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 2007-12-11 1:13 PM in reply to: #1095406 |
TinkerBeth  23096     Liverpool, New York |  Subject: RE: Rebellious ReindeerKathyG - 2007-12-11 1:07 PM I'll bore you all with my swim workout today...46 minutes just shy of 5 out of 11 hours for month. Interesting swim.... Any suggestions on how to learn to breath better? rotate less? breath on bad side? I'm all ears..I try and try and try...frustrating. Kathy, I love hearing about your swim workouts! I know that others in the group find it helpful as well! I'm guessing Pam can come up with some good drills to help with breathing |
| 2007-12-11 1:28 PM in reply to: #1095418 |
Pro 4507 Simpsonville, SC | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer lastcall2003 - 2007-12-11 2:13 PM KathyG - 2007-12-11 1:07 PM I'll bore you all with my swim workout today...46 minutes just shy of 5 out of 11 hours for month. Interesting swim.... Any suggestions on how to learn to breath better? rotate less? breath on bad side? I'm all ears..I try and try and try...frustrating. Kathy, I love hearing about your swim workouts! I know that others in the group find it helpful as well! I'm guessing Pam can come up with some good drills to help with breathing Did I hear my name, LOL. I prefer 3 stroke breathing. I can do 5, but in a race situation, it is not comfortable. The less often you breathe, the faster you go. That is why pure swimmers practice hypoxic swim drills. While you were snorkeling, you felt the rotation of your shoulder and your hips. Try to re-create that feeling as much as possible without the snorkel. The side kick drill really works well for this. It's like you "freeze" your stroke in the side-breathing position. Practice sighting the lane line while doing this drill. Kick one 25 on your right side, then another on your left. That way your muscles are working symmetrically and you are practicing bi-lateral breathing skills. Do this with flippers if you have some that fit. You can progress to single arm drills with a kickboard held with your outstretch arm. Stroke with the free hand and practice your lane line sighting as you turn your head to breathe. Keep an ear in the water. That is the biggest mistake I see from those with trouble breathing. They lift their head instead of simply turning it. Then their hips and legs sink. If you have to pause a bit in your stroke while finding your "sweet spot" that is ok. Those are my ideas. I'm sure your coach could help as well, since she sees you swim regularly and can pinpoint any problems. Glad the swimming made your shoulder feel better. That is definitely a good sign! |
| 2007-12-11 1:40 PM in reply to: #1095473 |
TinkerBeth 23096 Liverpool, New York | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer barqhead - 2007-12-11 1:28 PM lastcall2003 - 2007-12-11 2:13 PM Did I hear my name, LOL. I prefer 3 stroke breathing. I can do 5, but in a race situation, it is not comfortable. The less often you breathe, the faster you go. That is why pure swimmers practice hypoxic swim drills. While you were snorkeling, you felt the rotation of your shoulder and your hips. Try to re-create that feeling as much as possible without the snorkel. The side kick drill really works well for this. It's like you "freeze" your stroke in the side-breathing position. Practice sighting the lane line while doing this drill. Kick one 25 on your right side, then another on your left. That way your muscles are working symmetrically and you are practicing bi-lateral breathing skills. Do this with flippers if you have some that fit. You can progress to single arm drills with a kickboard held with your outstretch arm. Stroke with the free hand and practice your lane line sighting as you turn your head to breathe. Keep an ear in the water. That is the biggest mistake I see from those with trouble breathing. They lift their head instead of simply turning it. Then their hips and legs sink. If you have to pause a bit in your stroke while finding your "sweet spot" that is ok. Those are my ideas. I'm sure your coach could help as well, since she sees you swim regularly and can pinpoint any problems. Glad the swimming made your shoulder feel better. That is definitely a good sign! KathyG - 2007-12-11 1:07 PM I'll bore you all with my swim workout today...46 minutes just shy of 5 out of 11 hours for month. Interesting swim.... Any suggestions on how to learn to breath better? rotate less? breath on bad side? I'm all ears..I try and try and try...frustrating. Kathy, I love hearing about your swim workouts! I know that others in the group find it helpful as well! I'm guessing Pam can come up with some good drills to help with breathing Great advice Pam!!!!! |
| 2007-12-11 2:09 PM in reply to: #1095418 |
Pro 4541 A farming town in MN | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer lastcall2003 - 2007-12-11 1:13 PM KathyG - 2007-12-11 1:07 PM I'll bore you all with my swim workout today...46 minutes just shy of 5 out of 11 hours for month. Interesting swim.... Any suggestions on how to learn to breath better? rotate less? breath on bad side? I'm all ears..I try and try and try...frustrating. Kathy, I love hearing about your swim workouts! I know that others in the group find it helpful as well! I'm guessing Pam can come up with some good drills to help with breathing Ditto. I tried some stuff this morning that really relaxed my breathing, because I felt more balanced. Even practiced some bi-lateral breathing. |
| 2007-12-11 3:22 PM in reply to: #1077220 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer Sparco very cool on bilateral breathing. It makes your stroke even out, but for many like me it is a bear to master. Hope you own it soon and forever I did do some as well...I do the drills Pam suggests every swim. I need to just force myself to do bilateral breathing because I think when you do it over and over your body sort of works it out. I think I am not persistent enough as it screws up my balance and I don't like that feeling. When I breath to my bad side I know I tend to cross center line with my leading arm. I need to focus on keeping leading arm wide and same wide entry when hand enters after recovery. |
| 2007-12-11 3:31 PM in reply to: #1095755 |
Pro 4507 Simpsonville, SC | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer KathyG - 2007-12-11 4:22 PM Sparco very cool on bilateral breathing. It makes your stroke even out, but for many like me it is a bear to master. Hope you own it soon and forever I did do some as well...I do the drills Pam suggests every swim. I need to just force myself to do bilateral breathing because I think when you do it over and over your body sort of works it out. I think I am not persistent enough as it screws up my balance and I don't like that feeling. When I breath to my bad side I know I tend to cross center line with my leading arm. I need to focus on keeping leading arm wide and same wide entry when hand enters after recovery. Keep practicing. Some days will be better than others. You could also try 2-3-2 breathing. Breathe right every stroke twice, then swim three strokes and breathe left every stroke twice. More chances to practice and maybe you won't feel so oxygen deprived. |
| 2007-12-11 3:38 PM in reply to: #1095797 |
TinkerBeth 23096 Liverpool, New York | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer Don't feel too discouraged about the bilateral breathing - It's been tough for me as well and I come from a swimming background I know I'm dating myself, but.................when I swam in HS.................., well let's just say that has been a technique change since then. I've made a lot of progress toward mastering it this year. (and I've really started noticeing some improvements in my swim time) The key for me has been to take it slow and easy and approach it in small chunks - this way I haven't gotten as frustrated, felt as oxygen deprived, etc. I also had some issues with muscle memory and neck/shoulder problems that resulted when I tried to change my technique all at once. I'm still only swimming 100 yds at a time with bilateral breathing, but that's a huge improvement from 25, then 50, etc - a few months ago |
| 2007-12-11 4:34 PM in reply to: #1077220 |
Master 2379 Alpharetta, GA | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer heh...your rain dear paid a visit to the NN's and left us a gift...thanks, it sure was good!! next time, this'll happen:
mmmm...fresh venison... |
| 2007-12-11 5:03 PM in reply to: #1077220 |
Champion 19812 MA | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer I've been trying to learn to bilaterally breath since early 2005...I'm a pretty slow learned. |
| 2007-12-11 5:08 PM in reply to: #1094352 |
Extreme Veteran 330 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer BunnyB - 2007-12-11 1:22 AM Welcome to the group, Renee! No swim for me today, but I have one on tap for tomorrow.  I did get in a 1 mile walk and upper body strength training. Thanks for the welcome & enjoy your swim tomorrow! I am really hoping to get one in tomorrow as well. I'm fighting a cold, but really hope to be doing better tomorrow! hoping, hoping, hoping! |
| 2007-12-11 5:10 PM in reply to: #1094376 |
Extreme Veteran 330 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer Welcome Renee!!! (did Beth recruit you? and if so, does she know where you live? I would keep swimming then... Yes she did . . . but NO she doesn’t know where I live yet . . . maybe I better keep it that way LOL! Either way, I better get swimming! Thanks for the welcome! |
| 2007-12-11 5:12 PM in reply to: #1094482 |
Extreme Veteran 330 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer KathyG - 2007-12-11 7:27 AM Hi Renee! Welcome to BT and the Reindeer swim team My parents met in NE and my Dad grew up in a small farm town in SE NE near Hastings. I'm swimming today and giving my new swim MP3 player a test ride Enjoy your swim time today Reindeer~
Thanks for the welcome! Swim MP3 player? How cool! I need to figure out if my HRM works in the water . . . I love reading about your swimming, keep it coming! Not boring at all, I will be learning whatever I can from what you post and also looking into some instruction locally . . . |
| 2007-12-11 5:14 PM in reply to: #1096048 |
Pro 4541 A farming town in MN | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer rreischl - 2007-12-11 5:08 PM BunnyB - 2007-12-11 1:22 AM Welcome to the group, Renee! No swim for me today, but I have one on tap for tomorrow. Thanks for the welcome & enjoy your swim tomorrow! I am really hoping to get one in tomorrow as well. I'm fighting a cold, but really hope to be doing better tomorrow! hoping, hoping, hoping! I did get in a 1 mile walk and upper body strength training. O.K., where's spokes? If Renee can swim sick, spokes can swim with a sinus infection...kidding... Hope you feel better Renee... |
| 2007-12-11 5:15 PM in reply to: #1095142 |
Extreme Veteran 330 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer givemashot - 2007-12-11 11:35 AM Welcome Renee! These challenges are great for keeping us going, aren't they? I know I never would've braved the cold, pre-dawn to get to the pool this morning if it weren't for this group. Go Reindeer/Rebs! The challenge really is great for that extra push (ok, I know I don't have any extra minutes logged yet, but I will haha)! It already had me to the pool once when I normally wouldn’t have gone! Unfortunately it was too crowded . . . So far when I’ve gone in AM’s it hasn’t been busy, hope it stays that way! Great job this AM! |
| 2007-12-11 5:27 PM in reply to: #1077220 |
Extreme Veteran 330 Omaha, NE | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer Sorry to hog the thread there for a minute LOL! I love all the pointers on here . . . I am very much a beginner, especially with swimming. With that said, should I work on bilateral breathing a little right from the start? I have been trying it out for a couple 25’s each session so far . . . thoughts? Or should I get instruction and work on proper form first breathing one direction. Are there any books anyone would recommend? I've seen the Total Immersion books/dvd on the internet & they seem popular? Thanks Sal . . . No mercy for spokes hmm? haha Renee |
| 2007-12-11 5:32 PM in reply to: #1096072 |
Pro 4541 A farming town in MN | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer rreischl - 2007-12-11 5:27 PM Sorry to hog the thread there for a minute LOL! I love all the pointers on here . . . I am very much a beginner, especially with swimming. With that said, should I work on bilateral breathing a little right from the start? I have been trying it out for a couple 25’s each session so far . . . thoughts? Or should I get instruction and work on proper form first breathing one direction. Are there any books anyone would recommend? I've seen the Total Immersion books/dvd on the internet & they seem popular? Thanks Sal . . . No mercy for spokes hmm? haha Renee Being a newbie swimmer, I've found TI to be very helpful. After feeling like I had decent balance, I just went with whatever breathing felt comfortable...in my case breathing strictly on my right. It got me through my 1st couple triathlons and really gave me confidence in the water. Now I've hit a barrier. I can't seem to swim my 100s in faster than 1:48s, and I think I may need to breathe bilaterally to break the barrier. This is coming from a 'newbie' swimmer, so you 'experienced' swimmers please chime in... |
| 2007-12-11 5:40 PM in reply to: #1096060 |
TinkerBeth 23096 Liverpool, New York | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer sparco - 2007-12-11 5:14 PM rreischl - 2007-12-11 5:08 PM BunnyB - 2007-12-11 1:22 AM Welcome to the group, Renee! No swim for me today, but I have one on tap for tomorrow. Thanks for the welcome & enjoy your swim tomorrow! I am really hoping to get one in tomorrow as well. I'm fighting a cold, but really hope to be doing better tomorrow! hoping, hoping, hoping! I did get in a 1 mile walk and upper body strength training. O.K., where's spokes? If Renee can swim sick, spokes can swim with a sinus infection...kidding... Hope you feel better Renee... well, he could, but he won't! |
| 2007-12-11 5:41 PM in reply to: #1096072 |
TinkerBeth 23096 Liverpool, New York | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer rreischl - 2007-12-11 5:27 PM Sorry to hog the thread there for a minute LOL! I love all the pointers on here . . . I am very much a beginner, especially with swimming. With that said, should I work on bilateral breathing a little right from the start? I have been trying it out for a couple 25’s each session so far . . . thoughts? Or should I get instruction and work on proper form first breathing one direction. Are there any books anyone would recommend? I've seen the Total Immersion books/dvd on the internet & they seem popular? Thanks Sal . . . No mercy for spokes hmm? haha Renee no worries, you fit right in! I think she needs to come visit Twisnibbens - that'll get her a star in no time! |
| 2007-12-11 5:43 PM in reply to: #1096078 |
TinkerBeth 23096 Liverpool, New York | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer sparco - 2007-12-11 5:32 PM rreischl - 2007-12-11 5:27 PM Sorry to hog the thread there for a minute LOL! I love all the pointers on here . . . I am very much a beginner, especially with swimming. With that said, should I work on bilateral breathing a little right from the start? I have been trying it out for a couple 25’s each session so far . . . thoughts? Or should I get instruction and work on proper form first breathing one direction. Are there any books anyone would recommend? I've seen the Total Immersion books/dvd on the internet & they seem popular? Thanks Sal . . . No mercy for spokes hmm? haha Renee Being a newbie swimmer, I've found TI to be very helpful. After feeling like I had decent balance, I just went with whatever breathing felt comfortable...in my case breathing strictly on my right. It got me through my 1st couple triathlons and really gave me confidence in the water. Now I've hit a barrier. I can't seem to swim my 100s in faster than 1:48s, and I think I may need to breathe bilaterally to break the barrier. This is coming from a 'newbie' swimmer, so you 'experienced' swimmers please chime in... I will say that I'v started to notice an overall increase in speed in my sets since I've been incorporating the bilateral breathing since I frequently alternate freestyle and breaststroke, I'm pretty sure it's my freestyle that's getting faster |
| 2007-12-11 5:45 PM in reply to: #1095974 |
TinkerBeth 23096 Liverpool, New York | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer LHablas - 2007-12-11 4:34 PM heh...your rain dear paid a visit to the NN's and left us a gift...thanks, it sure was good!! next time, this'll happen:
mmmm...fresh venison... Hey Noz! are you gonna take this??? |
| 2007-12-11 5:55 PM in reply to: #1096072 |
Pro 4507 Simpsonville, SC | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer rreischl - 2007-12-11 6:27 PM Sorry to hog the thread there for a minute LOL! I love all the pointers on here . . . I am very much a beginner, especially with swimming. With that said, should I work on bilateral breathing a little right from the start? I have been trying it out for a couple 25’s each session so far . . . thoughts? Or should I get instruction and work on proper form first breathing one direction. Are there any books anyone would recommend? I've seen the Total Immersion books/dvd on the internet & they seem popular? Thanks Sal . . . No mercy for spokes hmm? haha Renee Hi, Renee! Working on breathing when you can't breathe with a cold? That's makes it twice as challenging! I'm not sure about books. If there are DVD's out there, I would advise those. Anything where you can see proper form in action would be more beneficial than illustrations or descriptions. There are several good you-tube segments on swimming. I think if you search the threads under "swimming - the catch" you might be able to find the ones I'm thinking about. Those guys have beautiful form and make it look so easy! Bi-lateral breathing is not a requirement, as Sal pointed out. But it sure comes in handy in OWS if you have a lot of chop or sun glare in one direction. What is your comfort level in the water? If you are comfortable and can swim some semblance of freestyle, it would be great to get used to breathing both sides now. Even if you can only do it one 25 at a time. I would think an instructor would encourage bi-lateral breathing, especially when you say you are interested in triathlon. I know I would. |
| 2007-12-11 6:03 PM in reply to: #1077220 |
Pro 4507 Simpsonville, SC | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer |
| 2007-12-11 6:04 PM in reply to: #1096134 |
Pro 4507 Simpsonville, SC | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer barqhead - 2007-12-11 7:03 PM Here is one of the you tube links : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjaA0JhMZsM And another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZdx_WVnG_M&mode=related&search |
| 2007-12-11 6:13 PM in reply to: #1096139 |
Pro 4507 Simpsonville, SC | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer barqhead - 2007-12-11 7:04 PM barqhead - 2007-12-11 7:03 PM Here is one of the you tube links : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HjaA0JhMZsM And another: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SZdx_WVnG_M&mode=related&search Notice these guys are breathing to one side only. Breathing to their "weaker" side slows them down. So they won't do that in a race. Swim races are decided by hundredths of a second. That is rarely the case for us triathletes. The goal for us is to finish the swim going as fast as possible using the least amount of energy as possible. It is not cool for us to get on the bike and have to recover from our swim. |
| 2007-12-11 6:14 PM in reply to: #1077220 |
Pro 4507 Simpsonville, SC | Subject: RE: Rebellious Reindeer |
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