Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed (Page 15)

2014-01-24 4:38 AM

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Scott - there are a bunch of videos on you tube that are for body position. Look up Skate, Switch, double switch, tripple switch to start.

2014-01-24 4:42 AM

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Kathleen - I think one of the reasons why biking lots helps with the run is because the more fit you are on the bike, the less fatigued you will be on the run. If you go out hard on the bike or are spent from your ride , you will have a lousy run. But if you have good bike endurance, you will have fresher legs on the run. Remember that the bike leg is the longest portion of the race.

2014-01-24 9:19 AM

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Originally posted by kathleenkp

I really liked reading about bike conditioning helping the running. That's just what I need to hear!

I have a road bike on order, but my size (petite - ie short lady size) is back-ordered until the end of March. I do have a friends' bike to use (the one I crashed), but it is not a petite. So I can (and probably will) continue taking gym cycle classes for a while and see about getting back on the road occasionally with the big bike. My doctor cleared me from my wrist standpoint about a month ago to be back on the road, but my hand therapist (who is crazy about bikes, and I will be joining his riding groups) asked me to stay in the classes for a few more months until the roads improve. I see him tomorrow and will ask him about the sizing difference. I didn't know I'd need such a smaller bike. My friend who owns the bike is only 1/2" taller than me. I think it's probably too big for her, too. I can't wait to get back out there!

March will be here in no time. Congrats on the bike! And you'll have it for prime riding season this summer!

2014-01-24 11:58 AM

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Logged an easy 6.2 miles last night. Looking forward to a long bike ride this afternoon, hopefully over half done outside before it gets dark, then either onto the trainer or riding in the dark. Anybody use lighter lenses for glasses in cloudy weather or at night?

Come on weekend!

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2014-01-24 5:04 PM

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Originally posted by Brendab

Poolgod - please feel comfortable sharing here! It's great to have a forum where we can talk about all the tri stuff that sometimes drives those around us a little crazy!

So your saying that my wife is not the only spouse to be sick of hearing about my training? Now that is great news.

2014-01-24 7:35 PM

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So the pool was packed tonight. I had to circle swim for a bit and the two other folks in my lane did breast stroke and invariably kicked me a bunch. The guy in the lane next to me was doing back stroke and his arms would sweep under the divider and knock me once and a while...good practice for OWS races....but still annoying.

crissy_jo

2014-01-25 12:58 AM

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Originally posted by ccmpsyd

So the pool was packed tonight. I had to circle swim for a bit and the two other folks in my lane did breast stroke and invariably kicked me a bunch. The guy in the lane next to me was doing back stroke and his arms would sweep under the divider and knock me once and a while...good practice for OWS races....but still annoying.

My pool (YMCA) was packed yesterday morning. We only have 3 lanes, but each lane had 2-3 people in it constantly fluxing in and out. Come summer the outdoor pool opens up and we get 3 more lanes outside. I picked a lane where a gal joined us (to make 3 people) and she was swimming up and down the center of the lane. I got out to fix my swim cap that popped off and before getting back in stopped her to ask her to if she wouldn't mind if we circle swim, and it was someone I actually knew. She's new to lap swimming, but a couple years ago I talked her into doing an Xterra sprint tri with me, just a 300M swim and we practiced not drowning together for about a month before the race. Our swim technique involved a fair amount of breast stroke. Took a few years for me to decide to actually pick up the sport for good and last year was my first year of learning to actually swim. Having her swim next to me made me realize how much improvement I have made over the last year - amazing. I remember the days I would swim 25 meters and have to stop and rest. I never thought I would be able to swim 100 M nonstop of freestyle. Amazing the progress we make isn't it? Human bodies are awesome.

2014-01-26 12:17 PM

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Originally posted by crissy_jo

Wow, it is good to look back and see where you came from.

Well, it's become my new tradition to jump on here when I start thinking about being lazy. It is motivating to see everybody else logging good workouts. So now I'm off to get some time on the bike. Happy Sunday everybody!

Brendab

2014-01-26 4:38 PM

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It's been a great weekend with a 5K Run yesterday for a great organization and today I did a 62-mi bike ride for another organization. Today was my largest group ride thus far and at times, we had at least 70 bikers in our group. I started out with the 18-20 mph group, but we caught up with the 20-24 group. That pace felt great until I hit around 48 miles and then it took everything I had to hit 21. I keep playing with my nutrition and have a difficult time because my stomach does best with little to nothing in it when I start exercising, but I know my body needs fuel. I did have a bagel before my ride and then a half of a PB&J and a gel at the 36 mi rest stop. By the end, I could tell I was running on empty. I don't do well with the gu's and gels, but did find one by vega (plant based) and chia gel that my stomach can handle. What are all of you using on any training runs/rides??

Cheers, Brenda

Dangerjim71

2014-01-26 6:32 PM

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I usually eat cliff bars and water on my long rides and maybe a little Gatorade on really hot days. I can pretty much stomach anything although the Gatorade can cause some issues if I drink too much. I'm planning to experiment with the bike nutrition this season to figure out exactly what I need. I think I took in too many calories on my HIM bike last year and it slowed my first few miles of the run.

Competed in an indoor triathlon at a local fitness center today. It was nice to compete again during what has been a brutal winter in the Midwest. I finished all three disciplines with a slight improvement over the same race 2 months ago which feels good given that it's the offseason. Highlights: I was tied for the best overall bike performance of the day, was 4th out of about 20 men and only beaten by guys 10-20 years younger than me, and I improved on my swim from 450m in 10 minutes to 550m which is a nice improvement for an adult onset swimmer.

I hope everyone had a great weekend.

2014-01-26 7:11 PM

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Originally posted by Brendab

It's been a great weekend with a 5K Run yesterday for a great organization and today I did a 62-mi bike ride for another organization. Today was my largest group ride thus far and at times, we had at least 70 bikers in our group. I started out with the 18-20 mph group, but we caught up with the 20-24 group. That pace felt great until I hit around 48 miles and then it took everything I had to hit 21. I keep playing with my nutrition and have a difficult time because my stomach does best with little to nothing in it when I start exercising, but I know my body needs fuel. I did have a bagel before my ride and then a half of a PB&J and a gel at the 36 mi rest stop. By the end, I could tell I was running on empty. I don't do well with the gu's and gels, but did find one by vega (plant based) and chia gel that my stomach can handle. What are all of you using on any training runs/rides??

Cheers, Brenda

I drink either Perform or Skratch every 10 minn. If it is a long ride, I will eat 1/2 of a honey stinger waffle at 30 minn and at 1 hour and a gel every 30 minutes. If you rather eat food, check out a book called Feed Zone Portables by SKratch Labs. Healthy nutrition designed specifically for endurance athletes. I often make rice cakes and they work like a champ. If my run is under an hour, I likely won't use a gel and may drink once every mile or so. If longer than an hour, I will take a gel every 30 -45 minutes depending on how hot it is. Haven't had the need to use salt tabs while on the bike yet.

2014-01-26 7:12 PM

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Originally posted by Dangerjim71

I usually eat cliff bars and water on my long rides and maybe a little Gatorade on really hot days. I can pretty much stomach anything although the Gatorade can cause some issues if I drink too much. I'm planning to experiment with the bike nutrition this season to figure out exactly what I need. I think I took in too many calories on my HIM bike last year and it slowed my first few miles of the run.

Competed in an indoor triathlon at a local fitness center today. It was nice to compete again during what has been a brutal winter in the Midwest. I finished all three disciplines with a slight improvement over the same race 2 months ago which feels good given that it's the offseason. Highlights: I was tied for the best overall bike performance of the day, was 4th out of about 20 men and only beaten by guys 10-20 years younger than me, and I improved on my swim from 450m in 10 minutes to 550m which is a nice improvement for an adult onset swimmer.

I hope everyone had a great weekend.

Congrats on the tri and the improvements, especially on the swim - from one adult onset swimmer to another

2014-01-26 7:29 PM

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Found something new to watch during my 2:30 hour ride this weekend....it was called Aussies Abroad and it was Biographies on Craig Alexander and Chris McCormack...if you know of those guys, or like them, it was pretty interesting.

kathleenkp

2014-01-27 1:47 AM

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94	Subject: RE: Scott and Kelly's Mentor Group- Closed Is it on Netflix?

kathleenkp

2014-01-27 1:53 AM

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Question re: training and family vacations -

We need to take some vacations this summer - quite a bit of time as several trips. (I'm just planning right now.) I am hoping that some of them involve bicycling. It would be the touring kind, I suppose. Maybe 15-30 miles a day x4 days. Will doing something like this mess up my training, or would it help, or just not hurt? I think I could retrace the days' route afterwards at a faster pace on my own.

I don't worry about missing swimming.

I could maybe get a run or two in on the vacations.

One vacation is going to be about 4 days touring local islands. We might have a couple more trips up to about 10 days each, though. One would be lots of driving, but could do bike rides through national parks.

The thing is that I could just forgo all the vacations if left to my own choices, but I need to put my family first before triathlon training.

2014-01-27 3:50 AM

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Originally posted by kathleenkp

Question re: training and family vacations -

We need to take some vacations this summer - quite a bit of time as several trips. (I'm just planning right now.) I am hoping that some of them involve bicycling. It would be the touring kind, I suppose. Maybe 15-30 miles a day x4 days. Will doing something like this mess up my training, or would it help, or just not hurt? I think I could retrace the days' route afterwards at a faster pace on my own.

I don't worry about missing swimming.

I could maybe get a run or two in on the vacations.

One vacation is going to be about 4 days touring local islands. We might have a couple more trips up to about 10 days each, though. One would be lots of driving, but could do bike rides through national parks.

The thing is that I could just forgo all the vacations if left to my own choices, but I need to put my family first before triathlon training.

I think it depends on what your training plan is like and where you are in terms of your periodization. If you have a race shortly after then it might not hurt that much because you will be tapering as long as you take it slowly. If not, I doubt it will help. Can you bring a trainer with you (I did that when I go camping every year). I would definitely try to get some runs in (bring head lamp and go in the AM if you can)

Aussies Abroad is on you tube.

2014-01-27 10:38 AM

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Sorry I've been AWOL for a couple days. It's been weird weather here. We are not equipped here to deal with ice/snow. It pretty much shuts our city down. Thursday/Friday was like that and it is about to happen tomorrow/Wednesday too. Fitting in family stuff and training around that has been tough, but I did get to ride outside yesterday for the first time since early November.

As it pertains to nutrition while racing/training I use Skratch and eat Powerbar products for the most part. You can get through a sprint/short training days on just what you've eaten prior. When you start moving into days over 2 hours you need to think about replacing calories as you go (especially in racing). Nutrition is VITAL when racing long course (HIM and IM distances). I prefer to eat 1/2 a Powerbar at 30 minutes on long rides and the other half at 1 hour. After that I take in a gel every 20-30 minutes. I too sip on Skratch every 10 minutes aiming for a bottle an hour.

Those of you who are adverse to artificial sports products you can utilize "real" food at times. These times are on your lower intensity days. Your stomach can handle real food at lower intensities because due to lower intensity you can spare the blood flow to the stomach to digest the food. At higher intensities the blood needs to be diverted to your muscles so a quick digesting food source is needed unless you want to have the food sit in your stomach like a brick.

2014-01-27 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by Dangerjim71 I usually eat cliff bars and water on my long rides and maybe a little Gatorade on really hot days. I can pretty much stomach anything although the Gatorade can cause some issues if I drink too much. I'm planning to experiment with the bike nutrition this season to figure out exactly what I need. I think I took in too many calories on my HIM bike last year and it slowed my first few miles of the run. Competed in an indoor triathlon at a local fitness center today. It was nice to compete again during what has been a brutal winter in the Midwest. I finished all three disciplines with a slight improvement over the same race 2 months ago which feels good given that it's the offseason. Highlights: I was tied for the best overall bike performance of the day, was 4th out of about 20 men and only beaten by guys 10-20 years younger than me, and I improved on my swim from 450m in 10 minutes to 550m which is a nice improvement for an adult onset swimmer. I hope everyone had a great weekend.

Define too many calories (how many?). I'm not a fan of EVER drinking water during a HIM. Everything you put in your body during long course racing needs to have a purpose. Water has no purpose. Even as it comes to hydration it is absorbed at a lesser rate than a quality sports drink.

2014-01-27 10:43 AM

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Originally posted by ccmpsyd

Originally posted by kathleenkp Question re: training and family vacations - We need to take some vacations this summer - quite a bit of time as several trips. (I'm just planning right now.) I am hoping that some of them involve bicycling. It would be the touring kind, I suppose. Maybe 15-30 miles a day x4 days. Will doing something like this mess up my training, or would it help, or just not hurt? I think I could retrace the days' route afterwards at a faster pace on my own. I don't worry about missing swimming. I could maybe get a run or two in on the vacations. One vacation is going to be about 4 days touring local islands. We might have a couple more trips up to about 10 days each, though. One would be lots of driving, but could do bike rides through national parks. The thing is that I could just forgo all the vacations if left to my own choices, but I need to put my family first before triathlon training.

Good advice here. Many people schedule "rest weeks" or weeks with proportionally lesser volume. Try and make these weeks land during vacation is good. Otherwise just do the best you can. You may fall off a bit during vacation, but we all need family time for our sanity and that of our families.

crissy_jo

2014-01-27 4:33 PM

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18-20 mph group for a 62 mile ride? Holy cow lady! You either live somewhere flat, the wind only blows at your back, or you are one heck of a great biker! That is awesome. I feel so slow now.

Hanging head in shame...

Dangerjim71

2014-01-27 7:12 PM

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My calorie intake during the bike was about 1200 in cliff bars and 600 in sports drink which included 2 Gatorades and 2 Perform. It was too much sugar in too short a time and left me with an upset stomach for the first few miles on the run. I got over it and otherwise felt great on the run which was arguably my best leg relative to my age group. With this years HIM goal to race more than finish I will be working to get the nutrition dialed in just right.

2014-01-27 7:51 PM

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Originally posted by Dangerjim71

My calorie intake during the bike was about 1200 in cliff bars and 600 in sports drink which included 2 Gatorades and 2 Perform. It was too much sugar in too short a time and left me with an upset stomach for the first few miles on the run. I got over it and otherwise felt great on the run which was arguably my best leg relative to my age group. With this years HIM goal to race more than finish I will be working to get the nutrition dialed in just right.

How many Cliff bars was that? Although I am still a newbie - so take this for what it is worth - light solids are good at the beginning of a HIM bike but it may be best to go primarily with gels/sports drink for the greater portion of it, as cliff bars take time to digest and blood is being diverted from the digestive process, which may be a good part of why you had a hard time getting going on the run vs the amount of calories you had in you.

2014-01-27 8:17 PM

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Yeah. It's hard to digest that much solid food on the bike. I'd think maybe 1/2 a Clif bar when you get on, 1/2 30 minutes later and then gels.

2014-01-28 10:51 AM

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Last night, at a track workout, one of my running buddies turned to me as I said I was going to do 7 rather than the 8 sets. He said, "You have to get on the Wendy's plan." Okay... what does that mean. "You know why Wendy's burgers are square? They don't cut corners, Christina." Needless to say I got called out and did do all 8 of the sets.

I hope everybody's week is off to a good start.

2014-01-28 11:38 AM

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Originally posted by MechEChick Last night, at a track workout, one of my running buddies turned to me as I said I was going to do 7 rather than the 8 sets. He said, "You have to get on the Wendy's plan." Okay... what does that mean. "You know why Wendy's burgers are square? They don't cut corners, Christina." Needless to say I got called out and did do all 8 of the sets. I hope everybody's week is off to a good start.

LOL.

Kids are home again today because the weathermen over sensationalized the WINTER STORM we were going to get. At least I can get my intervals in on the trainer and have the two older girls keep the infant entertained.