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2012-11-12 9:49 AM
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strikyr - 2012-11-11 4:28 PM

Karl thanks for the swimming tips and I agree with you. I pretty much have a handle on what I am doing wrong and have taken steps to correct those things but as you know it is much easier said then done when it comes to swimming. Patience and persistence are the keys to getting better so I am sticking with it and working on it. I also am a proponent of TI and have been employing some of those techniques to help me improve.

I've noticed something during my 1-armed swimming pergatory.  When I keep my bad arm down at my side and swim with the other arm, I am unable to generate any lift when I breath.  I happen to be without my left arm, so I'm swimming with my right arm.  I am also breathing to the right.

One of the biggest mistakes beginners make is something that is instinctive and that's why it's a universal mistake and so hard to correct....when you turn your head to the right to breath, your left arm is extended in front...most people start that left arm stroke too soon in an attempt to use it to generate lift for their breathing.  Not only does the pull start too soon, but the catch phase is wasted by generating lift.

Alternate both sides, but put one arm at your side and swim 200.  You can't cheat to get lift with your breath so it should help you to begin to break the habit of lifting to breath.  Hope that works.

 



2012-11-12 10:17 AM
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JeffY - 2012-11-12 7:49 AM
strikyr - 2012-11-11 4:28 PM

Karl thanks for the swimming tips and I agree with you. I pretty much have a handle on what I am doing wrong and have taken steps to correct those things but as you know it is much easier said then done when it comes to swimming. Patience and persistence are the keys to getting better so I am sticking with it and working on it. I also am a proponent of TI and have been employing some of those techniques to help me improve.

I've noticed something during my 1-armed swimming pergatory.  When I keep my bad arm down at my side and swim with the other arm, I am unable to generate any lift when I breath.  I happen to be without my left arm, so I'm swimming with my right arm.  I am also breathing to the right.

One of the biggest mistakes beginners make is something that is instinctive and that's why it's a universal mistake and so hard to correct....when you turn your head to the right to breath, your left arm is extended in front...most people start that left arm stroke too soon in an attempt to use it to generate lift for their breathing.  Not only does the pull start too soon, but the catch phase is wasted by generating lift.

Alternate both sides, but put one arm at your side and swim 200.  You can't cheat to get lift with your breath so it should help you to begin to break the habit of lifting to breath.  Hope that works.

 

I do a lot of one arm drills.  One of the things my coach is having me work on during the drill is the following:

  • Right arm is doing the work
  • Left arm is extended forward and remains in that position
  • Roll to right when right arm is down to side, just before right arm exits water
  • Take a breath as right arm begins to exit water
  • Turn face back into water just before right hand enters water
  • Body will rotate to left as right hand extends forward, past left hand
Sometimes I do 25 on one side then 25 on the other without stopping.  Sometimes this drill is included during a straight 500.  Sometimes I have to do it very mindfully and slowly for 50 on each side, pausing briefly at each place in the bullets above.  I really hate it but it is helping me.
2012-11-12 11:10 AM
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Yep, one-arm drills and catch-up drills are very important for learning the timing of the stroke.

I find that doing one-arm drills with the off arm extended in front still gives me the ability to use it to generate lift for the breath by virtue of being able to bend at the wrist and elbow to create lift from my forward momentum.  Doing it with the off arm at the side gives that last little bit of help that I find to be useful.

2012-11-12 12:30 PM
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JeffY - 2012-11-12 10:49 AM
strikyr - 2012-11-11 4:28 PM

Karl thanks for the swimming tips and I agree with you. I pretty much have a handle on what I am doing wrong and have taken steps to correct those things but as you know it is much easier said then done when it comes to swimming. Patience and persistence are the keys to getting better so I am sticking with it and working on it. I also am a proponent of TI and have been employing some of those techniques to help me improve.

I've noticed something during my 1-armed swimming pergatory.  When I keep my bad arm down at my side and swim with the other arm, I am unable to generate any lift when I breath.  I happen to be without my left arm, so I'm swimming with my right arm.  I am also breathing to the right.

One of the biggest mistakes beginners make is something that is instinctive and that's why it's a universal mistake and so hard to correct....when you turn your head to the right to breath, your left arm is extended in front...most people start that left arm stroke too soon in an attempt to use it to generate lift for their breathing.  Not only does the pull start too soon, but the catch phase is wasted by generating lift.

Alternate both sides, but put one arm at your side and swim 200.  You can't cheat to get lift with your breath so it should help you to begin to break the habit of lifting to breath.  Hope that works.

 

Jeff this is exactly what is happening when I breathe to the left. I started bilateral breathing so I have no problems breathing from the right side as I can keep my arm extended and I don't pull too early. My balance to the right is good and I am comfortable so I can breath easy to that side. However I have noticed that I am doing exactly what you are saying when breathing to the left. I have been consciously trying to keep my right arm extended longer and not pull too early but I think I am not as comfortable yet and I am still working on attaining my balance on the left side. However I am determined to stick with it as breathing bilaterally has really helped straighten me out and I rotate much better to left now. Sounds like this could help.

2012-11-12 3:46 PM
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JeffY - 2012-11-12 9:10 AM

Yep, one-arm drills and catch-up drills are very important for learning the timing of the stroke.

I find that doing one-arm drills with the off arm extended in front still gives me the ability to use it to generate lift for the breath by virtue of being able to bend at the wrist and elbow to create lift from my forward momentum.  Doing it with the off arm at the side gives that last little bit of help that I find to be useful.

I think she has me extend the non-working arm overhead so I can make sure I am reaching really far ahead.

She makes me do another ugly drill with both arms at my sides.  I'm kicking the whole time.  The idea is to keep my head looking straight down and roll my body to the side and get my shoulder facing the ceiling out of the water.  When I need to take a breath, I simply turn my head to the side when my shoulder is out of the water and then look back at the bottom of the pool before the rest of my body turns.  It's sooooo hard!

2012-11-12 5:25 PM
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RunningYogini - 2012-11-12 11:17 AM
JeffY - 2012-11-12 7:49 AM
strikyr - 2012-11-11 4:28 PM

Karl thanks for the swimming tips and I agree with you. I pretty much have a handle on what I am doing wrong and have taken steps to correct those things but as you know it is much easier said then done when it comes to swimming. Patience and persistence are the keys to getting better so I am sticking with it and working on it. I also am a proponent of TI and have been employing some of those techniques to help me improve.

I've noticed something during my 1-armed swimming pergatory.  When I keep my bad arm down at my side and swim with the other arm, I am unable to generate any lift when I breath.  I happen to be without my left arm, so I'm swimming with my right arm.  I am also breathing to the right.

One of the biggest mistakes beginners make is something that is instinctive and that's why it's a universal mistake and so hard to correct....when you turn your head to the right to breath, your left arm is extended in front...most people start that left arm stroke too soon in an attempt to use it to generate lift for their breathing.  Not only does the pull start too soon, but the catch phase is wasted by generating lift.

Alternate both sides, but put one arm at your side and swim 200.  You can't cheat to get lift with your breath so it should help you to begin to break the habit of lifting to breath.  Hope that works.

 

I do a lot of one arm drills.  One of the things my coach is having me work on during the drill is the following:

  • Right arm is doing the work
  • Left arm is extended forward and remains in that position
  • Roll to right when right arm is down to side, just before right arm exits water
  • Take a breath as right arm begins to exit water
  • Turn face back into water just before right hand enters water
  • Body will rotate to left as right hand extends forward, past left hand
Sometimes I do 25 on one side then 25 on the other without stopping.  Sometimes this drill is included during a straight 500.  Sometimes I have to do it very mindfully and slowly for 50 on each side, pausing briefly at each place in the bullets above.  I really hate it but it is helping me.
have you guys been sneaking into my YMCA and watching me swim? This describes my major issue to the T! Most times my left arm is half way through the stroke before I am even done taking a breath! Crazy out of balance. I have been trying to correct this but can't seem to stay level in the water, as soon as I turn to breath I sink like a rock. I have tried the one armed superman drill (?) and can actually feel myself bobbing in the water as I go along. Turn to breath and drop several inches in the water, go back to looking at the bottom of the pool and back to the top I go. The left side is twice as bad as the right side, I assume this is due to just recently throwing in the left side breathing. I have also attempted the kick drills where you are supposed to just turn for a breath and that doesn't work either, anchor to the bottom. Any thoughts?

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2012-11-12 6:13 PM
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DirkP - 2012-11-11 7:55 PM
strikyr - 2012-11-11 5:28 PM

Karl thanks for the swimming tips and I agree with you. I pretty much have a handle on what I am doing wrong and have taken steps to correct those things but as you know it is much easier said then done when it comes to swimming. Patience and persistence are the keys to getting better so I am sticking with it and working on it. I also am a proponent of TI and have been employing some of those techniques to help me improve.

As far as things going on here thanks for asking. Things are getting better for sure. No more long lines for gas things seem to be a lot better here in Eastern Long Island thankfully. Also LIPA the power authority has gotten many people restored. They are down to about 107,000 without power. It is a shame that there are still that many without power. LIPA has been totally unprepared and mismanged for years. The biggest problem right now is they are not communicating with the public so people are very angry and fustrated. Public relations for LIPA is terrible they are just ignoring people. Most people here want the governor to step in a fire the CEO and his entire management team. They actually do deserve to be fired for the way they have handled things.

The men and women in the field working for LIPA have done an awesome job in getting power restored. There have been so many power companies from around the country here on Long Island and we are thankful that they are here and working hard to help out and get power back to everyone. Unfortunately the damage was so extensive that some people may not get there power back for weeks still. Plus you still have many who lost there homes and much of their belongings. I think it's going to be a long time before things really get back to normal but I think things are moving in the right direction. 

I know exactly where you're coming from Tony.  A storm of this magnitude is going to have so many long term affects that most people will never see.  People losing their entire lives and possibly their livelihood as well.  It is a very sad situation.  What's worse is that there are hundred of people out there that are taking advantage of these people in their need.

From the power company perspective, there is so little that can be done when every company around the area has taken resources that can be used every where.  There are only so many linemen and companies to provide them.  We also have to make sure we don't leave ourselves naked while everyone is out of power out east.  I know that our distribution line group here in Ft. Wayne is at a 25% operational force right now.  If we have a  minor storm people are going to be on edge waiting.

Hopefully things will get picked up sooner rather than later and as many people as possible will be able to pick up the pieces and get back to normal soon.

Dirk absolutely no disrespect to you guys at all. The people from LIPA and all the power companies that have come here to help have been absolutely awesome and the people here are very appreciative of their efforts. Without their dedication and hard work we would still be in the dark.

The fustration is with LIPA's mgmt. This used to be a publicly traded utility called LILCO and the state stepped in and made them a power authority maybe 10 years ago or more. They have always been poorly run, mismanaged and never prepared. Granted this storm was unprecedented and people did understand the severity of the outages and knew they were going to be without power for a while. I think mostly everyone understood that.

The biggest problem everyone is having with these guys is that they haven't communicated at all with the public. They've just ignored everyone. Even the town supervisors and the county executives on LI gave up dealing with the LIPA executives and pretty much jumped in and did there jobs for them. They literally had to force these guys to turn power back on in some places. It's been 14 days and there are still 56,000 people on LI still without power. That coupled with the fact that we pay the highest rates in the country have set people off. That is why people are so upset here and you can't blame them.

But as far as the people working to restore the power here I can't tell you how much we all appreciate their efforts. It's been an unbelievable task to get things back to normal. They are at 97% restored here on LI hopefully they get those last 3% up and running as soon as they can.

2012-11-12 6:20 PM
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mambos - 2012-11-12 6:25 PM
RunningYogini - 2012-11-12 11:17 AM
JeffY - 2012-11-12 7:49 AM
strikyr - 2012-11-11 4:28 PM

Karl thanks for the swimming tips and I agree with you. I pretty much have a handle on what I am doing wrong and have taken steps to correct those things but as you know it is much easier said then done when it comes to swimming. Patience and persistence are the keys to getting better so I am sticking with it and working on it. I also am a proponent of TI and have been employing some of those techniques to help me improve.

I've noticed something during my 1-armed swimming pergatory.  When I keep my bad arm down at my side and swim with the other arm, I am unable to generate any lift when I breath.  I happen to be without my left arm, so I'm swimming with my right arm.  I am also breathing to the right.

One of the biggest mistakes beginners make is something that is instinctive and that's why it's a universal mistake and so hard to correct....when you turn your head to the right to breath, your left arm is extended in front...most people start that left arm stroke too soon in an attempt to use it to generate lift for their breathing.  Not only does the pull start too soon, but the catch phase is wasted by generating lift.

Alternate both sides, but put one arm at your side and swim 200.  You can't cheat to get lift with your breath so it should help you to begin to break the habit of lifting to breath.  Hope that works.

 

I do a lot of one arm drills.  One of the things my coach is having me work on during the drill is the following:

  • Right arm is doing the work
  • Left arm is extended forward and remains in that position
  • Roll to right when right arm is down to side, just before right arm exits water
  • Take a breath as right arm begins to exit water
  • Turn face back into water just before right hand enters water
  • Body will rotate to left as right hand extends forward, past left hand

Sometimes I do 25 on one side then 25 on the other without stopping.  Sometimes this drill is included during a straight 500.  Sometimes I have to do it very mindfully and slowly for 50 on each side, pausing briefly at each place in the bullets above.  I really hate it but it is helping me.

have you guys been sneaking into my YMCA and watching me swim? This describes my major issue to the T! Most times my left arm is half way through the stroke before I am even done taking a breath! Crazy out of balance. I have been trying to correct this but can't seem to stay level in the water, as soon as I turn to breath I sink like a rock. I have tried the one armed superman drill (?) and can actually feel myself bobbing in the water as I go along. Turn to breath and drop several inches in the water, go back to looking at the bottom of the pool and back to the top I go. The left side is twice as bad as the right side, I assume this is due to just recently throwing in the left side breathing. I have also attempted the kick drills where you are supposed to just turn for a breath and that doesn't work either, anchor to the bottom. Any thoughts?

Matt I am having exactly the same issue. I have been just trying to keep my arm extended and not pull too soon. I know easier said then done because I always feel like I am going to sink which then forces me to kind of rush through the stroke which does not allow you to get a good breath on the left side. I was thinking it was just one of those things that would take time, practice and patience but if there is a shortcut I'm all ears!

2012-11-12 8:48 PM
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I'm sorry.  I'm not taking the time to read up on today's posts.  My mind is reflecting on some of the old days in my life.  Days when I was part of a brotherhood that many people don't understand and simply cannot understand unless you have been part of a brotherhood such as I have been.

Last night I lost a brother.  One whom I have never met.  Yet one I have shared a special bond through a path chosen by both of us, if only for a short time each.  We both have fought battles, separately,  that many have fearfully run from as they escaped the with only their lives and maybe a few possessions.  I have seen horrors that can only be understood by military combat personnel and their peers.  I have seen some things that have caused me great mental and psychological struggles over the years. 

We were both firefighters!  We shared a common bond that cannot be understood unless you have slipped into the turnout, donned SCBA, grabbed and line and raced into a building that others are racing out of.

I am struggling to find the reason for something so senseless.  I could understand this man losing his life for the sake of another, I would have done the same not so long ago.  It might have been understandable if it were an elderly person or child  trapped in a home.  But it's not the case!  It was a grass fire!   A lousy, stinking grass fire.  One that would have damaged only a field of dormant grass and a few trees.

Still his sacrifice was for the sake of others.  Whether it seemed noble or not, he was giving of himself.  And this time it cost him dearly.  But not only him.  He leaves behind a wife and two children, ages 3 and 1 years old.  These are the lives that will be smashed by grief. 

I also know what his brothers will feel.  Their loss and guilt will be plentiful and I can only share in a very small portion what they will be struggling with.

Rest easy Asst Chief/Engineer Mark Haudenschild



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2012-11-12 11:20 PM
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Dirk, that was a beautiful note.  I understand.  I was a Wildland Firefighter for a few years.  I was scared to death every single time we were deployed to a fire.  At all times, I was scanning the terrain for an exit in case of disaster.  I only experienced one scary moment of retreat.  I LOVED firefighting!  I would still be doing it if I hadn't been laid off due to budget issues.  I admire all firefighters and am saddened when I hear of a death due to such an admirable and selfless profession.  Blessings to his family.
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Dirk, I'm sorry.  His family are in our prayers!


2012-11-13 7:02 AM
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Dirk - I agree with Tracy that you wrote that beautifully in tribute to all firefighters and to Mark. I'm sorry for the sadness you're feeling in the loss of a brother. Praying for the Haudenschild family.

We had a sad couple weeks with the passing of our goofy male Great Dane. He suddenly developed a lump on his back/shoulder which turned out to be an agressive cancer. We did the best we could for him for two weeks but had to make the hard decision to put him to rest when there was nothing left but pain. He wasn't yet 5 years old and he had the funniest personality which brought such joy to our family. I hate cancer. I know Tracy recently lost her pup and Dina's has been sick. Pets are a sweet gift who give unconditional love and are greatly missed when they leave us. I HATE cancer.

I've been having computer problems so I haven't gotten on here much. I finally had to break down and order a new one yesterday. I'm caught with Windows 8 being installed on all the new machines in the stores but my accounting and tax software isn't supported by it yet so I had to find a Windows 7 model which was like finding a needle in a haystack. My new machine isn't supposed to be delivered until the 26th but I wanted to let you know I haven't abandoned you all.

Karl - I like your new avatar.

May you all find joy in some way today.

2012-11-13 7:53 AM
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Dirk I can't agree more with what everyone has already said. I'm very sorry to hear about Mark. My thought and prayers with his family and friends.

Brenda I am also very sorry to hear about what happended to your dog. Glad to see you checking in though.

Karl I like the new picture as well.

2012-11-13 8:50 AM
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Dirk, that was very well said.  Prayers go out to his family and friends.

I'm glad to read all this swimming talk.  I am relatively clueless about the finer details of swimming, as I really have been content to be a front MOP swimmer on next to no swim training.  I know I'm giving back some time, but I just think running is such an overwhelming weakness I spend my time and energy on that discipline to the detriment of swimming.  My plan was to do some swimming this winter, so I may try to get to the pool at least twice a week for a while.

My hockey experiment is over.   As much as I LOVE the physical nature of the game, the young guys league is just too much for this old man, and I can't retire to an old man's league quite yet!  It also puts me into social situations I just don't want to be a part of, and my tendinitis is starting to flare a bit and I know it will come on in full swing if I keep playing.  Three strikes and I'm out.  And I guess in the end I get more juice out of tri training and competing now anyway.  Life is about changes.  So my mojo is low, but I'll regain it and get back on the tri stick.

I am going for a bike fitting tomorrow at FitWerx in Peabody.  The guy who lent me his honking tri bike last summer is a fitter there, so he's hooking me up.   They have some deals on bikes so hopefully I can get the finance committee to come around.  Not going so well in that department yet!

2012-11-13 9:35 AM
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Oh Brenda.  I'm so sorry. Cry
2012-11-13 9:57 AM
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So sorry Brenda!!!

Thanks for the avatar comments.  Not much to work with on my end...lol  That was my 1st tri, thus the reason for posting it....



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Brenda, I skipped right over your post somehow.  So sorry.  Pets are such a blessing.

I like the new pic as well Karl.  Man, you guys are a fit group of triathletes!
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mambos - 2012-11-12 5:25 PM

have you guys been sneaking into my YMCA and watching me swim? This describes my major issue to the T! Most times my left arm is half way through the stroke before I am even done taking a breath! Crazy out of balance. I have been trying to correct this but can't seem to stay level in the water, as soon as I turn to breath I sink like a rock. I have tried the one armed superman drill (?) and can actually feel myself bobbing in the water as I go along. Turn to breath and drop several inches in the water, go back to looking at the bottom of the pool and back to the top I go. The left side is twice as bad as the right side, I assume this is due to just recently throwing in the left side breathing. I have also attempted the kick drills where you are supposed to just turn for a breath and that doesn't work either, anchor to the bottom. Any thoughts?

You bob up and down in the water because you are lifting part of your body out of the water.  You are neutrally buoyant when the amount of weight above the water equals the amount of lift created by your body's buoyancy underwater.  That usually works out to be a few cubic inches of our body above water...  You lift half your head up, or your shoulders, and you now have a lot more weight above the water and you sink.  Then you are all under water and begin to rise.

What you want to do is conceptually very easy.  You want to stop the bounce.  But it's easier said than done.  You must keep your head in the water with just the face exposed.  Matt, I would try the one-arm swimming the way I described, off arm down at your side the whole time.  You could still bob if you try, but it's a lot harder to do it unconsciously. 

Try something first.  Kick a lap on your back with your arms at your side.  As you do this, your head will be in the water with your face out of the water.  Close your eyes for a few seconds at a time as you do and concentrate on what it feels like.  You can feel the water against the edges of your face.  You can turn your head 45 degrees to the right, then the left, and you will be putting 1 eye in to the water on that side.  Focus on that feeling and remember it.  That's the feeling you want to recapture as you are on your front and turning for a breath.

 

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I echo everyone's sentiments about the firefighter Dirk.  Such a sad end to a brave life.  I'm sure that God had bigger plans for him, although it's difficult to see at this point.

Brenda, my heart goes out to you.  I think I already said, but my wife and I just applied to adopt a lab.  Just the idea of losing a fuzzy family member is heart breaking.  You're on the prayer list as well.

Swimming is difficult.  I will be better at offering advice as far as the swimming is concerned as I am getting back at it now myself.  I finally got in the pool again a couple times last week.  It's a struggle right now, but I'm glad I am back in the pool now instead of skipping it until the end of January like I did last year.  I'm not doing masters this fall, but will starting the spring.  It's a tough sport for sure and so technique oriented!  Right now I am working on constant flip-turns.  I don't have the lung capacity to continue it.  I breathe all of my air out and almost die on every turn.  I think I just have to get used to it.

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JeffY - 2012-11-09 11:08 AM

Jonathan, what has made you decide to quite the Wattie Ink team?

 

Sorry, completely skipped over this question Jeff.  My apologies; I didn't mean to ignore it.

I quit the team because I decided that if I was going to race for something, it was going to be a cause that benefitted people/things that would really appreciate the help.  I am going to ride more races/bike rides for a cause this year and raise money.  I liked the team in the sense that it was a great support system, but I get that from you guys already.  Racing for Wattie Ink only benefits his company.  It doesn't bring awareness to a certain cause, besides the great sport of triathlon itself.  I hope that doesn't sound negative or give the team a bad rep. because in of itself, it's a great thing.  I hope this helps.

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Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX
JeffY - 2012-11-13 11:52 AM

mambos - 2012-11-12 5:25 PM

have you guys been sneaking into my YMCA and watching me swim? This describes my major issue to the T! Most times my left arm is half way through the stroke before I am even done taking a breath! Crazy out of balance. I have been trying to correct this but can't seem to stay level in the water, as soon as I turn to breath I sink like a rock. I have tried the one armed superman drill (?) and can actually feel myself bobbing in the water as I go along. Turn to breath and drop several inches in the water, go back to looking at the bottom of the pool and back to the top I go. The left side is twice as bad as the right side, I assume this is due to just recently throwing in the left side breathing. I have also attempted the kick drills where you are supposed to just turn for a breath and that doesn't work either, anchor to the bottom. Any thoughts?

You bob up and down in the water because you are lifting part of your body out of the water.  You are neutrally buoyant when the amount of weight above the water equals the amount of lift created by your body's buoyancy underwater.  That usually works out to be a few cubic inches of our body above water...  You lift half your head up, or your shoulders, and you now have a lot more weight above the water and you sink.  Then you are all under water and begin to rise.

What you want to do is conceptually very easy.  You want to stop the bounce.  But it's easier said than done.  You must keep your head in the water with just the face exposed.  Matt, I would try the one-arm swimming the way I described, off arm down at your side the whole time.  You could still bob if you try, but it's a lot harder to do it unconsciously. 

Try something first.  Kick a lap on your back with your arms at your side.  As you do this, your head will be in the water with your face out of the water.  Close your eyes for a few seconds at a time as you do and concentrate on what it feels like.  You can feel the water against the edges of your face.  You can turn your head 45 degrees to the right, then the left, and you will be putting 1 eye in to the water on that side.  Focus on that feeling and remember it.  That's the feeling you want to recapture as you are on your front and turning for a breath.

 

Jeff that is so true. What you are saying is exactly the same problem I am having. I messed around at the pool today with this paying very close attention to what I was doing when I was breathing to the right and to left. It's as simple as you are saying I am just not keeping my head down.

It's less of a problem for me to the right because since I started swimming I have been breathing to the right so I have spent more time practicing this. I rotate better to the right and am more comfortable. Plus my head is staying in the water more often when I turn to the side and breath. I am not rushing through my stroke to stay balanced.

Now that is not the case when I breathe to the left. I can see now that my head is coming up which is causing my legs to drop. I then rush through the stroke and pull to fast because I feel like I am sinking. It's a vicious cycle. So you are absolutely correct and yes the solution is very simple but so hard to consistently put into practice. I'll be back at the pool tomorrow and will continue to work on this.

 



2012-11-13 9:43 PM
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Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX
JeffY - 2012-11-13 11:52 AM

mambos - 2012-11-12 5:25 PM

have you guys been sneaking into my YMCA and watching me swim? This describes my major issue to the T! Most times my left arm is half way through the stroke before I am even done taking a breath! Crazy out of balance. I have been trying to correct this but can't seem to stay level in the water, as soon as I turn to breath I sink like a rock. I have tried the one armed superman drill (?) and can actually feel myself bobbing in the water as I go along. Turn to breath and drop several inches in the water, go back to looking at the bottom of the pool and back to the top I go. The left side is twice as bad as the right side, I assume this is due to just recently throwing in the left side breathing. I have also attempted the kick drills where you are supposed to just turn for a breath and that doesn't work either, anchor to the bottom. Any thoughts?

You bob up and down in the water because you are lifting part of your body out of the water.  You are neutrally buoyant when the amount of weight above the water equals the amount of lift created by your body's buoyancy underwater.  That usually works out to be a few cubic inches of our body above water...  You lift half your head up, or your shoulders, and you now have a lot more weight above the water and you sink.  Then you are all under water and begin to rise.

What you want to do is conceptually very easy.  You want to stop the bounce.  But it's easier said than done.  You must keep your head in the water with just the face exposed.  Matt, I would try the one-arm swimming the way I described, off arm down at your side the whole time.  You could still bob if you try, but it's a lot harder to do it unconsciously. 

Try something first.  Kick a lap on your back with your arms at your side.  As you do this, your head will be in the water with your face out of the water.  Close your eyes for a few seconds at a time as you do and concentrate on what it feels like.  You can feel the water against the edges of your face.  You can turn your head 45 degrees to the right, then the left, and you will be putting 1 eye in to the water on that side.  Focus on that feeling and remember it.  That's the feeling you want to recapture as you are on your front and turning for a breath.

 

Well that was almost frustrating!  Attempted the one arm drill and was all over the place.  I can definitely feel myself lifting out of the water as I try to breath.  As I concentrate on what I am doing it literally feels as if I am pushing down with one arm to lift and breath.  I think this is why the one arm drill is so hard, I have been relying on the other arm for balance instead of propulsion.  I did not get a chance to try the kick drill on my back and will give that a go tomorrow to see if I can get it right.

It was easier when I didn't care how I swam and just kept touching the other end of the pool! Yell

2012-11-13 9:53 PM
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Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX

Update on my friends that were in the hit-and-run:

One of them does not need her wheelchair anymore!  Yay!  The other girl is still in her wheelchair but doing better.

2012-11-14 7:35 AM
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RunningYogini - 2012-11-13 10:53 PM

Update on my friends that were in the hit-and-run:

One of them does not need her wheelchair anymore!  Yay!  The other girl is still in her wheelchair but doing better.

Tracy thanks for updating us and this is great news. I'm happy to hear that they are both making good progress.

2012-11-14 7:37 AM
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Subject: RE: Asphalt Junkies CLOSED AND GETTING OUR FIX

So with all this swim talk I saw this article last night from the USAT weekly newsletter and it covers a lot of the stuff we have been talking about lately.

http://www.usatriathlon.org/about-multisport/multisport-zone/multisport-lab/articles/focal-points-to-supercharge-swim-part-1-111312.aspx

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