end but I could barely stand up. (Shut it guys! I know I didn't go hard enough! That's a serious HR. Definitely speaks to your respectable effort. You won't get any criticism from me on that effort. I ended up averaging a little over 23mph. The course record is 28mph. (That guy didn't show up today. Weird. He's always at this race.) Thanks for reading. I'll let you know when I get the race report done. As you know, I'm bad at those things. I'm really tired right now. Cheers! And I knew when you said you were underprepared that you were still going to do quite well. You are a very good athlete and seem to have high standards for yourself....so when you don't expect to do well, it usually will be what we consider pretty good!
ps. in your real RR make sure to document your warmup. From your performance and your lack of mention of super bad suffering the first few miles...I will assume your warm up was sufficient. Did you follow Dirk's suggested warm-up?
Edited by JeffY 2012-10-29 9:27 AM |
) There is no way I would have been able to run after this race. I definitely rode harder than I do during triathlons.| 2012-10-29 9:47 AM in reply to: #4471587 |
Master 2327 Columbia, TN | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX jgerbodegrant - 2012-10-27 8:31 AM Tracy, good luck on your TT today!! On my end of things, this has been a very busy week. I screwed up the joist hangers on the house side of the deck and had to re-do them one night...in the dark. So that has set me back and the upcoming weather is going to push me even further behind my goal. Oh well. I had a really crummy mountain bike ride yesterday. There is so much to work on. It's such a different sport in general. Power alone will get your almost nowhere. 1. Flatted in the first mile - need to increase tire pressure. So the point of me listing all of this is not to just complain (although sometimes it makes one feel better), but to point out that workouts do not always go as planned. If you can mentally get your head around that there is actually a positive outcome from just getting it done, you will be better off. Try to stay positive, no matter what the outcome. We need to teach a semester of sports psychology! Not that this post got me thinking about it, it was the post about nerves. But what this post brought to mind is that we NEED to know there is value in training EVERY SINGLE TIME. There is no wasted workout. I promise you that this sucky mtn bike ride had your subconscious working overtime that evening and overnight as you slept and that there was some motor skill improvement that came from it. You also learned (or at least reinforced) a truth about mtn biking "Power alone will get your almost nowhere." Sorry about that tire pressure advice....You must still be using inner tubes? Yes, with inner tubes you shouldn't go below 30 or you are likely to pinch flat. You NEED to convert to tubeless and then go right back to the low pressure. #3...remember that truth about power getting you nowhere? A close corelary is that you don't need to use power to ride fast. So try riding without sucking wind. Spin easy. Even spin easy up the hills. You will soon find that your times over the course, or the sections you check, is as fast as when you kill yourself. #5...don't try. it ruins your flow and has you off your game. You won't be taking the different course details at YOUR best pace. Either ride alone sometimes too, or purposely drop back at the start and just feel your way around the course without other people dictating the pace (for now). #4...we will figure out the traction thing. How about getting some video of you taking the climb you have the most trouble with? Also include footage of a more experienced rider going up in the same video and we'll compare/contrast the differences. There are some up hills that are just too steep to ride. #7. Take it to the dealer and let them fix it. Something's loose. |
| 2012-10-29 9:59 AM in reply to: #4471549 |
Master 2327 Columbia, TN | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX DirkP - 2012-10-27 7:51 AM Nerves are part of the game really. I have yet to race any triathlon where I haven't been nervous about one thing or another. Last weekend I was nervous about the 5k race I ran. I commented to Lis on the way over there that "I am nervous!....About a 5k???" After all I have done in the past 3 years of racing 5k to marathons, sprint tri's to HIM's I was nervous about a 5k? Really? I have come to the conclusion that all the nerves and pressure are internal. We put so much effort into training, getting ready for this big race (regardless of distance) for months or even a year, then on race day it's as if we forget all of that. It seems we say to ourselves; "Never mind the 850 miles I ran before my HIM. Never mind the 3500 miles I rode on my bike! Never mind the 150,000 yards of swimming! I have this HUGE race that I am under-trained for! I don't know if I can complete it!" ........Been there, done that!! By now you are on the course and this post won't help for this particular race. But remember that it happens to everyone one of us in one form or another. I'll almost guarantee that you stressed about whether you had all of your gear packed and ready. The best thing to do to alleviate this kind of stress is to make a list and check things off as you get ready. This helped me a lot last season because I was constantly worried about leaving something behind. Any stress that you can get rid of is going to be something less you'll have to worry about. I am sure you're doing fine right now but when you return to read all everyone has posted remember that we all go through what you have already dealt with today. And it never goes away! But it does get easier! Nerves. That's a good topic for discussion. When I was in high school I was a basket case. I got VERY nervous for every track meet, cross country meet and XC ski meet. Loads of nerves. Plus I don't perform well under pressure so often sucked! (defined as racing worse than I had proven I could do in practice) It might have started when my very first track meet as a freshman in HS was also the most painful experience of my life. I was afraid both of doing poorly and of the suffering that I knew was to come. But an important thing happened to me during my sophomore or junior year. Can't remember which. I tore my IT band and had to stop running for 2 months. I missed the entire track season that year. But I still attended practices and meets. I noticed when we got to the first meet that I was nervous. Just like Pavlov's dogs I had a learned response to a race. I was struck by the butterflies and sick feeling in the pit of my stomach as I got off the bus and walked to the stadium just to WATCH a track meet. That continued week after week while I was struck by the irony of it. In time it stopped and I was able to watch meets without being nervous. Then in time, fortunately before my senior year, I matured enough to know that I would run as well as I could and that worry didn't help. I lost the fear of the pain (because by that time I'd run so much that hard running didn't feel like 'pain' anymore) and I lost the fear of doing poorly because I was actually really consistent and really didn't have bad races. I was free of the crappy feeling that had me regretting joining the team every week as we prepared for a race. These days I still do really well, only getting nervous if I'm late and worried about missing the start of a race. But I do know about the intense nerves that the rest of you feel...I still felt those nerves when I was doing kickboxing. It's a bit intimidating to get in the ring with a black belt that wants to knock you out. I wonder if it would help those of you that suffer from this to enter a 5k and make a commitment ahead of time to jog it at your training pace. Under no circumstances will you get caught up in the race, but you will stick to your pace and just finish for the fun and the t-shirt. How about doing the same in a triathlon? How about taking a friend to a race and committing to staying near them throughout a sprint tri? It might do wonders for the nerves to experience a race environment free from the intimidation of performance anxiety.
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| 2012-10-29 10:19 AM in reply to: #4473434 |
Elite 3913  far northern CA | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX JeffY - 2012-10-29 7:59 AM DirkP - 2012-10-27 7:51 AM Nerves are part of the game really. I have yet to race any triathlon where I haven't been nervous about one thing or another. Last weekend I was nervous about the 5k race I ran. I commented to Lis on the way over there that "I am nervous!....About a 5k???" After all I have done in the past 3 years of racing 5k to marathons, sprint tri's to HIM's I was nervous about a 5k? Really? I have come to the conclusion that all the nerves and pressure are internal. We put so much effort into training, getting ready for this big race (regardless of distance) for months or even a year, then on race day it's as if we forget all of that. It seems we say to ourselves; "Never mind the 850 miles I ran before my HIM. Never mind the 3500 miles I rode on my bike! Never mind the 150,000 yards of swimming! I have this HUGE race that I am under-trained for! I don't know if I can complete it!" ........Been there, done that!! By now you are on the course and this post won't help for this particular race. But remember that it happens to everyone one of us in one form or another. I'll almost guarantee that you stressed about whether you had all of your gear packed and ready. The best thing to do to alleviate this kind of stress is to make a list and check things off as you get ready. This helped me a lot last season because I was constantly worried about leaving something behind. Any stress that you can get rid of is going to be something less you'll have to worry about. I am sure you're doing fine right now but when you return to read all everyone has posted remember that we all go through what you have already dealt with today. And it never goes away! But it does get easier! Nerves. That's a good topic for discussion. When I was in high school I was a basket case. I got VERY nervous for every track meet, cross country meet and XC ski meet. Loads of nerves. Plus I don't perform well under pressure so often sucked! (defined as racing worse than I had proven I could do in practice) It might have started when my very first track meet as a freshman in HS was also the most painful experience of my life. I was afraid both of doing poorly and of the suffering that I knew was to come. But an important thing happened to me during my sophomore or junior year. Can't remember which. I tore my IT band and had to stop running for 2 months. I missed the entire track season that year. But I still attended practices and meets. I noticed when we got to the first meet that I was nervous. Just like Pavlov's dogs I had a learned response to a race. I was struck by the butterflies and sick feeling in the pit of my stomach as I got off the bus and walked to the stadium just to WATCH a track meet. That continued week after week while I was struck by the irony of it. In time it stopped and I was able to watch meets without being nervous. Then in time, fortunately before my senior year, I matured enough to know that I would run as well as I could and that worry didn't help. I lost the fear of the pain (because by that time I'd run so much that hard running didn't feel like 'pain' anymore) and I lost the fear of doing poorly because I was actually really consistent and really didn't have bad races. I was free of the crappy feeling that had me regretting joining the team every week as we prepared for a race. These days I still do really well, only getting nervous if I'm late and worried about missing the start of a race. But I do know about the intense nerves that the rest of you feel...I still felt those nerves when I was doing kickboxing. It's a bit intimidating to get in the ring with a black belt that wants to knock you out. I wonder if it would help those of you that suffer from this to enter a 5k and make a commitment ahead of time to jog it at your training pace. Under no circumstances will you get caught up in the race, but you will stick to your pace and just finish for the fun and the t-shirt. How about doing the same in a triathlon? How about taking a friend to a race and committing to staying near them throughout a sprint tri? It might do wonders for the nerves to experience a race environment free from the intimidation of performance anxiety.
I ran in a 5K yesterday! I did it at my training pace. I wasn't bothered by the people out in front of me that I always try to keep up with. It was kinda fun running with new peeps! |
| 2012-10-29 10:21 AM in reply to: #4125576 |
Elite 3913 far northern CA | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX Jeff....thanks for your comments regarding my TT. Hopefully, I'll have the results later today. |
| 2012-10-29 10:50 AM in reply to: #4473411 |
Pro 3804 Seacoast, NH! | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX JeffY - 2012-10-29 10:47 AM jgerbodegrant - 2012-10-27 8:31 AM Tracy, good luck on your TT today!! On my end of things, this has been a very busy week. I screwed up the joist hangers on the house side of the deck and had to re-do them one night...in the dark. So that has set me back and the upcoming weather is going to push me even further behind my goal. Oh well. I had a really crummy mountain bike ride yesterday. There is so much to work on. It's such a different sport in general. Power alone will get your almost nowhere. 1. Flatted in the first mile - need to increase tire pressure. So the point of me listing all of this is not to just complain (although sometimes it makes one feel better), but to point out that workouts do not always go as planned. If you can mentally get your head around that there is actually a positive outcome from just getting it done, you will be better off. Try to stay positive, no matter what the outcome. We need to teach a semester of sports psychology! Not that this post got me thinking about it, it was the post about nerves. But what this post brought to mind is that we NEED to know there is value in training EVERY SINGLE TIME. There is no wasted workout. I promise you that this sucky mtn bike ride had your subconscious working overtime that evening and overnight as you slept and that there was some motor skill improvement that came from it. You also learned (or at least reinforced) a truth about mtn biking "Power alone will get your almost nowhere." Sorry about that tire pressure advice....You must still be using inner tubes? Yes, with inner tubes you shouldn't go below 30 or you are likely to pinch flat. You NEED to convert to tubeless and then go right back to the low pressure. #3...remember that truth about power getting you nowhere? A close corelary is that you don't need to use power to ride fast. So try riding without sucking wind. Spin easy. Even spin easy up the hills. You will soon find that your times over the course, or the sections you check, is as fast as when you kill yourself. #5...don't try. it ruins your flow and has you off your game. You won't be taking the different course details at YOUR best pace. Either ride alone sometimes too, or purposely drop back at the start and just feel your way around the course without other people dictating the pace (for now). #4...we will figure out the traction thing. How about getting some video of you taking the climb you have the most trouble with? Also include footage of a more experienced rider going up in the same video and we'll compare/contrast the differences. There are some up hills that are just too steep to ride. #7. Take it to the dealer and let them fix it. Something's loose. Awesome advice. Thanks a lot for that, Jeff. So you really think I should go Tubeless? I'm worried about the fact that I have already put a hole in the side-wall of one of my tires. I am consistently sliding down the side of rock with my rear tire. What kind of pedals are you using? I am using a look quartz pedal. Every time I hit them on a tree or rock, my foot gets bumped out. And they don't seem to have much float. If I put my knee out to the side for balance, they unclip. I will try to do the video. A buddy of mine that I ride with has a camera that I could probably use. |
| 2012-10-29 11:20 AM in reply to: #4473572 |
Master 2327 Columbia, TN | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX jgerbodegrant - 2012-10-29 10:50 AM Awesome advice. Thanks a lot for that, Jeff. So you really think I should go Tubeless? I'm worried about the fact that I have already put a hole in the side-wall of one of my tires. I am consistently sliding down the side of rock with my rear tire. What kind of pedals are you using? I am using a look quartz pedal. Every time I hit them on a tree or rock, my foot gets bumped out. And they don't seem to have much float. If I put my knee out to the side for balance, they unclip. I will try to do the video. A buddy of mine that I ride with has a camera that I could probably use. Yes, you should go tubeless. There is no doubt that every mtn biker should. I am not one to go along with groupthink unless I believe the group has it right. In the case of tubeless it's right. (caveat: someone who rides 2-3 times a year on their mtn bike on gravel roads and who doesn't want the cost and trouble of tubeless would be wise to stick with tubes)
Gashing open a sidewall is going to flat you with or without tubes. However, when you are tubeless you will often be saved from a flat when you get a puncture from a thorn or other trail debris and you won't be able to get pinch flats....so you get far less flats. For trail-side flat repair you pull out your tubeless rim strip and insert a tube. And if you have a large gash from a rock, you install a tire boot before your tube (google 'park tire boot'). Then you need to retire the tire because once threads in the casing are compromised you don't want to use it with or without a tube anymore. You have lightweight racing tires and they aren't as durable as many other tires out there. They are faster though. If you get too many flats due to their fragility then you might want to give up some speed and get a tire that's more robust. That particular tire is available in a tougher version. The 'team issue' is the lightweight while the other 29-1 models get more robust casings and sidewalls. I have SPD pedals. I only have them because before I knew better I assumed it would be best to stick with what had the most market share. I don't regret having them, but other pedal systems are great too. SPD pedals have tension sprint adjustment which may help people achieve exactly what they want, but I want it at minimum tension for easy out. I also pop out when my pedal hits the ground hard, but I'm learning to see it coming before I hit and adjust so that I don't pedal strike anymore eventually. I can always tighten my tension to avoid it if I need to. It looks like from what I've just read that your quartz pedals don't allow tension adjustment. But since they seem to snap out easily that's likely about the tension I'd prefer. http://reviews.mtbr.com/look-quartz-pedal-pro-review This indicates that your pedals should have 15 degrees of float so when you lean your knee out it should be able to twist 15 degrees before popping out. It doesn't sound like that's your experience. They mention a 20 degree cleat being available... Ask your buddies if anyone has an extra pair of pedals with matching cleats in egg beaters or SPD and you can test try a different pedal system to see if it's more to your liking.
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| 2012-10-29 11:58 AM in reply to: #4125576 |
Expert 1439 Tallahassee | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX this is long...sorry! Well, my first tri is complete. I am posting here before I post my race report because we are family here and I’ll post some things I will not post in the race report. I started feeling bad really Wednesday but I thought maybe it was nerves, worse Thursday, better Friday and Saturday I got up at 3:30a.m., took 2 Allegra sinus pills and 2 Aleve because I was feeling so achie or however you spell it. I ate breakfast of yogurt, protein powder and oatmeal and a banana and of course I had coffee and my pre-workout stimulant I always take. I was so nervous, my stomach was churning and I was wondering if I would even get in the water, I was DREADING it. Then I tried to get my mind right and say I was going to enjoy the swim and the experience. We got to the tri and going into the transition area got marked. (Remember to carry a flashlight) I had to ask for help finding my bike rack. Ummmm, the bike rack I was in already had bikes racked with tri bikes and they all had Zipp wheels, aero helmets, shoes clipped in and gosh that was intimidating. Got set up and tried to relax, just talking to people. They finally closed transition and we headed to the water. It was getting windy with the wind blowing straight in. The 1st flight was college guys, 2nd college women, 3 flight 40+ men, 4th flight 39 under men, 5th flight ladies, 6th flight athena and clydes. FSU, University of Florida and Central Florida all had their tri teams here. At the start of the swim they announced the 50 – 55 males were the most competitive group. (I’m 51 and it was not me). I thought, I will get swam over by the 39 and below. Swim started, I let everyone go, I tried to draft but it didn’t work, I was swimming very straight to the buoy made the turn 200 yards out and said hey this is easy, and started swimming to the 2nd buoy and figured I needed to increase my speed so I started trying to push it (BIG MISTAKE) that is when I got off line and started getting winded so I turned over and floated for a few seconds to rest but finally go to the 2nd buoy and said yea I can now see the finish, just 200 yards away, now the flight behind me was catching me so I tried to push it again, do you see a common thread here (I’m not smart) so I had to roll over and float again but finally made it in. swim time 13.20 T-1 went better than expected, 2.21 and had to walk gently over large gravel, took wetsuit off put on shoes, helmet, got a protein bite and headed out w/ bike. BTW, I took Tallulah my tri bike. I chose the tri bike because of the aero bottle and not having to slow down to drink out of a bottle. The wind increased the longer we were out there. The ride was non-eventful, I was passed by 6 people and passed two of them again but the 4 that passed me and kept going passed me like I was going backwards. I passed a BUNCH!!! I did take a big sip of drink prior to the run (another mistake) 13.96 miles 42.45 T-2 don’t know what happened here but it was slow 1.35. All I had to do was take off helmet, change shoes, get race belt????? Run, I had a hard time getting my race belt hooked and the headed out but gosh my stomach was churning due to the last drink. The 1st ¼ mile I thought I would throw up but I finally had a big burp and felt a lot better. The 1st mile was “off-road”. I haven’t run off road in a LONG time so it was different. We finally came to pavement and I was finally feeling good then we went off road again and this time it was VERY sandy and was probably ¾ mile long but then we came out of the sand and on to pavement. Now we were headed up a hill but at least it was paved. I just focused on form and coasted to the finish and wasn’t really tired at all. Time 26.46 5k Now here is where I will not post in the race report. 3rd place men 50 – 54 Total 109.49, 9.24 swim, t-1 1.14, bike 36.51, t-2 .46, run 21.37, now that was 3rd. I got my head handed to me on a platter, they beat me by 17 minutes and that was 3rd!!! On a positive note, wife got 2nd in her age group. I was so proud of her. Oh yea they had a pushup contest and wife told me to get in it but I declined. I wish I would have but I figured the college boys would clean my clock. When they all lined up, I observed their arms and then wished I would have gotten in, a 51 yo man would have shown the young whipper snappers how it is done but they were all cheating, doing 1/2 pushups. I did have a man come up to me and tell me that when he grew up, he wanted to look like me...lol Now, please advise on how to get my bike speed up. Is it intervals, long rides, hills, more time in the saddle. or all the above. |
| 2012-10-29 12:42 PM in reply to: #4473707 |
Expert 2380 Mastic Beach, NY | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX KWDreamun - 2012-10-29 12:58 PM this is long...sorry! Well, my first tri is complete. I am posting here before I post my race report because we are family here and I’ll post some things I will not post in the race report. I started feeling bad really Wednesday but I thought maybe it was nerves, worse Thursday, better Friday and Saturday I got up at 3:30a.m., took 2 Allegra sinus pills and 2 Aleve because I was feeling so achie or however you spell it. I ate breakfast of yogurt, protein powder and oatmeal and a banana and of course I had coffee and my pre-workout stimulant I always take. I was so nervous, my stomach was churning and I was wondering if I would even get in the water, I was DREADING it. Then I tried to get my mind right and say I was going to enjoy the swim and the experience. We got to the tri and going into the transition area got marked. (Remember to carry a flashlight) I had to ask for help finding my bike rack. Ummmm, the bike rack I was in already had bikes racked with tri bikes and they all had Zipp wheels, aero helmets, shoes clipped in and gosh that was intimidating. Got set up and tried to relax, just talking to people. They finally closed transition and we headed to the water. It was getting windy with the wind blowing straight in. The 1st flight was college guys, 2nd college women, 3 flight 40+ men, 4th flight 39 under men, 5th flight ladies, 6th flight athena and clydes. FSU, University of Florida and Central Florida all had their tri teams here. At the start of the swim they announced the 50 – 55 males were the most competitive group. (I’m 51 and it was not me). I thought, I will get swam over by the 39 and below. Swim started, I let everyone go, I tried to draft but it didn’t work, I was swimming very straight to the buoy made the turn 200 yards out and said hey this is easy, and started swimming to the 2nd buoy and figured I needed to increase my speed so I started trying to push it (BIG MISTAKE) that is when I got off line and started getting winded so I turned over and floated for a few seconds to rest but finally go to the 2nd buoy and said yea I can now see the finish, just 200 yards away, now the flight behind me was catching me so I tried to push it again, do you see a common thread here (I’m not smart) so I had to roll over and float again but finally made it in. swim time 13.20 T-1 went better than expected, 2.21 and had to walk gently over large gravel, took wetsuit off put on shoes, helmet, got a protein bite and headed out w/ bike. BTW, I took Tallulah my tri bike. I chose the tri bike because of the aero bottle and not having to slow down to drink out of a bottle. The wind increased the longer we were out there. The ride was non-eventful, I was passed by 6 people and passed two of them again but the 4 that passed me and kept going passed me like I was going backwards. I passed a BUNCH!!! I did take a big sip of drink prior to the run (another mistake) 13.96 miles 42.45 T-2 don’t know what happened here but it was slow 1.35. All I had to do was take off helmet, change shoes, get race belt????? Run, I had a hard time getting my race belt hooked and the headed out but gosh my stomach was churning due to the last drink. The 1st ¼ mile I thought I would throw up but I finally had a big burp and felt a lot better. The 1st mile was “off-road”. I haven’t run off road in a LONG time so it was different. We finally came to pavement and I was finally feeling good then we went off road again and this time it was VERY sandy and was probably ¾ mile long but then we came out of the sand and on to pavement. Now we were headed up a hill but at least it was paved. I just focused on form and coasted to the finish and wasn’t really tired at all. Time 26.46 5k Now here is where I will not post in the race report. 3rd place men 50 – 54 Total 109.49, 9.24 swim, t-1 1.14, bike 36.51, t-2 .46, run 21.37, now that was 3rd. I got my head handed to me on a platter, they beat me by 17 minutes and that was 3rd!!! On a positive note, wife got 2nd in her age group. I was so proud of her. Oh yea they had a pushup contest and wife told me to get in it but I declined. I wish I would have but I figured the college boys would clean my clock. When they all lined up, I observed their arms and then wished I would have gotten in, a 51 yo man would have shown the young whipper snappers how it is done but they were all cheating, doing 1/2 pushups. I did have a man come up to me and tell me that when he grew up, he wanted to look like me...lol Now, please advise on how to get my bike speed up. Is it intervals, long rides, hills, more time in the saddle. or all the above. Karl first off congrats to you and your wife on completing your first Tri! I think you did a great job and you both should be proud of yourselves for getting out there and finishing. You came in with very good time for your first sprint and you will only get better the more you do it. Your transitions times were very good as well and I envy you there because in all 4 of my races this year mine were terrible. I hope you had fun and enjoyed the experienced. As far as the bike goes I am deferring to the experts here but I think for building power and strength intervals will help you do that. Endurance will come with more time in the saddle and longer rides on the bike. |
| 2012-10-29 1:50 PM in reply to: #4125576 |
Expert 1439 Tallahassee | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX Tracy, congrats on the race!!!!!!! Tony, hope Sandy leave you alone! Isn't your marathon this weekend? hey great swimming too, yes balance is everything and when I get tired i drop my legs... way to practice. Good luck in the marathon!!! Jeff, great advice on the nerves... |
| 2012-10-29 3:47 PM in reply to: #4473885 |
Expert 2380 Mastic Beach, NY | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX KWDreamun - 2012-10-29 2:50 PM Tracy, congrats on the race!!!!!!! Tony, hope Sandy leave you alone! Isn't your marathon this weekend? hey great swimming too, yes balance is everything and when I get tired i drop my legs... way to practice. Good luck in the marathon!!! Jeff, great advice on the nerves... Karl no such luck man, it is starting to pick up now with the wind and rain. I think this is gonna be bad one. Assumming NYC isn't totally submerged under water yes I will be running the marathon on Sunday unless it becomes a swim |
| 2012-10-29 4:37 PM in reply to: #4125576 |
Master 2327 Columbia, TN | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX I've been living with a chronic case of 'retrocalcaneal bursitis' for on about ... 2.5 years now??? wow. It's been manageable and gets worse with races, speedwork, hills. (running, not cycling or anything else). It reached a new high yesterday/today. My left heel which has been the better one really acted up yesterday. I was running on the t-mill and felt so light and effortless that I had my pace up to 8mph (7:30/mile) and was loving it....except that the pain in the heels was worse due to a longer stride which uses more plantar flexion. There were a few stabbing pain episodes that shot through me too. That's not new, just more frequent yesterday and today. The pain was pretty bad while running but I stuck it out due to stubbornness. It was very hard to walk yesterday after the run. Still painful this morning with more stabbing electro-shock type moments that had me stifling yells. After swim, I ran 6 miles but never exceeded 6.5 mph. I had to be content with my HR never leaving the 120s and it hurt...but in the aftermath today the pain has subsided to the normal level. But I'm going to have to get serious about treating this or the outcome won't be good.
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| 2012-10-29 5:16 PM in reply to: #4125576 |
Expert 1439 Tallahassee | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX Good Luck Jeff with your heels. We all wish we could help, you are always so giving and we wish we could give back. |
| 2012-10-29 6:59 PM in reply to: #4125576 |
Extreme Veteran 1123 Sidney, Ohio | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX Karl, congrats to you and your wife for the 1st tri! It sounds like even with the nervous jitters you still did well! I wouldn't worry about those 17 minutes, those top guys have a lot of time on you. I'm sure you will catch up quicker than you think. I would tell you how far I was behind 3rd place in my 1st event but I think they stopped the clock because I was so slow  |
| 2012-10-29 9:28 PM in reply to: #4474334 |
Expert 1249 MI | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX Karl, I am so glad to hear you made it!!! Now you'll only get better from here!!! What's next?! For the bike, I'm gonna go with all of the above. |
No really though, (not that I'm any sort of expert in the matter) it is sounding like intervals are the way to go, if you had to pick just one out of the choices you listed. I am not sure if you have come across it, but here on BT there's a popular winter biking plan (maybe you've heard of Jorge being referred to), and it is basically based around biking 3 times a week for an hour at a time, the key being the intervals and intensity of the workouts.| 2012-10-29 9:29 PM in reply to: #4474482 |
Expert 1249 MI | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX The wind is scaring me here in Michigan! I can't imagine what it's like out east!!! |
| 2012-10-29 10:50 PM in reply to: #4125576 |
| NH | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX I'm sitting out Sandy in Dallas with my two oldest, while my wife tends to the generator alone. It feels weird being so far away knowing what's going on up there. Maybe Dirk will end up coming out to get us back online.Tony, that actually sounds liked a great race, and definitely for a first tri. And forget about competing with the top guys for a while, just focus on improving. There are some crazy fast old dudes if your races are anything like mine.As far as biking goes, intervals will get you a long way over the winter. I agree with Jeff that now is the best time to really improve your weak sport. But an important part of the bike is coming out of the water fresh.I'd write more but I am still figuring this smartphone out so it takes forever for me to finish a post. Edited by wbayek 2012-10-29 10:52 PM |
| 2012-10-29 11:20 PM in reply to: #4125576 |
Elite 3913 far northern CA | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX Got the official results! It's official! I'll write up the race report tomorrow. I'm tired. I hope all of my east coast friends are staying safe and warm. |
| 2012-10-30 5:37 AM in reply to: #4125576 |
Expert 1439 Tallahassee | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX Tony, I sure hope you have power. You are in our prayers! Let us know how things are going when you get a chance. Warren, good luck to your wife. Let us know how things are going. I also saw a lot of folks in the Ohio valley are getting bad weather too. Good Luck to all of ya'll. Samantha, hope the winds have died down. |
| 2012-10-30 6:13 AM in reply to: #4474170 |
| Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX JeffY - 2012-10-29 4:37 PM I've been living with a chronic case of 'retrocalcaneal bursitis' for on about ... 2.5 years now??? wow. It's been manageable and gets worse with races, speedwork, hills. (running, not cycling or anything else). It reached a new high yesterday/today. My left heel which has been the better one really acted up yesterday. I was running on the t-mill and felt so light and effortless that I had my pace up to 8mph (7:30/mile) and was loving it....except that the pain in the heels was worse due to a longer stride which uses more plantar flexion. There were a few stabbing pain episodes that shot through me too. That's not new, just more frequent yesterday and today. The pain was pretty bad while running but I stuck it out due to stubbornness. It was very hard to walk yesterday after the run. Still painful this morning with more stabbing electro-shock type moments that had me stifling yells. After swim, I ran 6 miles but never exceeded 6.5 mph. I had to be content with my HR never leaving the 120s and it hurt...but in the aftermath today the pain has subsided to the normal level. But I'm going to have to get serious about treating this or the outcome won't be good.
Jeff you have actually described a foot problem that I have NOT had. What are you planning for treatment or what have you done so far? Best wishes you can find a solution. Don't be so hard headed about your training that you are not listening to your body! |
| 2012-10-30 6:59 AM in reply to: #4474559 |
| Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX wbayek - 2012-10-29 10:50 PM I'm sitting out Sandy in Dallas with my two oldest, while my wife tends to the generator alone. It feels weird being so far away knowing what's going on up there. Maybe Dirk will end up coming out to get us back online.Tony, that actually sounds liked a great race, and definitely for a first tri. And forget about competing with the top guys for a while, just focus on improving. There are some crazy fast old dudes if your races are anything like mine.As far as biking goes, intervals will get you a long way over the winter. I agree with Jeff that now is the best time to really improve your weak sport. But an important part of the bike is coming out of the water fresh.I'd write more but I am still figuring this smartphone out so it takes forever for me to finish a post. Oh Warren I hate to read your wife is left in the storm without you around but hopefully there are family or friends close she lean on if needed. Praying everyone is staying safe and dry. Not much happening here in IL. |
| 2012-10-30 7:04 AM in reply to: #4125576 |
| Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX Ok, so for some reason I find this thread kind of offensive. Interested in some other opinions if you have time to check it out. I feel like Tom is calling out age groupers in the U.S. as lazy and in actuality is a little out of touch with who the average U.S. age grouper is. http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=466303&posts=35&start=1 |
| 2012-10-30 7:35 AM in reply to: #4474743 |
Extreme Veteran 1123 Sidney, Ohio | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX trigal38 - 2012-10-30 8:04 AM I thought the same thing! Europeans are so much better because they put in so much more time! That's a bunch of crap! A lot of the follow-up posts nailed it when they said most AGs wish they could do more but because of family time and work restraints we choose to minimize the time! Anyone can go out and train 20-30 hrs a week when they have no family, no career goals etc. although I could handle having August off of work every year!Ok, so for some reason I find this thread kind of offensive. Interested in some other opinions if you have time to check it out. I feel like Tom is calling out age groupers in the U.S. as lazy and in actuality is a little out of touch with who the average U.S. age grouper is. http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=466303&posts=35&start=1 |
| 2012-10-30 7:37 AM in reply to: #4125576 |
Extreme Veteran 1123 Sidney, Ohio | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX October 30th and there is snow on the ground! This is just ridiculous! I think we may be headed for a rough winter! I live in a old (120+) house and have had a more than difficult time with pests this year, earlier than normal also! I think all the critters are trying to find a warm spot to hunker down for the winter! Going to be fun. |
| 2012-10-30 9:33 AM in reply to: #4474743 |
Master 2327 Columbia, TN | Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX trigal38 - 2012-10-30 7:04 AM Ok, so for some reason I find this thread kind of offensive. Interested in some other opinions if you have time to check it out. I feel like Tom is calling out age groupers in the U.S. as lazy and in actuality is a little out of touch with who the average U.S. age grouper is. http://www.beginnertriathlete.com/discussion/forums/thread-view.asp?tid=466303&posts=35&start=1 I didn't find it insulting, but understand why you did. I replied and suggested that Tom didn't state his idea correctly. But the idea that today's training philosophies are wrong is a very true one... In the old days there was a focus on volume. These days there is a focus on intensity. In the old days runners were injured no more than these days, or were injured less and only had KEDS to run in. Cyclists trained 40 hrs per week and that is actual ride time! But you would be able to keep up with them during their winter build phase, they didn't hammer all the time. Same with runners. More miles, but even a 2:10:00 marathoner would be out doing 8:00/mile pace while doing 120 mile weeks. Today's 2:10:00 marathoners run 30-40 miles less and are never slower tham 6:00/mile pace. And can't keep up with the Kenyans! The changes in training philosophy for those at the elite level is misinformed I think...and those ideas are translated down to casual athletes like us and are still wrong...but even if we all realized that 6 hour training days was the way for us to be our best we couldn't do it. Nor should we do it because it takes an incredible sacrifice in our lives. If we've only got 10 hours a week to spare we can use that time, and because it's low on volume there's a little extra room for intensity. But we are constrained by our time and our priorities even if we weren't constrained by wrong training philosophies... That's all Tom is probably trying to say. The Europeans still seem to hold to the old ways, the super high volume training ideals.
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