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2012-03-05 11:00 AM
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Hey Dan, I can usually be within 5min of what I predict, both at IMAZ and Kona's I have been within that delta but this course does present a challenge. That's why I feel comfortable seeing these other results and knowing how I compare makes it a lot easier. My coach rode 5:07 and he's a little faster then me on the bike. Chris Hauth rode 5:16 and I was 3min faster at Vineman 70.3 then he was. So based on that, I am looking at 5:10-5:15. I would be happy with that.


2012-03-05 11:03 AM
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bryancd - 2012-03-04 12:11 PM I have been riding NBH, Nothing But Hills, for my long work. Yesterday was 108 miles with 7400 feet of climbing.

Bryan,

I was curious what your nurtition is for your long 'NBH' rides. Also, do you carry it all on the bike or do you have a place to stop and refuel? Having never done this distance, and still experimenting and building to my long ride, I find myself completely empty of everything by mile 60ish. I carry two water bottles, 2 INFINT bottles, a salted baked potato, and some small snacks. Since I'm climbing up through hills and canyons I don't have a lot of options to stop and refuel, nor is it practical to leave stuff along the road like the day before. Just curious how you work your nutrition to get to a 100 miles and a bazillion ft. of climbiing.

 

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2012-03-05 11:30 AM
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bryancd - 2012-03-04 12:11 PM I have been riding NBH, Nothing But Hills, for my long work. Yesterday was 108 miles with 7400 feet of climbing.

Bryan,

I was curious what your nurtition is for your long 'NBH' rides. Also, do you carry it all on the bike or do you have a place to stop and refuel? Having never done this distance, and still experimenting and building to my long ride, I find myself completely empty of everything by mile 60ish. I carry two water bottles, 2 INFINT bottles, a salted baked potato, and some small snacks. Since I'm climbing up through hills and canyons I don't have a lot of options to stop and refuel, nor is it practical to leave stuff along the road like the day before. Just curious how you work your nutrition to get to a 100 miles and a bazillion ft. of climbiing.

 

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For training I have been using gels. So these 100+ mile rides are 5-5 1/2 hours depending on how hilly and how long. I have been using 5 gels, one per hour, which I carry in either my pocket or FuelBox on the top tube. I have two bottles, one water and one GU Brew. My rides have many opportunities to refill with water at public fountains or even more sport drink if I stop at a Circle K or similar gas station. All the rides around me where I can go 100+ miles and climb 7000+ feet have water options, which is the key. If I was doing a route that didn't have that convenience, I would do what you are doing, carry 4 bottles on the bike (you could get 5 bottles maybe, 2 on the frame, two behind the seat, one between the bars) or carry an extra water in a back jersey pocket. I will likely start also taking a Cliff Bar with me as I like some solid food when I race an IM.
2012-03-05 12:31 PM
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Very thankful I live in a area with lots of great climbing options.. been doing these two big hilly rides each month for the past few months, its been getting easier each time.

did the famous Palos Verdes Dragon Route (5400 ft/5 climbs some very steep) yesterday and followed it up with a 13 mile run and did very well

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/155079414

The other ride I do is probably one of the toughest in Southern Ca Baldy Rd to the Baldy ski lifts(over 5000 ft straight up with very little to no breaks), going to try a 13 miler after this ride soon

http://connect.garmin.com/activity/148426767

I also did the St George course last year and it was very tame in comparison to either of these rides. If anyone in Southern Californa wants to join me let me know planning to do a few more before the big day.

For the person asking about food during these long climbing rides, I mainly eat only snacks or the same stuff I plan to use during the IM ( pure bars, oreos, honey stinger gel, trail mix) with a 27 ounce green smooothie in the morning for breakfast. I carry most of it and have one convience store stop about half way where Ill have a large gatoraide and buy a bannana and some of the snacks mentioned.  Im actually surprised at how little calories I need but I know were all different, Ive been racing bicycles a few years and typically log well over 6000 miles a year

 



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2012-03-05 12:40 PM
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Oh, Garmin files, forgot I could link those. Here was my Saturday morning...

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2012-03-05 12:50 PM
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bryancd - 2012-03-05 10:00 AM Hey Dan, I can usually be within 5min of what I predict, both at IMAZ and Kona's I have been within that delta but this course does present a challenge. That's why I feel comfortable seeing these other results and knowing how I compare makes it a lot easier. My coach rode 5:07 and he's a little faster then me on the bike. Chris Hauth rode 5:16 and I was 3min faster at Vineman 70.3 then he was. So based on that, I am looking at 5:10-5:15. I would be happy with that.

Hey Bryan, thanks. Last year I projected a 6:30 and rode a 6:28. I'm having a tough time nailing down a time this time around. The more I ride this course the more it worries me and then there is that little run thing they make us do at the end. I'm thinking 5:50-5:55 if the winds are as kind as last year.

I'm curious about the potato. How, where, when, why?

Dan.



2012-03-05 12:57 PM
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PbMan - 2012-03-05 11:50 AM
I'm curious about the potato. How, where, when, why?

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I know a few people that like real food on the bike and a potatoe is a good choice. My Mom used to eat Fig Newtons on the bike. My only issue with real food is that it's kind of a real pain to carry, store, and eat. A potoatoe would be ok I suppose, but a Cliff Bar is just easy as long as it's already out of the wrapper. I usuaully cut it in half and take 4 halfs with me to munch when when I feel the need.
2012-03-05 1:39 PM
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PbMan - 2012-03-04 3:12 PM

slctri - 2012-03-04 11:07 AM Just rode it from Sand Hollow, one loop, followed by ride into town to T2. Total elevation for that distance was 3,907 - one additional loop is approximately 1,800 feet so you figure the bike elevation gain is approximately 5,600 feet.  I rode this with a friend, who was riding it for the first time. Did the ride from Sand Hollow and a loop in just under 4:00. Felt great and definitely could have pushed harder (did not shift out of my big gear the whole ride).

Am I reading this right? You rode the whole course in your biggest gear? Big chainring? Up those hills into that headwind? How much do you weigh? I ride a double on this course every Saturday using every gear I have. I'm seriously impressed!



Back in the late 90's when I was road racing our coach used to make us do hills all on the big ring-not to make us work harder but to build confidence. He also had a habit of taking our seat/seat post off our bike during indoor sessions and 'locking out' the easy gears in the cassette. The point was basically to prove to yourself you can do it no matter what. Broken chainring shifter-no problem, done the climbs. Rear derailer fubar's-no worries. Seat and seat post break off-I've done up to 90 minutes of nothing but standing.

I still do this(minus the seat thing) as a confidence booster. I too have done the climbs in SG in just the big ring, not neccessarily because I'm planning to race that way, but in case I 'had' to race that way.
2012-03-05 1:46 PM
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I know a few people that like real food on the bike and a potatoe is a good choice. My Mom used to eat Fig Newtons on the bike. My only issue with real food is that it's kind of a real pain to carry, store, and eat. A potoatoe would be ok I suppose, but a Cliff Bar is just easy as long as it's already out of the wrapper. I usuaully cut it in half and take 4 halfs with me to munch when when I feel the need.

How do you carry the 4 halves? With peels? At what point do you eat them? I'm going to try it.

 

2012-03-05 1:51 PM
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PbMan - 2012-03-05 12:46 PM
How do you carry the 4 halves? With peels? At what point do you eat them? I'm going to try it.

 



What do you mean "peels"? Cliff Bars are just, well bars. I cut them in half and stick 'em in the Fuel Box with the gels. So when I race I have all my nutrition in their and just grab bottles of water and IM Perform sport drink at the aid stations.
2012-03-05 2:12 PM
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bryancd - 2012-03-05 12:51 PM
PbMan - 2012-03-05 12:46 PM How do you carry the 4 halves? With peels? At what point do you eat them? I'm going to try it.

 

What do you mean "peels"? Cliff Bars are just, well bars. I cut them in half and stick 'em in the Fuel Box with the gels. So when I race I have all my nutrition in their and just grab bottles of water and IM Perform sport drink at the aid stations.

I'm still talking about potatoes and you folks have already moved on to something new. Maybe I'll just stop in with Littlecat between loops and have that piece of pie.

Do you eat the potato with it's peel on, how do you carry it, and how long before getting off the bike do you eat it?

Dan.

 



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Do you eat the potato with it's peel on, how do you carry it, and how long before getting off the bike do you eat it?

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Dan,

I Bake some medium-sized potatoes once a week. When I'm ready to ride I throw it in the microwave for a bit, cut it up into bite-size chunks and load them all up with salt. I leave the skin on more for convenience, but I know some people that will peel the skins because of the fiber that they bring to the party.

I have a little conveniece pouch I found that I put the potatoes in and throw in my jersey. I love the taste of the salt as soon as it hits the tounge, plus its real food - a break from gu's liquids bars, etc.

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PbMan - 2012-03-05 2:12 PM

bryancd - 2012-03-05 12:51 PM
PbMan - 2012-03-05 12:46 PM How do you carry the 4 halves? With peels? At what point do you eat them? I'm going to try it.

 

What do you mean "peels"? Cliff Bars are just, well bars. I cut them in half and stick 'em in the Fuel Box with the gels. So when I race I have all my nutrition in their and just grab bottles of water and IM Perform sport drink at the aid stations.

I'm still talking about potatoes and you folks have already moved on to something new. Maybe I'll just stop in with Littlecat between loops and have that piece of pie.

Do you eat the potato with it's peel on, how do you carry it, and how long before getting off the bike do you eat it?

Dan.

 



Hahaha...now you're confused....I'm getting my pie AFTER the race
2012-03-05 3:40 PM
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Do you eat the potato with it's peel on, how do you carry it, and how long before getting off the bike do you eat it?

Dan.

In regard to finishing it before getting off the bike..... I usually have mine done by Mile 60 - I take about a chunk every 10-12 minutes. I still haven't decided if I'm going to do a second one in my SN bag. I'm usually tired of potato by then. 

Incidentally, I like the fig newtons, but I haven't figured out a clean way to carry them. They all end up a crumbly mess.

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2012-03-05 3:42 PM
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Lew Hollander eats baked potatoes on the run, so it must be a good thing.
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bryancd - 2012-03-05 12:40 PM Oh, Garmin files, forgot I could link those. Here was my Saturday morning... http://connect.garmin.com/activity/154517713[/QUOTE]

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And on a total different note...I'm sniffing for a new bike(not like I need it, I have 4 already) and my birthday is coming so it could be a 'convienient' time to buy(all I'm really looking for is a cheap excuse-cheaper the better)...

I found a little Pinarello(I have a 'thing' for Colnago, Pinarello, insert Italian bike name here) that was just my size, nicely spec'd, I was in lust. I saw myself rolling long rides on this subtle little number, washing her(yeah, like I was 'any' of my bikes), gazing across the room at her....

Perched on it and the love deepened, oh we are so close, the register is a mere 15 feet away, until I bent to the aero bars and it was all so sadly wrong. The seat tube is a 74 degrees...and I want a 78 like I have now....so fast the lust faded and then was gone.

I adored you little Pinarello...we were so very close....yet so very far away...sniff.
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60 Days / 2 Months! Gettin excited!!!

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My Mom used to rock Kona on a sweet DeRosa...



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So do you think it is worth a trip to SG prior to the race (mid-March) to ride the course?  It's an easy flight for me to do.  Coming from flat-land-ville and after looking at the posted garmin files, I feel really unprepared. 

I pulled up my CdA garmin file from last year and it looks like the bike course was only 3,100 feet of gain.  I had no problem with that course (5:35 split/143 Avg. HR), but it looks like SG is almost double that course at 5,800 feet.  My hope was I could be off the bike in 6:00 hours, but I have no idea what to expect.       

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bryancd - 2012-03-05 4:09 PM

My Mom used to rock Kona on a sweet DeRosa...



Ugh!! I rode with a guy on a DeRosa last Saturday....beautiful bike!!


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3Aims - 2012-03-05 4:11 PM

So do you think it is worth a trip to SG prior to the race (mid-March) to ride the course?  It's an easy flight for me to do.  Coming from flat-land-ville and after looking at the posted garmin files, I feel really unprepared. 

I pulled up my CdA garmin file from last year and it looks like the bike course was only 3,100 feet of gain.  I had no problem with that course (5:35 split/143 Avg. HR), but it looks like SG is almost double that course at 5,800 feet.  My hope was I could be off the bike in 6:00 hours, but I have no idea what to expect.       

3aims,I did CDA with you last year and your split blew mine away. I did fly out in December and rode the loop with the master (PBMAN). It eased my mind after reading the horror stories but also motivated me to really hit my intervals as I am on flatland also. The course is different than CDA IMHO. Not harder, not easier just different. Now that is after 1 loop not 2. CDA is no joke and neither is St. George. However, some of those hills in CDA were steep also and they never seemed to end in Hayden. PBMAN said it best before, the climbs are not impossible it is the false flat mixed with the hills that take the toll. As someone who has a obviously lower power to weight ratio than the studs who have posted lately I am riding a compact. I am under the theory of saving the peaks on the hills to conserve for the run. With that said, if I was riding the course regularly or even riding hills each week I would feel more comfortable riding a standard and a 11x28. However, since I am not, and consider myself a very much so a mop, I just feel more comfortable with the compact.
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PbMan - 2012-03-05 9:05 AM

Hey SlcTri, I caught up to the back of a group of about 15-20 tt bikes on my second loop Saturday. Didn't catch the main group. Do you have a bunch that are training for Coeur d'Alene and Arizona? Met the same group at the Veyo store a couple of weeks ago. If that is your group, you are keeping fast company.

 @PbMan - there are a few in my group doing CDA and AZ. That doesn't sound like my group from last weekend, however. Many of those in this group were doing each loop in 2:20. The group I'm going down with March 16 & 17, however, are going to be moving faster. You should join us.

 

@LittleCast - yea, with the chip seal, this course feels enough like prison that I don't need to remove my seat post.  I agree, riding it in the big ring is a great confidence booster for race day.

@Bryancd - you're a stud with that split on this course. I'm hoping for anything sub-6 and predicting 5:30 - 5:40.

@kstater - don't get me wrong, the compact works for the bigger studs. Gravity works in your favor on the decents anyway.

@3aims - riding and running the course is the best training for this event. Thinking of the hill after the climb out of Veyo, it looks like an ascent but you can move up it at a great pace. Without having riden it, it would be a lot more demoralizing race day. This is just one of many examples on this course. This is definately a course where there is a huge benefit to pre-riding it.

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I may fly to SG the 16-17th if weather permits.  I've got the pass from the boss and it would help break up my downhill bike riding. 
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slctri - 2012-03-05 6:33 PM
@Bryancd - you're a stud with that split on this course. I'm hoping for anything sub-6 and predicting 5:30 - 5:40


Well, I still need to do it. I rode a 4:51 at IMAZ and a 5:03 in Kona, so I figure I should be pretty spot on with the estimate.
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